EICMA 2015 - New V7 Roamer/Bobber and MGX-21 Bagger The photos are rolling in.

[rocker59]

Kev,

Yeah.  I don't disagree.  However, I think the young urban buyer who might cross shop a Bolt or "48", might consider this 850 Audace for its European panache.  I'm not sure that the younger standard cruiser buyer is as hung up on cubic inches as the average American feet-forward big cruiser buyer definitely is.

[rocker59]

While I'm liking the pre-production 850 Audace at first blush, it's the changes to the engine that I'm really interested in seeing.

Also, rumor was that there will be TWO new small blocks on the podium in Milan next month.  So we still have hope for a Guzzisti's Guzzi to accompany this smaller Audace.

[Kev m]

Kev,

Yeah.  I don't disagree.  However, I think the young urban buyer who might cross shop a Bolt or "48", might consider this 850 Audace for its European panache.  I'm not sure that the younger standard cruiser buyer is as hung up on cubic inches as the average American feet-forward big cruiser buyer definitely is.

I hear ya, but no, I still think it's not only a factor, but a major one.

And what's this mythical "urban" buyer? The vast majority of the younger generation that lives in cities does so to NOT own a car or motorcycle in the first place.

Besides, what's the price point going to be?

I don't think most people cross-shop a Bolt and a 48.

IF they like both, and can afford both, they're buying the 48.

If they can't afford the 48, they're likely cross-shopping an 883 and the Bolt, that I've seen.

So unless the price is on par with the Bolt and 883 (and I don't see how that's possible since the Stone/Special already is), then I don't see it doing well being cross-shopped against the 1200cc Sportster variants.

[Chuck in Indiana]

Looks new to me. The heads/cylinders are entirely different from the Aero 750. Probably a 4V from the looks of it. The case looks different to me, as does the swing arm/rear drive.
I'll withhold judgement.. but not my cuppa so far.

[rocker59]

I knew I recognized the lines on the fuel tank.

Inspired by the X-75?

[Dogwalker]

And what's this mythical "urban" buyer? The vast majority of the younger generation that lives in cities does so to NOT own a car or motorcycle in the first place.

Moto Guzzi does not need to sell bikes to the vast majority of people. It needs only to sell this bike to a small minority to makes a success of it.
The potential buyer is the same that convinced Yamaha to produce the XV950.

[Dogwalker]

I knew I recognized the lines on the fuel tank.

Inspired by the X-75?

The tank will probably acquire additional Cali-style side covers to me.

[Cam3512]

Clearly the heads and valve covers are bigger, and wouldn't work with the shape of the current V7s.

Could this be the new tank WITHOUT the side panels with cutouts   - ala the 1400 tanks?

[Kev m]

Moto Guzzi does not need to sell bikes to the vast majority of people. It needs only to sell this bike to a small minority to makes a success of it.
The potential buyer is the same that convinced Yamaha to produce the XV950.

I understand that.

BUT I'm saying that the vast majority of kids in US cities don't buy ANY BIKES.

If there are a few dozen who DO, why do you think Guzzi is going to get 100% of them?

[rocker59]

New lower frame rails, which lower the foot pegs and move them slightly forward of the V7 Stone/Special.

New oil pan.

current bike below:


The more I look, the more differences I see.  There will be lots of new parts on the new 850 Audace.

[canuguzzi]

Maybe if MG used that last picture in some decent billboard ads near/in major cities. Lots if female riders on Ducatis around here.

[Chuck in Indiana]

That tank looks *really* small to me..

[Demar]

An updated V800 with more power and an adventure model would have put Guzzi in the running for 2 of those sales.  Not sure they could/should try to compete on price.

Mike

 :1: I'm waiting for a mini Stelvio

[tonUPRacer]

I guess if this is close to what they are going to be offering and there is no major upgrades to the Racer I won't have to worry about where to find the extra dough for a new bike.

[rocker59]

I understand that.

BUT I'm saying that the vast majority of kids in US cities don't buy ANY BIKES.

If there are a few dozen who DO, why do you think Guzzi is going to get 100% of them?

Where I live, the Bolt is ridden pretty much exclusively by guys in their 20s and 30s.  Same for the Iron 883.

[Penderic]

Double wall exhaust headers? 

Flat black headers now, but chrome that doesnt blue up would be possible and nicer looking too.

[rocker59]

Double wall exhaust headers? 
 

Yep.  I noticed that, too.

[Penderic]

Speaking of double walls ... I see the tank has a big port on top. Which makes senses if there is a shroud or set of covers that would be set flush with the top of that big port.

Thats a big gap ... looks like over an inch. A solid tank of that bigger size would be a decent size.

