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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: canuck750 on August 10, 2018, 12:22:11 PM
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A 1949 Moto Guzzi Airione (Astorino) arrived from California this morning, it has a life time of 'patina'. It is a 250cc. smaller than I thought it would be. It will get a full restoration, eventually ... lots of projects in the line.
(http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg217/canuck750/1949%20Astorone/IMG_3697_zps2zl5pslx.jpg) (http://s249.photobucket.com/user/canuck750/media/1949%20Astorone/IMG_3697_zps2zl5pslx.jpg.html)
(http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg217/canuck750/1949%20Astorone/IMG_3698_zps8n02h3ql.jpg) (http://s249.photobucket.com/user/canuck750/media/1949%20Astorone/IMG_3698_zps8n02h3ql.jpg.html)
(http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg217/canuck750/1949%20Astorone/IMG_3700_zps286wfog0.jpg) (http://s249.photobucket.com/user/canuck750/media/1949%20Astorone/IMG_3700_zps286wfog0.jpg.html)
(http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg217/canuck750/1949%20Astorone/IMG_3703_zpsngmxoev0.jpg) (http://s249.photobucket.com/user/canuck750/media/1949%20Astorone/IMG_3703_zpsngmxoev0.jpg.html)
(http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg217/canuck750/1949%20Astorone/IMG_3704_zpsgnsj3xbp.jpg) (http://s249.photobucket.com/user/canuck750/media/1949%20Astorone/IMG_3704_zpsgnsj3xbp.jpg.html)
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Sweet! I would never restore that, just make it mechanically and electrically sound and then ride it every chance I got. To me, it's perfect cosmetically - it fits in right between "too pretty to ride" and "so ugly I'm ashamed of it". :grin:
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Sweet! I would never restore that, just make it mechanically and electrically sound and then ride it every chance I got. To me, it's perfect cosmetically - it fits in right between "too pretty to ride" and "so ugly I'm ashamed of it". :grin:
I may just do that, first to try and get it started!
Close up of the condition of the paint, pretty much like this everywhere.
(http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg217/canuck750/1949%20Astorone/IMG_3712_zpsoqsjyjii.jpg) (http://s249.photobucket.com/user/canuck750/media/1949%20Astorone/IMG_3712_zpsoqsjyjii.jpg.html)
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I agree with Charlie, that's perfect the way it is. Looks like it will be a fun ride!
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Sweet! I would never restore that, just make it mechanically and electrically sound and then ride it every chance I got. To me, it's perfect cosmetically - it fits in right between "too pretty to ride" and "so ugly I'm ashamed of it". :grin:
^^^This^^^
It's perfect as is! :drool:
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^^^This^^^
It's perfect as is! :drool:
Agreed!
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Burnished but beautiful...
Spud
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Congratulations! One of my dream bikes!
In the antique Harley, and Indian world you would have to be mad at your money to change the outward condition of one in this condition. Survivor antique HD's are worth a 50 to 100% premium over a nicely restored bike.
Original condition survivors are sometimes not as highly prized among other marquees. It seems in the antique Triumph world new and shiny looking is still attracting more $$ than survivors. And as far as MG I wouldn't venture a guess.
Give it some time and do what makes you happy. I don't think the Airione Preservation League would come after you with a noose if you restore it. :copcar:
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Well and truly down the rabbit hole now!
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Sweet! I would never restore that, just make it mechanically and electrically sound and then ride it every chance I got. To me, it's perfect cosmetically - it fits in right between "too pretty to ride" and "so ugly I'm ashamed of it". :grin:
Nice! Knowing Jim here, and seeing all his work over the years, NO WAY can he leave it cosmetically “as is”.
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I agree with everyone! It's only "original"...ONCE! Leave the patina as is...and get it running mechanically, etc. :thumb: :cool: :smiley:
CONGRATS!!! :thumb:
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Why is it that antique Harleys ,and Indians are worth more if left unrestored, and some other bikes are worth more restored? I personally dont get this "patina" thing. I like shiny.
