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Re: V9 or V7III
« Reply #30 on: October 26, 2017, 08:08:30 AM »
Based on a sit test (I haven't ridden either bike) the V9 seemed to fit like a glove, where the V7 felt really odd somehow, so I might look to a Roamer.  Wonder why the V9 is less stable at freeway speeds?

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Not doubting Adan�s experience, he�s a good dude on here  :thumb: but I haven�t yet had this highway speed stability thing on my Roamer, or at least maybe it hasn�t come up in my mind while riding it.  Adan has probably ridden both bikes back to back in a closer span of time than me so what he�s saying may indeed be true.  It�s been at least a couple years since I�ve had my V7 Stone so maybe I just don�t recall that it is/was any more stable at highway speeds than my Roamer.  All I know is this issue has not popped into my brain while riding nor on the recent 1100 mile roundtrip tour I took a couple weeks back that included too much highway work, in fact.  I will also shamefully admit that once on a long straight highway I tried topping the Roamer out.  I didn�t top it out as I saw a car coming in the distance and slowed down, but all I�m trying to say is that even around 115 on the flawed speedo I don�t remember thinking wow this is unstable I gotta slow down.  The truth is that I remember thinking wow this bike was not topped out at that speed.
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Re: V9 or V7III
« Reply #31 on: October 26, 2017, 08:25:54 AM »
Bp - if my SWAG is correct differences in size/weight/reach to the bars etc. could account for your and Adan's different experiences.

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Re: V9 or V7III
« Reply #32 on: October 26, 2017, 08:28:09 AM »
https://www.motomachines.com/V9-Bobber_c_858.html

Looks like you can get HB C-Bow racks and/or topcase racks, the only thing I don't see are HB Junior side case racks. But that's hardly a deal breaker for most. I mean, there are certainly luggage options available for a V9.

IMHO the C Bows are a better choice as they are very unobtrusive when the bags are off the bike.
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Re: V9 or V7III
« Reply #33 on: October 26, 2017, 08:37:33 AM »
Bp - if my SWAG is correct differences in size/weight/reach to the bars etc. could account for your and Adan's different experiences.

Hadn’t thought about it but you are probably right. :thumb:

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Re: V9 or V7III
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Re: V9 or V7III
« Reply #34 on: October 26, 2017, 11:06:08 AM »

Yeah well a lot of people screw that choice up too...

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Re: V9 or V7III
« Reply #35 on: October 26, 2017, 11:45:02 AM »
Well the triumph sold in a matter of hours so that ones out. The Guzzi has been on for months! May still go for it, but with eyes wide open as it’s defo a heart purchase!

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Re: V9 or V7III
« Reply #36 on: October 26, 2017, 01:13:06 PM »
Head or heart?  The 'head' option is easy - take the money and invest it.  It's all about the heart, about what will scratch whatever your particular itch might be.  Fool's errand to think this is a rational, economic decision-making exercise.  Glad you're exploring this dark region.  Good luck and have a blast.
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Re: V9 or V7III
« Reply #37 on: October 26, 2017, 10:09:38 PM »
Wasn't the Triumph  Chain Drive and liquid cooled ?    After having Belt and Shaft ... How could you ever go back to the mess ?

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Re: V9 or V7III
« Reply #38 on: October 27, 2017, 03:41:25 AM »
I was faced with nearly the same decision: V7 III, V9 Bobber or Triumph Street Cup. Driving the Triumph was a little bit boring and it did not fit well with my size (1.90 m). In contrast to that experience, test drives with the Guzzis were an enlightenment! My Guzzi dealer set up all types in a row: V7 III Anniversario, V7 III Special, V7 III Stone, V9 Roamer and V9 Bobber. For me was quickly clear that only the Anniversario and the Bobber really conquered my heart. I decided for the Bobber because the engine is more agile, the ergo fits better to my size and last but not least I was totally fascinated by the bobber look of the V9. So far I do not regret my decision!  :grin:

