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Offline SmithSwede

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What keeps Guzzi pushrods straight?
« on: January 17, 2017, 02:56:12 PM »
I really need to take apart a small block and figure this stuff out.

What constrains the movement of the pushrods?  What keeps them from flopping around laterally?   Is there some sliding bearing somewhere is the push rod tube to ensure that the rod just moves straight up and down as it follows the cam contour?
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Re: What keeps Guzzi pushrods straight?
« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2017, 03:07:22 PM »
 Well , we could take your V7 apart at CV and show you  :shocked: :laugh:

 Really , the push rods aren't flopping around on the cam , but on the followers  :laugh:

 Bud , are you bored today ? :grin:

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Re: What keeps Guzzi pushrods straight?
« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2017, 03:26:01 PM »
 Uh , whatever Kirby said  :huh:

 Prescott , there is a cup on the rocker end of the pushrod that runs in a ball on the rocker , the cam end has a ball that runs in a machined cup on the cam follower . If you have ever removed an airhead pushrod and heard the pop as it disengaged from the follower this would all make sense . Guzzi pushrods do the same thing .

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Re: What keeps Guzzi pushrods straight?
« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2017, 03:57:49 PM »
Thanks, that makes sense.  I've seen the little cups, but wasn't sure if that was all there was.

I'm not bored today, just extra special curious.
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Re: What keeps Guzzi pushrods straight?
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Re: What keeps Guzzi pushrods straight?
« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2017, 04:11:25 PM »
Internal case pressure.    EVERYBODY knows that.   :whip2:

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Re: What keeps Guzzi pushrods straight?
« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2017, 04:25:39 PM »
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Re: What keeps Guzzi pushrods straight?
« Reply #6 on: January 17, 2017, 04:35:24 PM »
MUCH better thn mine!   :bow:

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Re: What keeps Guzzi pushrods straight?
« Reply #7 on: January 17, 2017, 06:20:22 PM »
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Re: What keeps Guzzi pushrods straight?
« Reply #8 on: January 17, 2017, 08:14:06 PM »
Compression stronger than tension.
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Re: What keeps Guzzi pushrods straight?
« Reply #9 on: January 17, 2017, 09:02:46 PM »

Hooke's Law & Young's Modulus...keeps things straight.

:-)

I think Euler deserves some credit too.  :)
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Re: What keeps Guzzi pushrods straight?
« Reply #10 on: January 17, 2017, 09:10:01 PM »
 Keebler Elves ??

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Re: What keeps Guzzi pushrods straight?
« Reply #11 on: January 17, 2017, 09:28:24 PM »
Keebler Elves ??

 Dusty

 :1: :1:

But maybe an Italian super model :evil: :thumb:

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Re: What keeps Guzzi pushrods straight?
« Reply #12 on: January 17, 2017, 10:10:28 PM »
:1: :1:

But maybe an Italian super model :evil: :thumb:

Sorry :grin:
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 Good one  :laugh:

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Re: What keeps Guzzi pushrods straight?
« Reply #13 on: January 17, 2017, 10:47:08 PM »
morals.
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Re: What keeps Guzzi pushrods straight?
« Reply #14 on: January 18, 2017, 12:42:56 AM »
Depends what year small block Guzzi you're referring to.  How many miles on it's odometer and if it's a 4 valve Lario or not.  :undecided:

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Re: What keeps Guzzi pushrods straight?
« Reply #15 on: January 18, 2017, 01:07:39 AM »
Not only are they straight, they're also narrow.



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Re: What keeps Guzzi pushrods straight?
« Reply #16 on: January 18, 2017, 03:35:28 AM »
Keebler Elves ??

 Dusty

I had to Google that one  :wink:
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Re: What keeps Guzzi pushrods straight?
« Reply #17 on: January 18, 2017, 06:17:51 AM »
Rev limiter :evil:
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Re: What keeps Guzzi pushrods straight?
« Reply #18 on: January 18, 2017, 07:11:42 AM »
 :popcorn:

Lead in their pencil?

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Re: What keeps Guzzi pushrods straight?
« Reply #19 on: January 18, 2017, 09:36:22 AM »
I had to Google that one  :wink:

 All this time I thought the Keebler Elves were Yorkshiremen  :laugh:

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Re: What keeps Guzzi pushrods straight?
« Reply #20 on: January 18, 2017, 12:33:10 PM »
Rev limiter :evil:

  :bow:

But I appreciate the Hooke's law and Euler references.  Gives me something to read tonight.

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Re: What keeps Guzzi pushrods straight?
« Reply #21 on: January 18, 2017, 12:37:42 PM »
 The OP's question was a bit confusing . Seems he wasn't asking what keeps the pushrods from bending , rather what keeps them from flopping about . Two different questions .

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Re: What keeps Guzzi pushrods straight?
« Reply #22 on: January 18, 2017, 12:43:08 PM »
That makes sense.  Nobody likes a floppy pushrod.

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Re: What keeps Guzzi pushrods straight?
« Reply #23 on: January 18, 2017, 12:56:28 PM »

Oh, that would be spring pressure....not to be confused with peer pressure.

:-)

 Once again , not quite what he was asking . The OP has a degree in fisics  :huh: His question was what actually hold the pushrods in place . The answer is the ball and cup present on both ends .
 Hey Kirby , what is the term for the sticky situation created by the oil present in the aforementioned ball and cup ?

 Dusty

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Re: What keeps Guzzi pushrods straight?
« Reply #24 on: January 18, 2017, 01:03:24 PM »
 Ugly ?

 Wasn't trying to be snarky , just that sometimes it takes one of us , er , less intelligent guys to decipher a question .

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Re: What keeps Guzzi pushrods straight?
« Reply #25 on: January 18, 2017, 01:19:59 PM »
  :bow:

But I appreciate the Hooke's law and Euler references.  Gives me something to read tonight.

If anyone really looks up Euler, he did a lot of stuff during his life.  I was referring to his work in estimating the load a column can support before it buckles, now referred to as the Euler buckling load, among other variations.
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Re: What keeps Guzzi pushrods straight?
« Reply #26 on: January 18, 2017, 01:59:11 PM »
  Hey Kirby , what is the term for the sticky situation created by the oil present in the aforementioned ball and cup ?
 Dusty

I would have thought simple suction Dusty. They are probably machined close enough that capillary forces come in to play as well.
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Re: What keeps Guzzi pushrods straight?
« Reply #27 on: January 18, 2017, 03:11:58 PM »
That suction sound is because nature abhors a vacuum.
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Re: What keeps Guzzi pushrods straight?
« Reply #28 on: January 18, 2017, 08:22:16 PM »
That suction sound is because nature abhors a vacuum.

So do I. 'Orrible noisy things, always need emptying. :wink:
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Re: What keeps Guzzi pushrods straight?
« Reply #29 on: January 18, 2017, 08:41:26 PM »
Ok, thanks. 

As Aristotle noted, "horror vacui," or as the medievals said centuries later, "natura abhorrent vacuum."

So anyway, I get-eth oil in mine cups of my pushrods, on both the cam and the rocker end.   Straight and narrow and moral are thy pushrods kept, with capillary action leading them not into temptation to stray into crookedness.

I'm still wondering about the Coriolis effect and how that could create a torque abscess that might lead to quantum proton tunneling. 

Say, has anyone else noticed it's cold and wintery?

 
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