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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Denis on July 09, 2018, 12:15:09 PM
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" I have this motorcycle for sell."
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"I want to sale my motorcycle."
What do these things mean? I started noticing these statements a few years ago and now I see them all over the place.
The statements really are:
"I have this motorcycle for sale".
and
"I want to sell my motorcycle."
Rant over.
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" I have this motorcycle for sell."
or
"I want to sale my motorcycle."
What do these things mean?
I think that's what happens when a computer translates to english for you.... :Beating_A_Dead_Hors e_by_liviu
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Public education system. :evil:
Paul B :boozing:
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I think that's what happens when a computer translates to english for you.... :Beating_A_Dead_Hors e_by_liviu
Or it's simply that the computer recognizes the word and doesn't reject it for spelling ....
People get to depending on spell-checkers and type-aheads, just like they do on GPS and soon will on lane-holding cameras, and it all goes to pieces ... and for the same reason.
Lannis
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simple typos.
I live in that glass house. Vision issues don't help.
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I don't think they are all simple typos.
A few years back I helped out with a bake sale for my organization.
We had large, hand printed, signs all around. Each of them had "Bake Sell" written on them. I supposed at the time that this was just a regional thing; having moved to Arizona from the Midwest I've found that there are a lot of times people have no idea what I'm talking about.
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I don't think they are all simple typos.
A few years back I helped out with a bake sale for my organization.
We had large, hand printed, signs all around. Each of them had "Bake Sell" written on them. I supposed at the time that this was just a regional thing; having moved to Arizona from the Midwest I've found that there are a lot of times people have no idea what I'm talking about.
A local real estate company had quite a few metal signs made (obviously at some expense) advertising that "1 to 2 Acre Tracks" were for sale in their new housing development.
The real estate company and the sign maker probably didn't make the same "typo" .....
Lannis
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That damn auto-correct is my worst enema...
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That damn auto-correct is my worst enema...
Meh , I've seen Macooney and ebdleborck , sell and sale are no big deal . :rolleyes:
Dusty
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Like Willie and Merle said: 'It's All Going To Pot.'
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My breaks are very quite and they stop real good.
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"I have this motorcycle for sale".
and
"I want to sell my motorcycle."
Again, a no shit button would be handy next to the like button.
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That's standard English in the corner of TN/NC/GA I lived in. Not typos. People say it out loud, not just in print. So I say it has a regional context.
-AJ
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I also remember it from when I lived in the Piedmont are of SC.
-AJ
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I didn't raise them kids, you did.
Kinda like me coming to work at a shop and see a guy w/bib & gloves on wrenchin. Is he going to do dishes?
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What it means is the education system is stuffed!
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It means they are from Sand Springs.......
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(You knew it was coming.)
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I am a Cardinal fan............... :shocked:
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Being I the asphalt industry, I have my favorites...
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^^^Seems the first picture explains the second picture :rolleyes:
Dusty
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"brake" - "break"
"sale" - "sell"
"their" - "they're"
My guess is that a sizable portion of internet users either don't know the difference or they don't care which one is correct.
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"brake" - "break"
"sale" - "sell"
"their" - "they're"
My guess is that a sizable portion of internet users either don't know the difference or they don't care which one is correct.
"pour" - "pore"
"stationary" - "stationery"
"marque" - "marquee"
"complement" - "compliment"
"tract" - "track"
"its" - "it's"
"alright" - "all right"
and anytime anyone tries to sound cool, urban, and hip by changing an "s" to a "z" .....
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I want two no all so.
I thought it meant, call me, text me, e-mail me with unsolicited offers, ask me 100 questions, offer to trade for something, ask for better pictures, more details and then tell you they are just curious and not buying anything.
Last week I had a person contact me regarding a motorcycle I have for sale. After a few e-mail exchanges he solicited me to go to his web site and buy a vehicle history report. I sent him a message back that I was actually trying to get the motorcycle out of a storage unit before the next month rent was due and would give it away. He ask for an address. I gave him an address that does not exist between my house and the neighbors. A couple of hours later a car drove by the house several times both directions.