I havea buddy that does custom paint/airbrush work. Most of the paint jobs he has done for customers lately, have been "grunge" jobs, where he makes the new paint look like its faded,old and rusty.
He says its "easy money" for him, as you can get away with alot of mistakes with one of those paint jobs. Almost anything goes!
Rick.
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A 1949 Moto Guzzi Airione (Astorino) arrived from California this morning, it has a life time of 'patina'. It is a 250cc. smaller than I thought it would be. It will get a full restoration, eventually ... lots of projects in the line.
(http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg217/canuck750/1949%20Astorone/IMG_3697_zps2zl5pslx.jpg) (http://s249.photobucket.com/user/canuck750/media/1949%20Astorone/IMG_3697_zps2zl5pslx.jpg.html)
(http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg217/canuck750/1949%20Astorone/IMG_3698_zps8n02h3ql.jpg) (http://s249.photobucket.com/user/canuck750/media/1949%20Astorone/IMG_3698_zps8n02h3ql.jpg.html)
(http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg217/canuck750/1949%20Astorone/IMG_3700_zps286wfog0.jpg) (http://s249.photobucket.com/user/canuck750/media/1949%20Astorone/IMG_3700_zps286wfog0.jpg.html)
(http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg217/canuck750/1949%20Astorone/IMG_3703_zpsngmxoev0.jpg) (http://s249.photobucket.com/user/canuck750/media/1949%20Astorone/IMG_3703_zpsngmxoev0.jpg.html)
(http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg217/canuck750/1949%20Astorone/IMG_3704_zpsgnsj3xbp.jpg) (http://s249.photobucket.com/user/canuck750/media/1949%20Astorone/IMG_3704_zpsgnsj3xbp.jpg.html)
Good for you Jim...………. It could not have found a better home.
Ciao.
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What are those little boxes with what looks like keyholes at the top of the rear tire on either side for? They seem far too small for storing anything useful.
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What are those little boxes with what looks like keyholes at the top of the rear tire on either side for? They seem far too small for storing anything useful.
No less room than a loop frame tool box
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What are those little boxes with what looks like keyholes at the top of the rear tire on either side for? They seem far too small for storing anything useful.
tool kit on one side and a spare tube in the other!
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Nice! Knowing Jim here, and seeing all his work over the years, NO WAY can he leave it cosmetically “as is”.
I think you described me pretty accurately, I just love shiny and once I get into a build I have yet been able to stop myself. Maybe this will a first (but I doubt it).
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I appreciate patina and love the worn look, but not on my stuff. Great bike!
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Why is it that antique Harleys ,and Indians are worth more if left unrestored, and some other bikes are worth more restored? I personally dont get this "patina" thing. I like shiny.
Rick.
Rick, an intact survivor, original paint HD, Indian, or any other antique US made bike is very highly sought after. It wasn't always this way as many originals were restored during the 70s, 80s and even into the 90's. It didn't happen overnight, but around the 1990s the tide turned, and original paint bikes began to be recognized for their rarity and historical record. There are always those HD's to this day that make perfect sense to restore; bikes that were already repainted years ago, incomplete bikes, or prior customized bikes.
Case in point is my original paint 1956 FLH. To restore this bike to like new condition would cost about 10k assuming I don't charge for my labor hours. The problem is I would be removing 10k worth of value from the bike. So it would be a 20k negative hit, assuming I sell one day.
I cant' explain why this hasn't followed suit with all other marquees.
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It's interesting (to me) to think of what may become of those original bikes that have never degraded to accumulate 'patina'. Bikes made say 40 years ago aren't so old anyway and were originally finished with more durable paint etc. My '80 Ducati looks exactly the same as it did 25 years ago when I bought it, still all original. It's already very much a collector bike and in another 25 years, unless a crash or fire etc claims it, I'd guess it will still look exactly the same as today. I'm hoping to still be around to enjoy it.
I value originality, I appreciate painted emblems over decals and to me it's also fun to see decals misaligned from the factory and other features that show nobody thought this thing was going to live so long. I'm not such a fan of patina, unless maybe the bike is 100 years old and nobody reasonable would expect it to look new.
