stornello first oil change??

[Warren Rhen]

So the book says first change 900 miles. I drained the oil and changed the filter and installed 2000cc new oil but the level on the dipstick is much higher than the manual shows. Whats with that

[Ncdan]

I don't own one but I'd say from past experience that if you have confirmed the amount is correct, to simply mark the stick by maybe cutting a notch with a file and use that location on the stick for your guide. Just confirmed the amount from your dealer or service manual or both. I don't see how you can go wrong with that.

[Xlratr]

So the book says first change 900 miles. I drained the oil and changed the filter and installed 2000cc new oil but the level on the dipstick is much higher than the manual shows. Whats with that

Is this before or after running the engine? I don't know the small block, but I assume 2L is the specified oil capacity. So did you use some of it to fill the filter before installation?


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[Howard R]

If you checked before starting the engine, it will take some oil (and some time) to fill the filter, you can't pre-fill a filter before installation on the small blocks.  Do they still have two drain plugs, one on the back of the sump in the "usual" place and another on the front of the sump?  Maybe you didn't get all the old stuff drained out?

If you can verify that everything is as it should be and the level is still too high, NCDan has your answer, stick is not marked right.  Easy to correct that.

Just a few ideas, good luck figuring it out.

Howard

[lucian]

Check your manual to see if the dipstick should be screwed in or just resting on the threads when checking.

[chuck peterson]

Or side stand vs center stand...I have my smallblock half way tween marks, warm, not threaded, center-stand ....seems to keep the oil from venturing into air boxes, nooks and crannies...at 6k it sips 150mls every 800 miles, but trending toward less...even tho I flog it into the yellow....dang motor feels a humming Swiss watch at 6.5k rpm

And yeah those two drain plugs can get you

[JJ]

So the book says first change 900 miles. I drained the oil and changed the filter and installed 2000cc new oil but the level on the dipstick is much higher than the manual shows. Whats with that

Hi Warren - How do you like your Stornello in general? 

Do you ever take it (gently...) on dirt roads or off road?

What are the pros and cons, in your opinion, of this model Guzzi.  Thanks in advance.

JJ Cerilli

[Warren Rhen]

If you checked before starting the engine, it will take some oil (and some time) to fill the filter, you can't pre-fill a filter before installation on the small blocks.  Do they still have two drain plugs, one on the back of the sump in the "usual" place and another on the front of the sump?  Maybe you didn't get all the old stuff drained out?
Howard

Two plugs? who'da thunk. I missed that and I looked in the manual and sure enough it's there. Thanks all, I'll fix that

[Warren Rhen]

Hi Warren - How do you like your Stornello in general? 

Do you ever take it (gently...) on dirt roads or off road?

What are the pros and cons, in your opinion, of this model Guzzi.  Thanks in advance.

JJ Cerilli

I love it. I got rid of a Ducati Scrambler FT and got this and it was a great move, at least for me. I just feel so much more at home on this than the Duc. I did change to  Icon shocks. I rarely take it on dirt and I'm not a good dirt rider so I couldn't give an opinion on whether it's good or bad on dirt. I do know that as soon as I wear these tires out I'll replace them w/Pirelli Demons. The exhaust has just the right tone, the engine runs perfect as long as you let it warm up for a minute or two, the seat is very comfortable. I put 200+ miles on the other day and had no aches or pains at all. I've had about 100 bikes and my favorite was a 93 Duc 750SS 20+ years ago and this Stornello reminds me a lot of it. Hope this helps

[JJ]

I love it. I got rid of a Ducati Scrambler FT and got this and it was a great move, at least for me. I just feel so much more at home on this than the Duc. I did change to  Icon shocks. I rarely take it on dirt and I'm not a good dirt rider so I couldn't give an opinion on whether it's good or bad on dirt. I do know that as soon as I wear these tires out I'll replace them w/Pirelli Demons. The exhaust has just the right tone, the engine runs perfect as long as you let it warm up for a minute or two, the seat is very comfortable. I put 200+ miles on the other day and had no aches or pains at all. I've had about 100 bikes and my favorite was a 93 Duc 750SS 20+ years ago and this Stornello reminds me a lot of it. Hope this helps

Hi Warren, it does and thanks for your commentary / feedback! :1:

[Muzz]

Two plugs? who'da thunk. I missed that and I looked in the manual and sure enough it's there. Thanks all, I'll fix that

You wouldn't be the first one Warren.