[Kev m]

Where I live, the Bolt is ridden pretty much exclusively by guys in their 20s and 30s.  Same for the Iron 883.

You're talking 2 totally different things here.

I'm arguing that CITY DWELLING KIDS (NYC, San Fran, etc. for the most part aren't buying ANY BIKES). The whole trend among youth that move to cities is to NOT own a car or motorcycle, nothing but maybe a bicycle.

Now kids who DON'T LIVE IN MAJOR CITIES - yes, I bet they are cross-shopping BOLTS and 883s (like the Iron).

They are closer in price so it makes sense.

Bolt $7990-8690
883 $8499-9299

48 $11,199-11,649 or a MINIMUM 20% more.

If they could afford the 48, I bet they wouldn't cross-shop with any Bolt.

[canuguzzi]

Someone ought to tell the kids in SF to stop buying Ducatis then, they are all over the place, ridden by the younger crowd. Try to find a CX500 for sale, a decent one costs more than originally sold for, same with Honda 360s. $3000 for a 70s Honda 360, the original vibromatic? Young people scoop them up.

If MG could sell to 10% of the younger bike buying market there they'd probably double their annual sales numbers. Just a wild guess.

[rocker59]

"City" has a very broad meaning.  I live in a college town of 70,000 in a metro area of 500,000.  It's a "city", but no megalopolis.

Lots of young adults ride scooters and mid-size motorcycles.  And, despite having no dealer, there are more 750 Guzzis running around town than big blocks.  Not that there are many, but there are several younger guys running around on V7 Classics and 750 Nevadas.  One young guy up the street from me has a bobbed V7 Racer.

I don't know much about people in the Northeast who live in the mega cities, but I can imagine going without a car or motorcycle is common and understandable. 

[rocker59]

Speaking of double walls ... I see the tank has a big port on top. Which makes senses if there is a shroud or set of covers that would be set flush with the top of that big port.

Thats a big gap ... looks like over an inch. A solid tank of that bigger size would be a decent size.

I think you and dogwalker are over thinking it.

That "turret" simply houses the normal Guzzi 750 fuel cap and is a styling exercise.

The lines of the fuel tank are way to nice to be something getting covered up.  Pull the side covers off a Cal 14 and you'll see what I mean.

[Kev m]

Norge - what are you calling "the younger crowd"? I'm not surprised there's a motorcycling community in San Fran. I just don't think that's the typical new URBAN youth. But maybe also it's different on the left coast due to weather. Still I've seen first hand a large number of youth (relatives and their extended friends) who move to places like San Fran specifically, and don't own vehicles (on purpose).

Rocker - ok, I hear where you're going.

I still don't see this being priced near the Bolt or 883, and I don't see it having what it takes to be a 48 competitor (which is mostly the cubic inches).

But hopefully I'm wrong.

[Demar]

Someone ought to tell the kids in SF to stop buying Ducatis then, they are all over the place, ridden by the younger crowd. Try to find a CX500 for sale, a decent one costs more than originally sold for, same with Honda 360s. $3000 for a 70s Honda 360, the original vibromatic? Young people scoop them up.

If MG could sell to 10% of the younger bike buying market there they'd probably double their annual sales numbers. Just a wild guess.

I see a LOT of Bonneville's and Vespa's driving thru SF. And these scooters are all over the place....



Maybe Guzzi should bring back the Galletto. That would be fantastic but it might cut into Vespa sales.

[Kev m]

I see a LOT of Bonneville's and Vespa's driving thru SF.

But that doesn't mean they're all owned by 20'somethings right?

[rocker59]

One thing I've noticed, that no one has mentioned, is the horizontal top rails of the frame are visible on the spy shot bike.

That long horizontal line is a classic Guzzi Tonti styling cue.  It will be interesting to see if Galluzzi keeps that line visible as part of the overall styling/design of the new bike.

[Demar]

But that doesn't mean they're all owned by 20'somethings right?

No... but chances are good. I see so many young people now in SF. Maybe it's just me getting older but I see mostly under 30's there now. Apartment rentals are very had to find and the average 1 bdr 800 sqft apartment is renting for $2900/$3100 per month. Over 50's aren't paying that.

[Steph]

Here you go, boys...

Son of Ippogrifo?

[LowRyter]

Looks like new heads, to me.

oil cooler too.

My guess is this is the new 850, and 65 HP on the ground.  Look out Sportsters and Bonnies. 

[Demar]

oil cooler too.

My guess is this is the new 850, and 65 HP on the ground.  Look out Sportsters and Bonnies.

If true it will definitely compete with the Bonnie. I looked at MG in 2011 when I bought my T100. The Bonnie was a good mix of power, performance and value. If a $9500 65hp V7 was available at the time I'd would have bought it instead of the T100.