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That really is a great looking bike. I will probably spend hours staring at the pics studying how they were put together back then.
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That really is a great looking bike. I will probably spend hours staring at the pics studying how they were put together back then.
Me Too!!
(http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg217/canuck750/1949%20Astorone/IMG_3710_zps6kq1jmto.jpg) (http://s249.photobucket.com/user/canuck750/media/1949%20Astorone/IMG_3710_zps6kq1jmto.jpg.html)
(http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg217/canuck750/1949%20Astorone/IMG_3709_zpskxaqz1qu.jpg) (http://s249.photobucket.com/user/canuck750/media/1949%20Astorone/IMG_3709_zpskxaqz1qu.jpg.html)
(http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg217/canuck750/1949%20Astorone/IMG_3708_zps1ikyr77u.jpg) (http://s249.photobucket.com/user/canuck750/media/1949%20Astorone/IMG_3708_zps1ikyr77u.jpg.html)
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(http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg217/canuck750/1949%20Astorone/IMG_3702_zpsji3d5os5.jpg) (http://s249.photobucket.com/user/canuck750/media/1949%20Astorone/IMG_3702_zpsji3d5os5.jpg.html)
(http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg217/canuck750/1949%20Astorone/IMG_3701_zpsrkjxy4yr.jpg) (http://s249.photobucket.com/user/canuck750/media/1949%20Astorone/IMG_3701_zpsrkjxy4yr.jpg.html)
(http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg217/canuck750/1949%20Astorone/20180615_101234_resized_zpsvp6hw7zf.jpg) (http://s249.photobucket.com/user/canuck750/media/1949%20Astorone/20180615_101234_resized_zpsvp6hw7zf.jpg.html)
(http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg217/canuck750/1949%20Astorone/IMG_3701_zpsrkjxy4yr.jpg) (http://s249.photobucket.com/user/canuck750/media/1949%20Astorone/IMG_3701_zpsrkjxy4yr.jpg.html)
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Wow! A real time machine there!
Jim, do you know when it was last on the road?
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Nice find Jim!,
You may have already seen this, but if nothing else he's got some good close-ups for comparison.
https://lasvegas.craigslist.org/mcy/d/1950-moto-guzzi-astore/6651971815.html (https://lasvegas.craigslist.org/mcy/d/1950-moto-guzzi-astore/6651971815.html)
Paul B :boozing:
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Wow! A real time machine there!
Jim, do you know when it was last on the road?
The bike was registered and on the road in California. Previous owner (a motorcycle mechanic) got the bike at an estate sale, deceased was an Italian emigrant who reportedly brought the bike with him when he moved to the USA and worked in the film industry. The seller of this bike also had a vintage Guzzi wool sweater he got in the estate sale but the sweater was not for sale. Front rim was replaced, newer tires, says it was running and occasionally ridden, I will fire it up when I get a little more time.
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Nice find Jim!,
You may have already seen this, but if nothing else he's got some good close-ups for comparison.
https://lasvegas.craigslist.org/mcy/d/1950-moto-guzzi-astore/6651971815.html (https://lasvegas.craigslist.org/mcy/d/1950-moto-guzzi-astore/6651971815.html)
Paul B :boozing:
Thanks Paul, great resource pictures! The correct gas tank is the chrome one like the bike on Craigslist, I can get a tank out of Italy.
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That may be the most thoroughly "Visually Mechanical" bike (if there is such a term) of its era, or any era, that we'll ever see.
I vote for "ride as is". They're fixable if something wears out!
Lannis
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Great looking bike! Congratulations. The fact that it was running and ridden is huge. My GTV hasn't been a rider since the last competent person worked on it - probably before 1966 (based on a sparkplug table from 1966 used as a shim under the generator). The fact that all the pieces work together is huge.