[sign216]

You wouldn't be the first one Warren.

Ha ha!  I happen to be wearing my Mr. Nevada t-shirt today.  He's a hapless fellow that ... what did he do?  I think he drained the transmission instead of the oil, and put oil in the dipstick hole until it overflowed.  He complained that he never had that problem with his Honda.

[jpv7]

My V7ii was full after adding 1.8L

[redhawk47]

I have heard that for Stelvios and other Guzzis that the proper oil level is half way between the full and low marks. If you put more in the engine will get rid of it.

[sign216]

I have heard that for Stelvios and other Guzzis that the proper oil level is half way between the full and low marks. If you put more in the engine will get rid of it.

Yep, that's my experience.  It's like a tumbler of brandy; halfway is full enough.

[sib]

Two plugs? who'da thunk. I missed that and I looked in the manual and sure enough it's there. Thanks all, I'll fix that

As long as you're carefully re-reading the manual, note that the first oil change was supposed to be at ~600 mi (1000 km), not 900 mi.

[sign216]

Two plugs? who'da thunk. I missed that and I looked in the manual and sure enough it's there. Thanks all, I'll fix that

And be careful with the rear plug.  It's a small diameter bolt, with an overly large head, so you end up over-torquing it with your large wrench and stripping out the soft aluminum pan it goes into. 

Make it snug, but not strong-arm tight.

And yes, my torque wrench has those exact settings.

Sort of.

[waxi]

Yep, that's my experience.  It's like a tumbler of brandy; halfway is full enough.

Here we go again...

Right, now where is that exactly? I have my new V7 more than a year and still don't know about this oil level. I put 2L in, and I have oil in airbox and way above maximum on dip stick. I put 0,5L into gearbox and it puked it right through the breather. Apparently only in shaft you can't mess it up.

I wish Guzzi would have some German mentality/precision.

[sign216]

2 liters is too much.  Shoot for 1/2 on the dipstick.  Maybe start with 1.5 liter.  Its a balance between too little and too much. 
Kind of like touching a woman.  A balance where half way is best.

[Muzz]

Here we go again...

Right, now where is that exactly? I have my new V7 more than a year and still don't know about this oil level. I put 2L in, and I have oil in airbox and way above maximum on dip stick. I put 0,5L into gearbox and it puked it right through the breather. Apparently only in shaft you can't mess it up.

I wish Guzzi would have some German mentality/precision.

Waxi, sometime Guzzi changed from measuring with the dipstick unscrewed (as on the Breva), to the dipstick screwed in. not sure when that happened.

When I did my first drain I measured exactly 1.8 lits (as specified for the 2TB's) ran it until hot, then checked the level. As mine was spot on on the dipstick and it has never puked oil, I was good to go. I gather not all have had this happy experience...

[waxi]

Waxi, sometime Guzzi changed from measuring with the dipstick unscrewed (as on the Breva), to the dipstick screwed in. not sure when that happened.

When I did my first drain I measured exactly 1.8 lits (as specified for the 2TB's) ran it until hot, then checked the level. As mine was spot on on the dipstick and it has never puked oil, I was good to go. I gather not all have had this happy experience...

Yeah, I know that. I measure unscrewed. As much as I like Guzzi, I also hate their negligence and carelessness. I don't know how can they afford it.

• Why is there inconsistency between actual capacity in engine and what is listed in documentation? As a customer I get confused: which is now correct? Should I add as stated in documentation and have level well above maximum, or should I go by dipstick and potentially risk oil shortage?
• You can't check oil level in gearbox. You add it as much as papers say. Then it puked.
• If they messed something up, why the hell is this still going on with 2016 models?
• My niece, who is 5 years old would design better, unambiguous dipstick!
• If we need to debate about something as simple as oil change, maybe there are errors also elsewhere. For example... should I believe valve clearances are correct in service manual? Or torques?