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It's not just TN/NC/GA AJ. It's the public school system & a lowering of standards across society. Ever see e-mails & texts fm mgmt & executives with lousy grammar, spelling & punctuation? After questioning several of them fm dif sources & locations & being told the same thing I stopped. "You know what it meant." Most often with a condescending or threatening tone.
I ain't perfect. Sometimes it's flustrating two. I could care less & FYI my birfday is on Valentimes day.
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It's not just TN/NC/GA AJ. It's the public school system & a lowering of standards across society. Ever see e-mails & texts fm mgmt & executives with lousy grammar, spelling & punctuation? After questioning several of them fm dif sources & locations & being told the same thing I stopped. "You know what it meant." Most often with a condescending or threatening tone.
I ain't perfect. Sometimes it's flustrating two. I could care less & FYI my birfday is on Valentimes day.
And I suppose that the language actually changes and morphs a bit as time goes on ... it can make it more efficient and easier to understand in some ways.
For example "Flustrating" is a good word that will probably replace "frustrating" and "flustered" some day, and we'll have to look in the dictionary to see where it came from .... !
Lannis
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Incorrect grammar is something up with which I shall not put !
Glenn
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Yeah.....happy it does not me make!
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My niece bought two tutus which was two too many to put in her closet .
Dusty
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On grammar,
I'm not always good at it much less spelling. But... at my work I was working via email with a guy in Germany doing his best to type in english. He did very good!! I just thought it was funny where he put the verbs. Then I remembered that many times the verb is at or near the end in german.
More on topic. I would like to SELL my bike, so I do have a bike for Sale if your interested. To twist it a bit, The bike is FOR SALE, but it is not on SALE at a discount. Full price is required.
Tom
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A motorcycle.
An awful lot of motorcycles.
And then there were no motorcycles.
A, An & And.
No one seems to use these correctly anymore.
Bill
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Teachers didn't show them spellcheck.
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Quote from: LowRyter on July 09, 2018, 08:03:49 PM (http://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=96974.msg1533143#msg1533143)I am a Cardinal fan............... :shocked:
I am a Cardinals fan, also.
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It's not just TN/NC/GA AJ. It's the public school system & a lowering of standards across society. Ever see e-mails & texts fm mgmt & executives with lousy grammar, spelling & punctuation? After questioning several of them fm dif sources & locations & being told the same thing I stopped. "You know what it meant." Most often with a condescending or threatening tone.
I ain't perfect. Sometimes it's flustrating two. I could care less & FYI my birfday is on Valentimes day.
We had a boss some time ago that issued an email regarding the latters in the central office. I don't recall the nature of the message, but the CO guys labeled every ladder with latter #1, latter #2, etc. They did this with a solder gun so it was permanent.
What really bugs me is when the people deciding on the proper pronunciation of things decides it is ok to pronounce it incorrectly on the premise that most people say it that way! I'm uncertain who "they" are. Dictionary publishers, or gubment, or ???????
Nuclear is New Clear, not New Cu Lar, but guess what, our education system says it is ok to pronounce it that way. :violent1: :violent1: :violent1:
Oh well, no doubt there are many more examples of how we have allowed the language to get botched up.
John Henry
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It means they are from Sand Springs.......
Say-and-Sprangs!
Some mighty-fine go-go gals from over there. And that's all I'm gonna say about that...
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Nuclear is New Clear, not New Cu Lar, but guess what, our education system says it is ok to pronounce it that way. :violent1: :violent1: :violent1:
Or "new-clar".
Our 39th President says "New-Cue-Lur", so I guess there is some dissent on this one.
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That's standard English in the corner of TN/NC/GA I lived in. Not typos. People say it out loud, not just in print. So I say it has a regional context.
-AJ
Y'all neverr did go fur all that fancy book learnin'...
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"alright" - "all right"
Even Joyce and Twain thought it all right to use alright. So alright is alright for me.
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I am a Cardinal fan............... :shocked:
So am I.
Very nice Cessna with good view past the leading edge from command seat.
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It's not just TN/NC/GA AJ. It's the public school system & a lowering of standards across society. Ever see e-mails & texts fm mgmt & executives with lousy grammar, spelling & punctuation? After questioning several of them fm dif sources & locations & being told the same thing I stopped. "You know what it meant." Most often with a condescending or threatening tone.