I'm another vote (as if it matters!) for leaving the cosmetics mostly as they are - they add to the history: "Italian emigrant who reportedly brought the bike with him when he moved to the USA and worked in the film industry. "
(https://thumb.ibb.co/nGb4ap/image1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/nGb4ap)
I've been helping a friend get a beautiful '51 Airone on the road and it was painted and pinstriped and never ridden. Cam timing seemed OK, but was put together with the timing mark 180* out. Ignition timing was set up at full retard for an auto advance mag - though the mag is manual advance (at least 3 teeth out). Valves gaps were set for finding cam timing, not for running. New clutch was set-up so poorly was the lever was incredibly hard but it slipped anyway. Wrong lever and perch combination meant you could not pull the lever all the way to the bar. Got it assembled correctly and modified the perch and it's a nice clutch that works well. Generator looks beautiful, but there's no voltage regulator inside... Carb passages blocked with lead... We're getting there...
Let me know if you need some info. rpw.it has the best list of technical documents for the old Guzzis that I've found.
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I'm with the majority opinion that maintaining the patina is ideal. However, having seen Jim's other work, (here) if someone has to do a restoration, he's definitely the guy. Wheatever he decides to do, it will be wonderful.
Nick
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What a great little bike, I would definitely leave it the way it is. I�m a sucker for old patina!
Congrats, I�m jealous....👍
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Nice. I know a guy that is looking for an Airone. Give me a ping if anyone knows about one..
TIA..
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One other weird thing if you are working on getting it running. Check the depth of the threads in the head. Standard today is ~3/4" (without gasket) for aluminum. ~1/2" for cast iron heads back in the day. Both my GTV (cast iron) and Carlo's Airone (alloy) have about 14mm of thread - ~5/8" without the gasket.
The Airone had a 3/4" reach plug installed that was 3 threads from being tight. Don't know if the piston would hit it.
I was buying parts in Mandello and asked for the correct plug and Marco at Guzzi Retro offered me 1/2" reach plugs. When I asked for 14mm reach he said "oh, very rare!" I've cut the NGK 18mm (diameter) on the lathe to give it the correct reach, but doing the same to 14mm (dia.) NGKs cuts the base off. (we stacked gaskets until we find a better solution) Lathe might work with Bosch or Champion...
(https://thumb.ibb.co/ggEo1U/IMG_3600.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ggEo1U) (https://thumb.ibb.co/eDG1MU/IMG_3603.jpg) (https://ibb.co/eDG1MU)
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And another vote for patina! Give it a wipe over with an oily rag, get it running and able to be ridden and ENJOY.
What a gorgeous machine.
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At one of our rallies a bloke rode from South Australia to the Ragged Fringe in NSW on his Airone.
It was exquisite. Here are the photos I took.
(http://www.kellawayguitars.com/images/air1.jpg)
(http://www.kellawayguitars.com/images/air2.jpg)
(http://www.kellawayguitars.com/images/air3.jpg)
(http://www.kellawayguitars.com/images/air4.jpg)
(http://www.kellawayguitars.com/images/air5.jpg)
(http://www.kellawayguitars.com/images/air6.jpg)
(http://www.kellawayguitars.com/images/air7.jpg)
(http://www.kellawayguitars.com/images/air8.jpg)
(http://www.kellawayguitars.com/images/air9.jpg)
(http://www.kellawayguitars.com/images/air10.jpg)
(http://www.kellawayguitars.com/images/air11.jpg)
If you want any of these in a larger file let me know.
Cheers,
Dan
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Thanks for posting the Airione pictures!
I will send you a pm with my email contact.
Cheers
Jim
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How could I possibly have missed this topic? :cry: :embarrassed: :shocked: I swear it wasn't :boozing: or :copcar:
Will try to do better in future :wink: :smiley:
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At one of our rallies a bloke rode from South Australia to the Ragged Fringe in NSW on his Airone.
It was exquisite. Here are the photos I took.
(http://www.kellawayguitars.com/images/air1.jpg)
(http://www.kellawayguitars.com/images/air2.jpg)
Nice Falcone.
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O dear, my bad. However still a reference point for the Airone in many ways.
Thanks Charlie.