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Re: V9 or V7III
« Reply #39 on: October 27, 2017, 06:30:27 AM »
Decided to go with the heart and a Moto Guzzi.
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Re: V9 or V7III
« Reply #40 on: October 27, 2017, 07:17:57 AM »
Decided to go with the heart and a Moto Guzzi.
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Re: V9 or V7III
« Reply #41 on: October 27, 2017, 08:15:42 AM »
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Yes, you are partially blamed.
And it'll be a yellow V7 III Stone. 
The ultimate might be combining some aspects of the V9 and V7, but since they're two different bikes I think the V7 wins for me.
The slightly smaller engine with slightly less power and larger tank capacity seem to make sense.  Styling could go either way, but the V7 jumps out a little more/a little "cleaner" maybe?
The V9 seating position seems a little more upright, but the pegs being more rearward on the V7 seems a little better suited.
One salesman said he'd go for the V9 while another said V7 and they both made very good points.
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Re: V9 or V7III
« Reply #42 on: October 27, 2017, 04:21:04 PM »
Congrats, and great choice!
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Re: V9 or V7III
« Reply #43 on: October 27, 2017, 05:34:00 PM »
Way to go!!!  Post some pics soon.

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« Reply #44 on: October 28, 2017, 07:34:43 AM »
Fantastic. Enjoy the journey
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Re: V9 or V7III
« Reply #45 on: October 28, 2017, 05:03:14 PM »
Get the V9 up to 70 mph and then do the wiggle test.  Wiggle them bars just a little and I think you'll feel that the margin between stability and self-oscillation is less than some other bikes.  This is not a surprise, the V9 has a rake designed for urban agility.  It stands to reason that it's going to track a little less self-assuredly at highway speeds. 

And I did hit a bump at 70 and started to feel the wagging that precedes a tank slapper.  I was surprised that it happened at that speed over that size bump.

Would this put me off a V9?  No, because the kind of riding I do doesn't call for doing 70+ over the long haul.  If it did, and if I really wanted a Guzzi (which I probably would), then this consideration might give a slight edge to the V7.  I'd guess the V7 iii also has a much more comfortable seat than either V9, based on a brief showroom sit. 
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Re: V9 or V7III
« Reply #46 on: October 29, 2017, 04:37:03 AM »
Is this experienced based on the Bobber or the Roamer?

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Re: V9 or V7III
« Reply #47 on: October 29, 2017, 07:04:31 AM »
Adan, how about testing my theory?

Try shifting/leaning forward and trying that.

I'm curious if it would be the same feeling.
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Re: V9 or V7III
« Reply #48 on: October 29, 2017, 07:34:32 AM »
Get the V9 up to 70 mph and then do the wiggle test.  Wiggle them bars just a little and I think you'll feel that the margin between stability and self-oscillation is less than some other bikes.  This is not a surprise, the V9 has a rake designed for urban agility.  It stands to reason that it's going to track a little less self-assuredly at highway speeds. 

And I did hit a bump at 70 and started to feel the wagging that precedes a tank slapper.  I was surprised that it happened at that speed over that size bump.

Would this put me off a V9?  No, because the kind of riding I do doesn't call for doing 70+ over the long haul.  If it did, and if I really wanted a Guzzi (which I probably would), then this consideration might give a slight edge to the V7.  I'd guess the V7 iii also has a much more comfortable seat than either V9, based on a brief showroom sit.

Hey Adan, as stated earlier, I do nott doubt your experience; if you have had many miles at all on any motorcycle you will be very familiar with that front end pre slapper feeling.  For whatever reason, I just haven nott had it yet on my Roamer and I have driven the thing about 5k miles.  Maybe what Kev said earlier in the thread could account for some it?  I dunno.  But again, there is no doubting that feeling when you have it on a bike, for whatever reason.  My KTM 950 with a super light front end will do it at speeds above 95 which, thankfully, I am not doing often at all.  Worst of all, I had a very gorgeous GT1000 Duc for around 20k somewhat pleasing miles before happily getting back on a Goose.  That Duc was terrible at it.  Under varying tires and pressures, windshields, and even handlebars it was still there and was by far the worst I have ever experienced with any motorcycle.  Anything over 85 and it would start the boogie. 
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Re: V9 or V7III
« Reply #49 on: October 29, 2017, 07:35:49 AM »
There's several (stories), but there's 3 Guzzi shops within striking distance.  One won't get my business and 2 are very nice, but each 100 or so miles away.
Maintenance seems not too involved (and there's what seems like a really good independent shop in Philly for anything beyond routine).
Locally, within bicycle riding distance, are a very good Yamaha/Kawasaki, Suzuki/KTM and Harley shop.
Nothing against Harley, but can't see that happening.  KTM's seem awesome, but maybe not my thing.
Which leaves a Yamaha XSR900, Suzuki SV650 or Kawasaki Z900RS (that I think came out today).  There's also the Suzuki Bandit, but it didn't jump out, as well as the V-Stroms (but there'll be not one second of off-road).  There's also a really good Triumph/BMW shop and another that has most brands, but not bicycle riding distance away.
So my head says to keep it local, but the V7 is the only bike I've sat on that says, "Oh yes."

