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Offline Kristian

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Sport 1100 + 1100i actual weights
« on: February 21, 2018, 01:52:01 PM »
Lads,

I've collected a pile of English and German-language Sport 1100 reviews, and thought the following wet weights (actual measurements) might be interesting:

Sport 1100:  505 Lbs. (229.5 Kg.)
Sport 1100i: 538 Lbs. (244.5 Kg.)

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Re: Sport 1100 + 1100i actual weights
« Reply #1 on: February 21, 2018, 03:17:31 PM »
The FI stuff adds the weight vs. the carbs.  '97 model vs. '95/96
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Re: Sport 1100 + 1100i actual weights
« Reply #2 on: February 21, 2018, 06:30:02 PM »
Fuel pump, fuel filter, a couple of high pressure lines, I would think the throttle bodies would be a wash, or even save a few grams over carbs full of fuel... I'm not seeing the numbers add up. Am I missing something? Or are there other differences than just the injection system? Someone enlighten me.
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Re: Sport 1100 + 1100i actual weights
« Reply #3 on: February 21, 2018, 06:53:02 PM »
Wheels, the cush drive plate is not light.
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Re: Sport 1100 + 1100i actual weights
« Reply #4 on: February 21, 2018, 06:59:50 PM »
Yes, there are differences other than the EFI system... The cush drive is definitely a added weight for the Sporti, but the Brembo wheels on the EFI bike are possibly lighter (?)  The same may also be true for the single AGM battery compared with two 6V conventional batteries used on the carburated bike.   Are upside down WP forks heavier than old style Marzocchi forks? 

33 lbs difference seems like a lot to me, either way.

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Re: Sport 1100 + 1100i actual weights
« Reply #5 on: February 21, 2018, 07:06:11 PM »
Cush drive in '97 and up 1100 sporti.
Also, Helical gears in gear case(Sometime into 1997 after a particular serial number on box as early '97 were straight).
With torque through helical gears, axial loads need a strong transmission case and shafts, this may add weight.
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Re: Sport 1100 + 1100i actual weights
« Reply #6 on: February 21, 2018, 07:26:38 PM »
Cush drive in '97 and up 1100 sporti.
Also, Helical gears in gear case(Sometime into 1997 after a particular serial number on box as early '97 were straight).
With torque through helical gears, axial loads need a strong transmission case and shafts, this may add weight.

Are the cases different between the two? That would surprise me-

Also, Is have oil coolers, different triple clamps.

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Re: Sport 1100 + 1100i actual weights
« Reply #7 on: February 21, 2018, 07:33:19 PM »
I just don't know that for sure (regarding cases).
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Re: Sport 1100 + 1100i actual weights
« Reply #8 on: February 21, 2018, 08:06:03 PM »
I just don't know that for sure (regarding cases).

Just found out, transmission cases have the same part numbers.

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Re: Sport 1100 + 1100i actual weights
« Reply #9 on: February 21, 2018, 08:18:10 PM »
Thanks.
Helical gear weight -vs- Straight ?
I guess it all adds up in the end.
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Re: Sport 1100 + 1100i actual weights
« Reply #10 on: February 21, 2018, 08:32:33 PM »
Swing arm is different on the Fuel injected, plus, IIRC, the rear subframe was fortified. The carb models had a retrofit/ recall to add a brace for additional support for the passenger area.

Also, the FI models came with a oil cooler. Can't say how much additional weight that added though.
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Re: Sport 1100 + 1100i actual weights
« Reply #11 on: February 21, 2018, 08:43:31 PM »
I believe that was similar for the early Daytonas and the Daytona RS.
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Re: Sport 1100 + 1100i actual weights
« Reply #12 on: February 22, 2018, 11:44:57 AM »
Makes sense for the Daytona 1000 to weigh less than the RS because of the same reasons for the Sports.
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Re: Sport 1100 + 1100i actual weights
« Reply #13 on: February 22, 2018, 11:51:21 AM »
Makes sense for the Daytona 1000 to weigh less than the RS because of the same reasons for the Sports.

