EICMA 2015 - New V7 Roamer/Bobber and MGX-21 Bagger The photos are rolling in.

[Travman]

As a replacement for the Nevada, I like it.  The tank is probably going to look worse when there is no rider on the bike, but for now I think the whole package works for that Harley 48 Sportster look. 

[Loftness]

I've been hoping to see shots of something in the 'middle' segment, ala a Griso-esque LeMans or something.  These both look "small" in size, even if the engine might be an 850, and wouldn't fit the bill for me in multiple categories.  That said, the fat tire version looks promising as something interesting.

[blackcat]

It's funny cause you would think this WOULD be my cup of tea...but I can't get past that tank.

Yeah, the tank is not great and if I wanted a Sportster, I'd buy a Sportster.

[JeffOlson]

It is not my cup of tea, either. I much prefer the look of the V7 II, and I would be gladly give up a bit of power for lighter weight and greater range.

[Penderic]

A tank shroud is a good way to change the looks quickly and cheaply ... use the same tank components and certification for more models and take advantage of the bigger volume discounts on the assembly lines. (just hope dont have to do a recall for a common defect - that could affect all of the bikes!)

I hope they have a nice retro 2 pot instrument dash on one of the models. That single white faced big instrument pod (looks like a mechanical sweep), doesnt do it for me. I wonder what the ecu and extra functions the electronics will be. Hope they get the fueling and limpback modes good enough for the first lucky buyers. And hope they make it possible for us to still modify the operating parameters of the system. 

And what kind of holy oils will be required for the bike? Special lubes are a downer if they are expensive and hard to find.

I hope they improved the proceedure for checking the oil levels too. Should be foolproof!

[tonUPRacer]

This link has more photos with a "non-fat" tire version.

http://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/moto-guzzi/2016-moto-guzzi-v7-variants-spy-photos.html/attachment/100615-spy-photo-moto-guzzi-v7-eldorrado-006

[tiger_one]

I'm in the non-fat tire group.  Now, give it some nice suspension and interesting performance.

[JeffOlson]

The one with the non-fat tire is much better, but that fuel tank is bothering me...

[jas67]

It's funny cause you would think this WOULD be my cup of tea...but I can't get past that tank.

I know some will scoff, but the tank shape was always part of my love/hate relationship with my Jackal (and arguably my Breva too).

The tank SHAPE is SO IMPORTANT to me visually (and functionally from a size and airflow perspective).

So I kinda hope along the same lines as you, but I'm wondering how they could possibly do that?

If this is basically a smallblock frame, then I know there was little clearance between the tank on my V7 and the cylinders. I can't imagine they have room for it?

Some were wondering if this tank wasn't designed to be covered with a shroud (God I hope it is, I really don't like the shape). I would think the Cali 1400 style shroud with cut-outs could mostly preserve a more "traditional" shape, closer to the V7. But of course, you would lose the range.

You'd thinking that the tilting forward and lowering of the engine in the V7II would give a little more room for a taller engine with the existing tank.

[Kev m]

You'd thinking that the tilting forward and lowering of the engine in the V7II would give a little more room for a taller engine with the existing tank.

Good point, but I'm assuming the jugs and heads and valve covers are all wider too, not just taller, no?

[Cam3512]

I'm still thinking they'll throw on the large v7 tank.

[rocker59]

I'm still thinking they'll throw on the large v7 tank.

Or. Put a version of this motor in the existing V7 Stone/Special/Racer.

[jas67]

I'm still thinking they'll throw on the large v7 tank.

I'm hoping that tank is just one they made for the test mule to throw the looks off enough so they still have the element of surprise at EICMA.

Or. Put a version of this motor in the existing V7 Stone/Special/Racer.

Oh, I hope so!

[rocker59]

The next five weeks is going to pass too slowly...

EICMA - Milan.   19 to 22 November 2015.

http://www.eicma.it/

[Cam3512]

The next five weeks is going to pass too slowly...

EICMA - Milan.   19 to 22 November 2015.

http://www.eicma.it/

Exciting times!

[zedXmick]

Or. Put a version of this motor in the existing V7 Stone/Special/Racer.

 :1:

[Unkept]

I don't know why you guys are fretting! The Nevada has been around in continous production outside of the USA... and the cruiser role smallblock is getting an update there.

The platform looks solid for multiple uses to me, like Rocker said "stick it in a Stone, Special, or Racer." Bam! What tons of people here and abroad were askign for, a V7 with about 10 more hp. (Probably)

Even though I'm personally thinking of withdrawing from the motorcycle game soon (pending a move plan to Germany), I can't help but be very excited for the upcoming show. This amount of change in a Guzzi is a once in a decade kind of thing. ;) For the smallblock, this and the V7 II transmission are the largest changes since production in the late 70's! 