I ain't perfect. Sometimes it's flustrating two. I could care less & FYI my birfday is on Valentimes day.
So if you "could care less" does that mean you could possibly hold a level of care lower than you currently do ?
I'd have thought, if you currently hold the lowest level of care possible for you, then the statement would be..
"I COULDN'T care less"
Some things bug me, like..
"Irregardless" (a double negative) My Guzzi has a flat tyre (tire), but I'm going to ride it regardless ,
(I have no regard for the fact that the tyre is flat)
So..
If I say that I'm going to ride it irregardless, then I presumably am saying that I have no regard for the fact that, I have no regard for the fact that my tyre is flat..
So therefore I'm NOT going for a ride...!!!?
Clearly a nonsensical notion...
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What? No one has mentioned Motor Guhzee or Moto Goozee yet?
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"Highly inflammable"
"Flammable" suggests will burst into flames at the drop of a hat..
Inflammable suggests that substance will not support combustion, so..
Highly inflammable means very little chance of combustion.
That's a little concerning when I see it on an avgas bowser..!
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Often heard also is when someone says they bought a house from a Re LA tor - instead of a REAL TOR...even real estate agents make the same mistake.
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The latest bug in my ass is Fentanyl being pronounced Fentanol.
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Dangerou skee pa way .
One question , is there going to be a test ?
One observation . Some of the smartest people can't spell and sometimes confuse sell/sale , there/their/they're , and try reading Chaucer in the original text . He would spell the same word three different ways in a couple of pages .
Dusty
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"Highly inflammable"
"Flammable" suggests will burst into flames at the drop of a hat..
Inflammable suggests that substance will not support combustion, so..
Highly inflammable means very little chance of combustion.
That's a little concerning when I see it on an avgas bowser..!
I agree!!
Also: Nuk le er reaction.
IMHO,
Tom
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I've notice the sell-sale confusion. In the south, the accent can make these two words sound very similar, so it wouldn't be hard to get them mixed up.
My southern mother-in-law insists that "pen" and "pin" should be pronounced exactly the same.
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I've notice the sell-sale confusion. In the south, the accent can make these two words sound very similar, so it wouldn't be hard to get them mixed up.
My southern mother-in-law insists that "pen" and "pin" should be pronounced exactly the same.
So how do you pronounce those two words Jim ? :huh:
Dusty
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Which two?
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Which two?
The two your MIL thinks should be pronounced the same . Yeah , I know short E short I , pehn , pin , but I've never actually heard anyone but a Brit say "pehn" .
Dusty
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Sit and set can be used interchangeably in some Southern dialects. American English isn't one thing.
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Yeah.....happy it does not me make!
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Several times I've seen motorcycle "helments" for sale also.
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Actually, flammable and inflammable are the same. If it won't burn, it's non flammable.
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The two your MIL thinks should be pronounced the same . Yeah , I know short E short I , pehn , pin , but I've never actually heard anyone but a Brit say "pehn" .
Where I grew up, in the DC area, the difference was clear between the short e and short i. Same for anywhere I've been in the northeast and Canada. My friends in New Mexico as well, as I'm pretty sure Californians do. I had the impression that it was only the areas that make them into two syllable words that sometimes confuse the sounds. Something close to "pee-in" for both. Even here in NC, I would say the majority of people say the two words differently, but now you'll have me listening. :)
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Or "new-clar".
Our 39th President says "New-Cue-Lur", so I guess there is some dissent on this one.
Yes, scary isn't it! The people leading our country can't even use or pronounce words correctly, and he isn't the only one either.
I'm by no means a master of the English language, but I try.
John Henry
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Some mispronunciations or alternate pronunciations are either regional variations or due to difficulty some of us experience forming certain sounds . IE , for MID able VS FOR mid able , I have a hard time pronouncing the word the American way so I say it the way the Brits do , accent on the second syllable , and while nuclear isn't problematic for me , it might be that some folks simply have a hard time forming the sounds required in saying nuclear . My ex-wife had a vocabulary in the 50,000 word range and has written extensively, but being from SW Oklahoma and NW Texas there were some words she pronounced in a somewhat unique way. She knew their definition , and could almost invariably give the etymology of any word she used , but she had a different way of pronouncing etymology that I can't duplicate. David W, one of our core Guzzi family members says the word Guzzi in a way that is unique because he has a Northern Louisiana accent , that is simply the only way he can say the word .