According to Cycle World's 1995 review, the Sport weighs 25 pounds less than the Daytona; less complicated frame cited.

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Re: Sport 1100 + 1100i actual weights
« Reply #14 on: February 22, 2018, 11:58:03 AM »
I'll clarify.  '93 Daytona 1000 weighs less than the '97 Daytona RS like the '95/'96 Sport weighs less than the '97 Sporti for probably the same reasons.  Okay?
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Re: Sport 1100 + 1100i actual weights
« Reply #15 on: February 22, 2018, 12:47:22 PM »
I'll clarify.  '93 Daytona 1000 weighs less than the '97 Daytona RS like the '95/'96 Sport weighs less than the '97 Sporti for probably the same reasons.  Okay?

There's a misunderstanding; my comment was not an argument, just stating the weight difference between Daytonas and Sport Cs.

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Re: Sport 1100 + 1100i actual weights
« Reply #16 on: February 22, 2018, 01:44:45 PM »
No sweat.  Not an argument.   :thumb:  Concurring with you.  If we have a disagreement, there will be no question.   :tongue:
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Re: Sport 1100 + 1100i actual weights
« Reply #17 on: February 22, 2018, 02:40:17 PM »
According to Cycle World's 1995 review, the Sport weighs 25 pounds less than the Daytona; less complicated frame cited.

Kristian

That's interesting because the 1995 Daytona with its heavy 4V heads, heavy wheels etc is not likely to be lighter than a 1997 injected Sport, which is supposedly 33 lbs heavier than a 1995 carb Sport.   Something doesn't add up, as I'd typically suspect when comparing measured weights from anything but a 'same day, same scale' comparison.  I'd probably want to weigh the two versions of the 1100 Sport myself, same day same scale, before being convinced of the exact weight difference between the carb and injected Sports. Literature lies  :grin:

BTW, I've owned both a Sporti and an RS, which are other than the engine almost identical and for those bikes I'd say that you definitely feel the additional weight up high on the RS but its not a major issue.  The weight difference is the heads.

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Re: Sport 1100 + 1100i actual weights
« Reply #18 on: February 22, 2018, 03:35:33 PM »
That's interesting because the 1995 Daytona with its heavy 4V heads, heavy wheels etc is not likely to be lighter than a 1997 injected Sport, which is supposedly 33 lbs heavier than a 1995 carb Sport.   Something doesn't add up, as I'd typically suspect when comparing measured weights from anything but a 'same day, same scale' comparison. 

Several things could account for the 7 to 10 pound additional weight of Sport i's over Daytonas; USD forks, oil cooler, heavier side plates, heavier swingarm, heavier subframe, etc.

Scales are not like dynos; they are very easy to calibrate. For example, the variance in measured weights of Sport 1100 Cs in the four different German reviews I have are all within a couple of pounds.

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Re: Sport 1100 + 1100i actual weights
« Reply #19 on: February 22, 2018, 03:58:54 PM »
The heads and timing gear on a Daytona is probably 20 lbs heavier than the equivalent parts on an 1100 Sport.

I suspect all the magazine numbers being thrown around in this thread are nonsense.
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Re: Sport 1100 + 1100i actual weights
« Reply #20 on: February 22, 2018, 04:45:01 PM »
I own both, and they don't feel much different weight-wise. If the Daytona is that much heavier I can't tell it. But then I can't really feel a difference if the tanks are full or empty either.
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Re: Sport 1100 + 1100i actual weights
« Reply #21 on: February 23, 2018, 05:28:03 AM »
AGM battery compared with two 6V 12voltconventional batteries used on the carburated bike.   

Just for clarification possibly nit picking but more in the interest of preventing odd rumours.

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Re: Sport 1100 + 1100i actual weights
« Reply #22 on: February 23, 2018, 09:05:57 AM »
Thanks for the correction - I had an odd recollection of two 6V batteries wired in series when in fact if is two 12v batteries in parallel.  Must've been thinking of old British cars!

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