-Joe

[Kev m]

I'm fretting because I'm not optimistic they've got room for more traditional tank designs and because (and this is ironic considering Beetle's recent attack on me) I'm worried they are heading down a cruiser path when this could make a competitive Racer, a neo-LeMans, a baby Stelvio.

The irony is that I've finally accepted in more a cruiser guy from an ergo and style standpoint, though I still appreciate a gorgeous design no matter what the genre.

[bpreynolds]

I'm fretting because I'm not optimistic they've got room for more traditional tank designs and because (and this is ironic considering Beetle's recent attack on me) I'm worried they are heading down a cruiser path when this could make a competitive Racer, a neo-LeMans, a baby Stelvio.

Come on, Kev.  Yr usually one of the most measured folks on this board and the last person I thought I'd be asking this, but are you into the Kool Aid?     I'm kidding.  A little.  Do you really believe Guzzi's version of a neo-Lemans or a baby Stelvio (even with 10 extra ponies - shoot let's just go ahead and say 20 extra ponies for dreaming's sake) would be "competitive?"  With a Tiger 800?  An FJ-09?  More pure sport touring bikes (neo-Lemans) are on the outs right now too.  Seems like retro standards and cruisers are what Guzzi does best.  I'm not saying they shouldn't develop other bikes but a bike like this one in the pics makes perfect sense to me from a company standpoint. 

I do understand some of what yr saying, or at least an aspect of it.  I still think the big Cali is too much "cruiser" for my tastes but that's just my opinion.  They do seem to be selling well.  I guess.

[Kev m]

You misunderstand me.

Competitiveness in the market place doesn't have to be competitive on the track.

I immediately dismiss any water-cooled bike in a performance comparison because I don't think the buyers are usually the same. But even if not it doesn't take a genius to know the air-cooled bike is going to need a significant displacement advantage to be competitive in that way.

Now when I say a baby Stelvio would be competitive, I simply mean it could attract buyers based on size and simplicity.

I think I already said the power to weight ratio of this bike COULD be in the 696/796 range. There would make the Baby S competitive with a Duc and Triumph Scramblers, but in a form that offered some wind protection and carrying capacity.

As for the Neo-LeMans it would fit in the classic category.

[bpreynolds]

You misunderstand me.

Competitiveness in the market place doesn't have to be competitive on the track.

Now when I say a baby Stelvio would be competitive, I simply mean it could attract buyers based on size and simplicity.

As for the Neo-LeMans it would fit in the classic category.

I just think the Babio (baby Stelvio) would be DOA as per sales go.  Even still, the attraction is not lost on me; I've found the V7 to mostly be a fantastic surprise and almost revelation.  I've even thought while driving it that its power response and even, oddly, its burblish exhaust note reminded me of some very fine Honda XRs I used to own when I was young. 

And if yr talking about the Neo-LeMans in a kind of Ducati Sport Classic sorta mold, sign me up. 

[Penderic]

Bunch of observations on a Utube video .....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwBzqrj8uKE

[Steph]

I just want an ABS version of that

[leafman60]

I fully expect that the new V7 engine will find its way into a variety of bikes and not just a cruiser.

I also think that, considering the current popularity of dual-sport bikes and smaller displacements, a Baby Stelvio would be a good seller for Guzzi.  Remember, everything is relative and a good seller for Guzzi would not require the selling of a huge number of bikes!

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[sib]

I don't think it's been discussed yet, but how much more power can be put into a V7 framed bike until it'll need a reaction-compensated final drive like its big brothers?  This would add extra complexity and more unsprung weight, as well as extra cost.

[rocker59]

I don't think it's been discussed yet, but how much more power can be put into a V7 framed bike until it'll need a reaction-compensated final drive like its big brothers?  This would add extra complexity and more unsprung weight, as well as extra cost.

Cal 14 doesn't have it.  Neither did any of the Tonti Californias.  Or, any Guzzis prior to those.

First reaction compensated Guzzi was Daytona and all the following spine-frame bikes.

Shaft Jacking is just something you learn to live with on shaft drive bikes with solidly mounted bevel boxes.

[fossil]

In our magazine "Motorrad" a small article with pictures showed something that seems to be an addition to the V7 II line. They say that it is only a model variant, but....

Looking at the engine it seems to be different from what we know. I found the picture online here: http://www.insella.it/news/moto-guzzi-v7-ii-2016-arrivo-una-bobber-132796 . This to me is an altered engine. Perhaps it is only all cosmetically. Let´s see!

"Motorrad" also mentioned that there will be a small cruiser.

Interesting: in 2015 there have been sold 535 V7 (Stone, Special, Racer) up to the end of August here in Germany, second was the Cali 1400 with 118 units.

[Cam3512]

Late to the party?

http://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=79195.0

[elvisboy77]

Cool bike!  Thanks for sharing!

[sib]

The ground is pretty wet on this forum from so many folks peeing in their pants waiting for some real news.  Maybe we need a betting pool to keep us occupied until then.