I am curious , do any of you who have never met me think you have a clue how I might sound in person? Do I sound like a country boy from Oklahoma ,or a city boy ? Just because I can spell and employ a large number of words and usually know their definition , is there any chance I sound like a complete Rube in person? Or might I sound like a professor of rhetoric ?
Dusty
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In the South it isn't pin or pen, it's pin or ink pen, no one says pen, always ink pen. That's how they avoid confusion.
-AJ
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I am curious , do any of you who have never met me think you have a clue how I might sound in person ? Do I sound like a country boy from Oklahoma ,or a city boy ? Just because I can spell and employ a large number of words and usually know their definition , is there any chance I sound like a complete Rube in person ? Or might I sound like a professor of rhetoric ?
In asking that question , why does this gentleman come to mind?
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:evil:Paul B :boozing:
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The wheels on the bus go round and round.............
Look over their. There standing by the bus................ ........ :evil:
:popcorn: :boozing:
John Henry
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See what you did Denis? :grin:
I hope you're feeling better now. :boozing:
John Henry
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In the South it isn't pin or pen, it's pin or ink pen, no one says pen, always ink pen. That's how they avoid confusion.
-AJ
Yep.
Stick pin
Straight pin
Ink pen
Hardly anyone down around here uses pin or pen alone in a sentence.
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It means some people cannot stand grammatical and spelling errors.
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Do any of you guys who don't live in the Northern plains states know what the terms "cooley" or "carpass" are describing ?
Dusty
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Cooley as in indentured labor? With several different spellings, but either Hindi or Chinese labor...a pretty offensive term...
Carpass sounds like one of the EZPasses or Electronic tags used to drive on a toll road...
Another common mistake: A person who sells REAL ESTATE...often referred to as a RELA TOR...no idea why people invert the letters, but it's a very common error, even by some Real estate agents themselves.
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I would guess that a cooley is a cold beverage.
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Carpass:
The piece of the carp you throw away. :grin:
John Henry
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Cooley as in indentured labor? With several different spellings, but either Hindi or Chinese labor...a pretty offensive term...
Carpass sounds like one of the EZPasses or Electronic tags used to drive on a toll road...
Another common mistake: A person who sells REAL ESTATE...often referred to as a RELA TOR...no idea why people invert the letters, but it's a very common error, even by some Real estate agents themselves.
Nope , notice the spelling difference ? Also no to the second guess . Dude , you lived in Wisconsin, you never ventured West into the land of Uffda ?
Dusty
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Never heard either of those terms in "Skansin" either and yes, I noticed the Y on the end, but included the comment of multiple spellings possible.
Uffda...give me a double brat once with da works, ya hey? and start with me last if you would... :)
West as in Minnesoooooooowwwww wwta, or Eau Claire/LaCross area?
:) :grin: :grin:
Carpass...hhmm...ma ybe a Compass then perhaps? Cooley...I'm guessing a cold Coors light with 1.2% alcohol level...
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Dang Paul , I really thought you might know those terms :laugh:
OK , since even our resident travelers can't guess , a "cooley" is what we would call a gully , often times with a fresh spring flowing in it .
Now , for the carpass thingie , think about that foe few moments . Hint , Car Pass , cattle country .
Dusty
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Oh I see OK , since even our resident travelers can't guess , a "cooley" is what we would call a gully , often times with a fresh spring flowing in it .
You mean a like a crick.
Paul B :boozing:
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Dang Paul , I really thought you might know those terms :laugh:
OK , since even our resident travelers can't guess , a "cooley" is what we would call a gully , often times with a fresh spring flowing in it .
Dusty
That's right. Spelling is coulee. e.g. Spring Coulee in southern Alberta. https://goo.gl/maps/1f71EjuwETL2 I like looking on line at Helmuts for sale.
