Dead V11 Sport

[LowRyter]

My '01  V11 Sport is dead as a doornail.

I noticed that neutral light was flickering when I stopped.  When I tried to restart it, no neutral light, no charge light, no fuel pump, and no starter motor. All dead.  I played relay roulette with spare relay and checked the fuses.  Played with bars, shifter, in and out of gear, all of that.   No help.

Headlight is on, relay clicked (2nd from front), that's it.

Would the kickstand switch or clutch switch cause this?  Ignition switch?
 

OBTW- the kickstand was taken off the bike to change out the leaky timing cover gasket.  So I suppose the kickstand switch might be a culprit but I don't know how it connects to the neutral light, and fuel pump, I know it defeats the starter motor. 

Diagnostic help appreciated. 

[fotoguzzi]

your Sport is not dead, your battery is.. get a load test.

[Kiwi_Roy]

The charge light, oil pressure light and headlight should come on when you turn the key on

Was the Tach working before you stopped?

I'm trying to establish if the bike is charging.

You can eliminate the side stand and Neutral switches from the equation bu taking out the centre relay (N0 3) and poking a piece of wire in the 30 to 87 socket.



Here is a simple drawing Trace 12 Volts from left to right, it needs to get to the petcock fuse for the ECU to fire up.

[guzzisteve]

All the idiot switches go to a relay, I would use duck tape to hold switch.

[LowRyter]

oil pressure light and headlight are on. I believe the tach was working but I wasn't looking at it when I saw the neutral light flickering. 

After doing some research, I am thinking it might be the neutral switch or connector in the transmission.  But I still don't know why it would matter if I pull it off the side stand and try to start it.  The neutral light, fuel pump and starter motor are dead.

Certainly could be the battery/charging.  But the Charge light was not on. 

[Wayne Orwig]

Certainly could be the battery/charging.  But the Charge light was not on.

The charge light on that system has almost zero value. Get a meter, measure the voltage with the headlight on. Report back.

[RinkRat II]

       Did you possibly hit the kill switch? 
   
       Paul B

[LowRyter]

       Did you possibly hit the kill switch? 
   
       Paul B

played with it, the bars, switches, gear lever, clutch, relays, fuses.....

[twowings]

Connector failure...

[radguzzi]

Did the V11 Sport model suffer the need for a redundant ground as the '95-'97 1100 Sports and Sportis did...?   

A parasitic drain perhaps...?  Just a thought.

Anyway, yes, perform a load test and go from there.

Best,
Rob

[rocker59]

Too bad you didn't notice if the tach was working.

My vote is a relay problem.

Get Pyro Dan relays.

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[LowRyter]

Rocker, bike has Dan's relays.  I used two spares to check all the relay spots twice.  The 2nd relay (from front of the bike, right to left), "clicks".   Fuses look good, including the big 30.

What is the significance of how the tach working?  It was working when I was riding but I didn't notice when I was parking and noticed the neutral light flickering.

Also, the horn is flat like it's not getting enough power or one of them is disconnected. 

[Chuck in Indiana]

My money is on the ignition switch..

[rocker59]

Rocker, bike has Dan's relays.  I used two spares to check all the relay spots twice.  The 2nd relay (from front of the bike, right to left), "clicks".   Fuses look good, including the big 30.

What is the significance of how the tach working?  It was working when I was riding but I didn't notice when I was parking and noticed the neutral light flickering.

Also, the horn is flat like it's not getting enough power or one of them is disconnected.

If the tach quits a few minutes before the bike dies, it's an indication of a failed relay.

If you have replaced all with Pyro Dan relays,  then it's something else.

Chuck may be on to it. Look at your ignition switch. Have you rerouted wiring from the switch???

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[LowRyter]

My money is on the ignition switch..

1. I am thinking charging system, since the timing gasket and seal were replaced.  Usually what was disturbed last is first issue.

2. Then the ignition switch (but I don't know what circuits are affected).

and connections in those circuits.

[Kiwi_Roy]

My money is on the ignition switch..

I tend to agree, perhaps a wire has snapped off, this is quite common. It's very easy to pull the switch off, disconnect the battery negative first.
It's plugged into the loom just under the tank or you can work on it safely without unplugging if battery negative is disconnected.
There are two Phillips screws holding the switch to the lock, look up from underneath.
Prize the back off to inspect the wires, tilt out the white plate and wipe off the old grease, replace with fresh Vaseline
Before putting it back fix the wires to the rear of the switch so they don't flex where they are soldered.
Actually you said the headlight was On, that rules out the switch I think

One thing we haven't asked, did you scrape and grease the battery terminals, I swear by Vaseline for those.

