gtmotocycles GTM01 1400 CC Tonti merged threadfest .

[Luap McKeever]

If I guy were 50 years old and had been claiming for some years (10 years or more) that hes ridden over a million miles on a motorcycle, youd think he would imagine people doing the math...

If you were to ride every day from your 16th birthday to your 45th birthday, youd need to average 100 miles per day, and keep up that 100 mile/day average over the entire 29 year period to reach a million miles.  Skip a day and the next day needs to be 200 miles. Judge the validity of that claim and in my direct experience youll have a fair metric to assess what else comes from the same mouth.

Our calculators have the same results . I wondered that too but since I flunked law school and am stuck working on stupid computers for a living, I'm in no position to judge.

I personally know some million mile riders. Some that immediately come to mind are Karl Werth and Ken Hand. Neither of those fellas are in their 40's. Heck, I thought I was doing good having 250K motorcyle (210K or so exclusively Guzzi) miles at 48.  I'm still just a grasshopper I guess.

[oldbike54]

 Yeah , a million miles is , er , well a tremendous number of miles . I have maybe half that and have been riding for 50 years , and half of that mileage was done in my 40's and 50's when 20K miles a year was normal . Karl and Ken are much older than Todd and both made some really long trips on a regular basis .

 Dusty

[pete roper]

Does it matter? It's all hype and hyperbole.

[LBC Tenni]

That's a lot of assumptions... just sayin'.

Assumptions? Like assuming you know more about life in Southern California than someone who lives here? I wouldn’t presume to tell you about life in your neck of the woods, because I don’t live there. Some stereotypes are based in reality and the stereotypes I’m referencing are very much a part of reality in Southern California. Good for Todd if he can make a fortune selling this stuff to rich people who are happy with it. But I have witnessed his overpriced fueling remedies myself and that is all I need to know. His farkles and bolt-ons are great, but until he hires someone who really understands how modern engines work, he’s also selling high priced snake oil, which isn’t cool in my book.

[Turin]

I doubt he'll make a fortune, guzzisti are notoriously cheap. If he builds ten I'd call it a success.

No matter the final weight and HP, I bet it'll be fun.

I still wonder if that is an imported bellagio frame.

[LBC Tenni]

I doubt he'll make a fortune, guzzisti are notoriously cheap. If he builds ten I'd call it a success.

I don’t think Guzzisti are his target market. He did hire a good photographer. Time will tell.

[Unkept]

I still wonder if that is an imported bellagio frame.

No, it isn't. There are pictures of the welding together of the frame, the jig they made, etc. on their Facebook and no doubt their forum.

It's not my cup of tea, but if it makes someone happy that's great.

I'm too concerned with other things for the GT drama. :) I think there are definitely issues with the way they have presented themselves, and I don't visit their forum, but I'm still a sucker for all things Guzzi so it's interesting to follow.

[blackcat]

^^^ This.
Celebritards and trust fund brats are the target market. The sort who won�t know or care if it runs like crap. The longest ride they�ll ever do is to the Rock Store. Most probably won�t even go that far. He�ll probably sell quite a few.

Celebrities and trust funders don't want to ride around on clapped out T's,T-3's etc. with 1-1/2" copper sweat pipes for exhaust? Shocking. 

Personally, I hope that Todd sell's a shyte load of them to the highest bidders.

[bad Chad]

To bad the hoyte toyte who can peel off 45k at a whim, didn't get into Motus.

[Kristian]

That thing is total rubbish built from hyperbole. Foolish to take a perfectly good bike and severely reduce its usefulness and durability, and nuts to then sell it to folks. Perhaps even crazier to buy one.

[Kiwi Dave]

That thing is total rubbish built from hyperbole. Foolish to take a perfectly good bike and severely reduce its usefulness and durability, and nuts to then sell it to folks. Perhaps even crazier to buy one.

Then don't buy it.  I wouldn't either, the style is not me.  But others might, (or not).  Who really cares?

[Warren Rhen]

WOW!
https://www.gtmotocycles.com/specifications/

jAY, wHY ISN'T THAT HOME IN YOUR GARAGE YET??

[Chuck in Indiana]

I only post this because it came up. If someone tells you he has climbed mt. Everest,  he may have just done so.

That's a good point, Mike.. I've heard, "I only have an hour and 45 minute commute" (!) or more from people I know in SoCal. Not my cuppa.. but many think it's normal. For sure a guy I know in Sandy Eggo thinks nothing of a 500 mile day. 

[oldbike54]

 True , 25K miles a year for 40 years adds up to a million miles , still , I haven't met many legit million milers .

 I did climb to the top of a fairly high hill in the Gloss mountains out by Woodward OK about ten years ago , but there were stairs , don't really think that counts for much  It was very windy , does that impress anyone ?