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That's right. Spelling is coulee. e.g. Spring Coulee in southern Alberta. https://goo.gl/maps/1f71EjuwETL2 I like looking on line at Helmuts for sale.
Thanks , I misspelled coulee , but you are correct .
Dusty
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Thanks , I misspelled coulee , but you are correct .
Dusty
Sounds like deliberate obfuscation to throw us off the scent! :grin: :grin:
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Sounds like deliberate obfuscation to throw us off the scent! :grin: :grin:
Obviously you overestimate my intelligence :rolleyes:
Now , what is a Car Pass ?
Dusty
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Yep.
Stick pin
Straight pin
Ink pen
Hardly anyone down around here uses pin or pen alone in a sentence.
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Yea and regardless to what my Jersey wife says, all three are pronounced the same way!!!😂
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Car pass - gate to get into a ranch by car?
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Car pass - gate to get into a ranch by car?
Close .
Dusty
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Close
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^^^One picture is worth a thousand words :bow:
Dusty
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Isn't there supposed to be a coulee running underneath that car pass? Looks like a cow grate to me, so car pass sounds like a misnomer.
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I grew up calling those crossings "cattle guards." Likewise I grew up calling the vast volcanic ravines that you see in Washington "Coulees" (as in Grand Coulee Dam), but never anything smaller. But, there are regional differences where you wouldn't expect them and they reflect what's there (not being many vast volcanic ravines in Oklahoma).
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Isn't there supposed to be a coulee running underneath that car pass? Looks like a cow grate to me, so car pass sounds like a misnomer.
:grin: :grin:
How does one go about grating a cow ? :huh:
Dang Paul , we need to get you to NoDak , they have all kinds of colorful descriptive words for everyday things . Likely because similar to parts of Appalachia the old terms and words have hung on long after the rest of us have become homogenized . Asking for directions in NW NoDak can be interesting .
"Well , ya go down to da cottonwood tree down dere by ol' Svens place , ya know , ol' Sven , da guy wit da old Gleaner combine in his front yard . Then ya take a left right after da first car pass , da one right near da bi coulee dat runs right 'cross da road when da big rains come floodin' out ol' Gunter's place , Don't know why ol' Gunter keeps ah farmin' dat land , it only makes about 35 bushels in da best years..." :laugh:
North Dakotans , best people anywhere :bow:
Dusty
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^^^One picture is worth a thousand words :bow:
Dusty
Boy those cows have an impressive vocabulary!! Moo, moo moo, moo moo mooooooooo!!
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How does one go about grating a cow ? :huh:
Dang Paul , we need to get you to NoDak , they have all kinds of colorful descriptive words for everyday things . Likely because similar to parts of Appalachia the old terms and words have hung on long after the rest of us have become homogenized . Asking for directions in NW NoDak can be interesting .
"Well , ya go down to da cottonwood tree down dere by ol' Svens place , ya know , ol' Sven , da guy wit da old Gleaner combine in his front yard . Then ya take a left right after da first car pass , da one right near da bi coulee dat runs right 'cross da road when da big rains come floodin' out ol' Gunter's place , Don't know why ol' Gunter keeps ah farmin' dat land , it only makes about 35 bushels in da best years..." :laugh:
North Dakotans , best people anywhere :bow:
Dusty
This is actually an interesting speech phenomenon...with many Swedish and German immigrants...the Der Die or Das from German meaning "The" (masculine, feminine or neuter version depending on the noun) or the "De" from Swedish also meaning "The", could easily have been converted over the years to "da"...and many speech patterns as well follow some of the original German grammar, almost literally translated into English.
Languages are fascinating, and many interesting patterns to compare.
Cattle guard = cow grate...makes perfect sense too (no reference to Parmiggiano/Parmesan cheese activity)...other than the cows make the milk... :grin: :grin:
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Anyone want to take a guess what the Cherokee word Eankke evolved into ?
Dusty
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Anyone want to take a guess what the Cherokee word Eankke evolved into ?
Dusty
Oklahoma? Okay? You're putting out stumpers today Dusty.
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Oklahoma? Okay? You're putting out stumpers today Dusty.