For me the driveshaft gives the nod to the Moto Guzzi.  I would recommend the Kawasaki Versys over the V-strom.  It is more of an upright sport bike than the V-strom.  You might want to look at the XSR700.  Better balanced package than the 900.  Upright naked riding position with too much power makes it hard to use the available power.  The new Kawasaki Z900RS is a beautiful tribute to days gone by in a modern package but I'm not an I-4 engine guy.
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Re: V9 or V7III
« Reply #50 on: October 12, 2018, 12:24:41 PM »
https://youtu.be/YFDnd_oqUKE

I'm interested.  Wish it had a BIG Tach & small speedo.
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Re: V9 or V7III
« Reply #51 on: October 12, 2018, 02:07:42 PM »
https://youtu.be/YFDnd_oqUKE

I'm interested.  Wish it had a BIG Tach & small speedo.

I missed the tach for a day or two. Then I realized the motor was talking to me and telling me when it was comfortable and when it wanted me to shift.
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Re: V9 or V7III
« Reply #52 on: October 12, 2018, 02:19:50 PM »
IMHO the C Bows are a better choice as they are very unobtrusive when the bags are off the bike.

I've got the C-bow racks, with "Legacy" … uhhh… "bows?" the actual plates the bags rest on. Super thin, low profile. even from behind. I use Kriega bags with them, the seat bears the weight, and the racks just keep them from touching anything moving. Works great for me.
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Re: V9 or V7III
« Reply #53 on: October 12, 2018, 07:45:30 PM »
https://youtu.be/YFDnd_oqUKE

I'm interested.  Wish it had a BIG Tach & small speedo.

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Re: V9 or V7III
« Reply #54 on: October 12, 2018, 08:01:49 PM »
I missed the tach for a day or two. Then I realized the motor was talking to me and telling me when it was comfortable and when it wanted me to shift.

Bingo.  Take the time to understand what the bike is telling you.  Don't be alarmed to find your bike likes to run up in the rev range a bit.
It'll smooth out (and it's real easy to notice) and tell you where it's happy place is.  I'd go as far as to say ignore the tach numbers.  The small block has sweet spots.  Find them.
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Re: V9 or V7III
« Reply #55 on: October 12, 2018, 08:08:10 PM »
Yes, you are partially blamed.
And it'll be a yellow V7 III Stone. 

Welcome to the Giallo Energio club! I missed the tach for about a month - now I could care less. As noted this engine 'talks' to you and there are a couple sweet spots where it runs "like buttah". Think I've only hit the red rev warning light once or twice. I have it set 500 RPM below max.



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Re: V9 or V7III
« Reply #56 on: October 13, 2018, 12:17:28 PM »
First bike?  Buy something cheap, once you start riding regularly, you will likely either swap or add.  My first few years riding I swapped A LOT..... Then in 1984 I bought my dream bike, a Yamaha XS1100. That's when I started adding...... Couldn't part with it. I did at one time have Yamaha Luggage and a Vetter Fairing added, but wanted to do some sport touring so I added a true Sport touring bike, and kept the XS11. That was in 1996. I now have 6 bikes.... lol, though 3 ae in storage. Al my Guzzi's are in my garage. Griso, Norge, Stornello, all very different, to suit my mood and goal for the days ride.

My point is, IF you end up a serious rider, you will add and change bikes. Buy something you like cheap enough to not regret selling it next year. A new bike will depreciate too fast, and as others have said, these are not investments.
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