 Dusty

[oldbike54]

The # of people that ride motos as a % of the population is tiny and out of that there are fewer still that ride long distance so not surprised you haven't met many...oh wait I know of one for sure!

Like I said...Doable if your can cut it.


Very impressed w/your climbing skills...I think.




:-)

 Don't be , there was a woman of about 80 accompanied by what was probably a great grand daughter who passed me going up , and going down . I tried to act like I wasn't in a hurry 

 Dusty

[Antietam Classic Cycle]

True , 25K miles a year for 40 years adds up to a million miles , still , I haven't met many legit million milers .

 I did climb to the top of a fairly high hill in the Gloss mountains out by Woodward OK about ten years ago , but there were stairs , don't really think that counts for much  It was very windy , does that impress anyone ?

 Dusty

I know two: Blaine Paulus (1.3 million documented) and Joe Gilmore (1.6 million documented).

[TN Mark]

That thing is total rubbish built from hyperbole. Foolish to take a perfectly good bike and severely reduce its usefulness and durability, and nuts to then sell it to folks. Perhaps even crazier to buy one.

Have you seen any other �custom� motorcycles? The high dollar ones, the Dirtbag Challenge bike�s, the Smokeout Rally bike�s etc. if you can�t see the workmanship and the design that went into this bike, you�re likely choosing not to. Whether or not you want one or even like it isn�t the point.

So please post links to the products and services you�ve developed and offered for sale. Not links to your opinions but to actual products and services developed by you from your own ideas.

Most assuredly Todd isn�t marketing this bike to the average Wildguzzi forum member.

[oldbike54]

 Might be time to put this one out to pasture folks .

 Dusty

[Toecutter]

Might be time to put this one out to pasture folks .

 Dusty

Gee... if only someone had seen it coming.

[oldbike54]

Gee... if only someone had seen it coming.

 Oh I knew it would come to a bad end , sometimes letting something play out makes a point better than just shutting it down .

 Dusty

[Kiwi Dave]

Might be time to put this one out to pasture folks .

 Dusty

Amen!

[Strada]

I quite like the GT Motocycles GTMO1 bike.
I wouldn't mind owning that bike at all.

The first MG to catch my eye was the Griso, and a Griso 1100 was my first Moto Guzzi.
I loved that bike!
It had it's shortcomings ~ enough that I eventually decided to sell it, but I loved it.

GTM01 looks like it has addressed all of the shortcoming of the Griso and more.
I think I would really enjoy that bike.

[TN Mark]

http://radicalguzzi.com/home

These guys are claiming 180 Hp and 200 Nm of torque from their 1700cc Guzzi. As the old racers say, there's no replacement for displacement.

[oldbike54]

http://radicalguzzi.com/home

These guys are claiming 180 Hp and 200 Nm of torque from their 1700cc Guzzi. As the old racers say, there's no replacement for displacement.

 Yeah , except an f1 engine makes twice the specific output of a big old NASCAR V8 .

 Dusty

[Turin]

He did qualify "the old racers" .

I was truly amazed when I found out how fast a European car with a "little" 3 liter engine could be.

[oldbike54]

He did qualify "the old racers" .

I was truly amazed when I found out how fast a European car with a "little" 3 liter engine could be.

 The old 1.5 liter f1 cars from the early 60's were freaky . There was an f2 Cooper from the same era at the AHRMA national in Park City , they were 1 liter cars (I think) and weighed about 700 LBS , that thing just howled around the track .

 Dusty

[pete roper]

http://radicalguzzi.com/home

These guys are claiming 180 Hp and 200 Nm of torque from their 1700cc Guzzi. As the old racers say, there's no replacement for displacement.

Mark, there are so many reasons, not only due to the actual efficiency of the motor, that those figures are impossible, but well, y'know, carry on.....

[JohninVT]

Mark, there are so many reasons, not only due to the actual efficiency of the motor, that those figures are impossible, but well, y'know, carry on.....

I think the guy reading the dyno had dyslexia so the numbers and decimal points were juxtaposed. 

[lti_57]

IN before the lock

 

[TN Mark]

With the same engine and transmission, what�s the HP penalty between a chain drive, belt drive and shaft drive? Is it in the neighborhood of 12%, 10% and 18% respectively?

I�ve seen several 4 valve high revving v-twins double and even triple their stock figures. So what�s makes the 1400 so limiting and incapable of doing the same? Especially with the ability to add capacity and alter things like intake, exhaust, timing, cams, valve sizes, throttle bodies, fueling and combustion chamber dynamics etc etc etc.

The end HP and Trq figures are likely much more dependent on a persons money supply than it is on the design of the Guzzi 1400. At least that�s how it works with other v-twin mc engines. So, again, why wouldn�t what is being and has been done with other high revving engines not work with the Guzzi engine?