Oh no , way before anyone knew about anything West of PA . This one should be easy , I can give a couple of much harder examples if you want :laugh:
Dusty
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How does one go about grating a cow ? :huh:
Freeze it first, then grate it. Might want a powered grater though. :laugh:
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Anyone want to take a guess what the Cherokee word Eankke evolved into ?
Dusty
Yankee
-AJ
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Yankee
-AJ
Correct sir :thumb:
Dusty
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Correct sir
Hmmm. If a British officer says it came from a Cherokee word for "coward", I'm inclined to be suspicious of that British officer's motives (or his knowledge of the language--whether Cherokee or English), and would look back much further in time. Now, if this same British officer claimed it meant "brave and true" (in any language) I'd be inclined to give him some slack...
This is a well-researched word.
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Hmmm. If a British officer says it came from a Cherokee word for "coward", I'm inclined to be suspicious of that British officer's motives (or his knowledge of the language--whether Cherokee or English), and would look back much further in time. Now, if this same British officer claimed it meant "brave and true" (in any language) I'd be inclined to give him some slack...
This is a well-researched word.
Probably true Daniel , but the modern day Cherokees still believe the word came from Eankke , and the words are pronounced much the same .
Dusty
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Hmmm. If a British officer says it came from a Cherokee word for "coward", I'm inclined to be suspicious of that British officer's motives (or his knowledge of the language--whether Cherokee or English), and would look back much further in time. Now, if this same British officer claimed it meant "brave and true" (in any language) I'd be inclined to give him some slack...
This is a well-researched word.
A good example of a "folk etymology", like people claiming that the bird "nuthatch" was named that because it would try to hatch acorns in its nest.
Not true, but it makes a good story, so if enough people "believe" it's true, that makes it true in some people's minds.
You can have good fun with it though ...
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Lannis
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Yankee
-AJ
"Yankee" is the Anglicized Dutch word "Janke" (John). British colonists originally used it as a term for Dutch colonists. Then it came to be applied by British to all American colonists.
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"Yankee" is the Anglicized Dutch word "Janke" (John). British colonists originally used it as a term for Dutch colonists. Then it came to be applied by British to all American colonists.
Actually the origins of the term are lost to history , I've read the Dutch thing , it really doesn't have anymore validity than the Cherokee origins . The first written usage of the word was by a British General in 1775 . So who really knows .
Dusty
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Actually the origins of the term are lost to history , I've read the Dutch thing , it really doesn't have anymore validity than the Cherokee origins . The first written usage of the word was by a British General in 1775 . So who really knows .
Dusty
Dusty,
Not to argue, but the term "Yankee" dates to the 1680s, a hundred years before the British soldier made up the Cherokee connection. In the 1780s, Cherokee didn't have that word in their vocabulary.
Yankee (n.)
1683, a name applied disparagingly by Dutch settlers in New Amsterdam (New York) to English colonists in neighboring Connecticut. It may be from Dutch Janke, literally "Little John," diminutive of common personal name Jan; or it may be from Jan Kes familiar form of "John Cornelius," or perhaps an alteration of Jan Kees, dialectal variant of Jan Kaas, literally "John Cheese," the generic nickname the Flemings used for Dutchmen.
https://www.etymonline.com/word/Yankee
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Dusty,
Not to argue, but the term "Yankee" dates to the 1680s, a hundred years before the British soldier made up the Cherokee connection. In the 1780s, Cherokee didn't have that word in their vocabulary.
Yankee (n.)
1683, a name applied disparagingly by Dutch settlers in New Amsterdam (New York) to English colonists in neighboring Connecticut. It may be from Dutch Janke, literally "Little John," diminutive of common personal name Jan; or it may be from Jan Kes familiar form of "John Cornelius," or perhaps an alteration of Jan Kees, dialectal variant of Jan Kaas, literally "John Cheese," the generic nickname the Flemings used for Dutchmen.
https://www.etymonline.com/word/Yankee
That's interesting , had never read that before , although how anyone would know when the Cherokees started using the word Eankke might be hard to determine .
And no , we aren't arguing Brother Mike , just exploring :thumb:
Dusty