I did my sketch from my 2001 Green VII so yours will be wired the same, note how fuse 4 powers up the switch it then goes one way to fuse 5&6, the other to relay 3/30
Check for 12 Volts there (to chassis)
Mine quit on me one day with a bad stand switch so I shorted the relay pins 30 to 87 by wrapping a bare wire around the relay pins
I suspect it's around here, power not getting from 30 to 87

As I said with your meter or test light connected to chassis trace the power from fuse 4 - relay 3/30 then to petcock fuse 8 with Key On

PM sent

[LowRyter]

Thanks Roy.

[Lannis]

My money is on the ignition switch..

Wondering, after reviewing the thread, why your money isn't on a duff battery and/or battery connections ... ?

Lannis

[Murray]

As others have said battery, if thats ok might be worth pulling out and reseating the relays as over time they can get corrosion on the contacts and cause all sorts of odd issues. The other one is road grime in the switch block again a time thing pull and clean it with contact cleaner and then lube the moving bits.

[Chuck in Indiana]

Wondering, after reviewing the thread, why your money isn't on a duff battery and/or battery connections ... ?

Lannis

Because there are two circuits from the ignition switch. One (from memory)  does the sidestand, kill, clutch, etc. stuff.. then to the ECU relay, I think.  It's been a long time since I had to trouble shoot the switch. <shrug>
Of course, the battery or connections *could* be bad..

[Tom]

Ignition switch and/or ........ from Carl Allison.  You might have a wiring harness where the Molex connected in a longer piece of wire as an extension in the wiring loom up to the ignition switch.  He found it while after tracking every wire in the loom.  No documentation from the factory.  Turns out the Molex connector was corroded.  My black V11 Sport is having the same problem.  New battery with it and relays changed out.  Next step is surgery on the nervous system.  (not the sidestand switch either)

[LowRyter]

since the charging system was monkeyed with first, we'll check that and the battery charge.

If that ain't it, we'll look at the ignition switch.

So here is the sequence, the headlight and oil light comes on, but no fuel pump, no neutral light and no crank.

Looking back it, when I parked the bike, the neutral was flickering and it actually died before I turned off the key.

[twowings]

Connector failure...

Too many things went wrong at once...check the connectors...

[LowRyter]

Too many things went wrong at once...check the connectors...

goes without saying. 

The key is to figure where to start.  That's why we'll start with charging system.

[fotoguzzi]

it actually died before I turned off the key.

Battery

[LowRyter]

Battery

That's my first thought, battery is dead due to no charging/bad connection.   Then check the ins and outs on ignition switch and then Kiwi Roy's troubleshooting instructions. 

Obviously, the simpler, the better.   KNOCK WOOD

[rodekyll]

Those are all dash and right pod functions, right?  Left pod works, ignition switch works.  It sounds to me like you knocked loose either the connector that feeds the right pod and dash or the forward gang of ground wires.  With all the failed things having those two points of the wiring harness in common, I'd look right there. 

[Chuck in Indiana]

I found a schematic (I'm certainly no electrician) and the ringer here to me is the fuel pump isn't running. If I'm reading this correctly, fuse F1 powers the ECU relay, which triggers the INJ relay, powered by fuse F2, which powers the coils, injection, and fuel pump.
You *have* checked for power at fuse F1, and F2,  right?
Kiwi Roy was right (of course) the headlight being on rules out the ignition switch.
There is an Amp connector 35 from the ignition switch that I'd suspect. This deals with the kill switch, sidestand switch, yada yada.
Edit: Oh, forgot.. as long as the head light works, the neutral light should be on if the neutral switch is ok.. <scratching head>

[LowRyter]

I haven't checked anything.  I am just arranging to get the bike picked up.  It didn't die on me at home.

Appreciate the advice regarding F1-2. (And Relays 4  & 5 ?)

Once, we get the charge and battery system checked, we'll know to check F1-F2 and AMP 35. 

Since the alternator was monkeyed with changing the timing gasket and seal, a weak battery might explain some of the "bleed through" from one circuit to another.  Also, some of the connectors could've been loosened during the process.

Thanks.

[Darren Williams]

I haven't checked anything.  I am just arranging to get the bike picked up.  It didn't die on me at home.

Appreciate the advice regarding F1-2. (And Relays 4  & 5 ?)

Once, we get the charge and battery system checked, we'll know to check F1-F2 and AMP 35. 

Since the alternator was monkeyed with changing the timing gasket and seal, a weak battery might explain some of the "bleed through" from one circuit to another.  Also, some of the connectors could've been loosened during the process.

Thanks.

Do you need help collecting it? I have trailers.