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There's a dealer in Victoria advertising a 1952 Airone on Bikesales. There are some good photos, maybe they'd send some bigger files if you asked.
https://www.bikesales.com.au/bikes/details/1952-Moto-Guzzi-Airone-Sport-250/OAG-AD-16171195/?cr=0&psq=%28%28Service%3D%5BBikesales%5D%26Year%3Drange%5B..1980%5D%29%26%28%28%28%28SiloType%3D%5BBrand%20new%20bikes%20available%5D%7CSiloType%3D%5BBrand%20new%20bikes%20in%20stock%5D%29%7CSiloType%3D%5BDealer%20used%20bikes%5D%29%7CSiloType%3D%5BDemo%20%26%20near%20new%20bikes%5D%29%7CSiloType%3D%5BPrivate%20used%20bikes%5D%29%29&pso=60&pss=Premium (https://www.bikesales.com.au/bikes/details/1952-Moto-Guzzi-Airone-Sport-250/OAG-AD-16171195/?cr=0&psq=%28%28Service%3D%5BBikesales%5D%26Year%3Drange%5B..1980%5D%29%26%28%28%28%28SiloType%3D%5BBrand%20new%20bikes%20available%5D%7CSiloType%3D%5BBrand%20new%20bikes%20in%20stock%5D%29%7CSiloType%3D%5BDealer%20used%20bikes%5D%29%7CSiloType%3D%5BDemo%20%26%20near%20new%20bikes%5D%29%7CSiloType%3D%5BPrivate%20used%20bikes%5D%29%29&pso=60&pss=Premium)
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There's a dealer in Victoria advertising a 1952 Airone on Bikesales. There are some good photos, maybe they'd send some bigger files if you asked.
https://www.bikesales.com.au/bikes/details/1952-Moto-Guzzi-Airone-Sport-250/OAG-AD-16171195/?cr=0&psq=%28%28Service%3D%5BBikesales%5D%26Year%3Drange%5B..1980%5D%29%26%28%28%28%28SiloType%3D%5BBrand%20new%20bikes%20available%5D%7CSiloType%3D%5BBrand%20new%20bikes%20in%20stock%5D%29%7CSiloType%3D%5BDealer%20used%20bikes%5D%29%7CSiloType%3D%5BDemo%20%26%20near%20new%20bikes%5D%29%7CSiloType%3D%5BPrivate%20used%20bikes%5D%29%29&pso=60&pss=Premium (https://www.bikesales.com.au/bikes/details/1952-Moto-Guzzi-Airone-Sport-250/OAG-AD-16171195/?cr=0&psq=%28%28Service%3D%5BBikesales%5D%26Year%3Drange%5B..1980%5D%29%26%28%28%28%28SiloType%3D%5BBrand%20new%20bikes%20available%5D%7CSiloType%3D%5BBrand%20new%20bikes%20in%20stock%5D%29%7CSiloType%3D%5BDealer%20used%20bikes%5D%29%7CSiloType%3D%5BDemo%20%26%20near%20new%20bikes%5D%29%7CSiloType%3D%5BPrivate%20used%20bikes%5D%29%29&pso=60&pss=Premium)
Thanks!
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If you need any pictures of an Airone or info - there's one in my shop now. A Turismo with sport bars. I've worked out the clutch adjustment and translated the page on timing the engine and magneto - let me know if you'd like a copy.
The bikesales Airone has an oversized tank - for Milano-Taranto races?
Looking forward to your report on your Airone. :popcorn:
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Sweet! I would never restore that, just make it mechanically and electrically sound and then ride it every chance I got. To me, it's perfect cosmetically - it fits in right between "too pretty to ride" and "so ugly I'm ashamed of it". :grin:
+1 to Charlie's comments. I'm generally not a great fan of patina - it's pretty much usually just a record of a machinery's abuse over the years. On the other hand, if the bike is as rare as this one, then the "historical" argument carries some weight. My daddy always taught me that if you treat machinery right, it usually will repay you with reliability & good performance. My Norton violates that adage regularly, but that's a story for another time...
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In looking at the pics of your Astorino , looks like it may not be an original paint bike , The decals are certainly newer than 40`s and early 50`s bikes.. Have fun with it and congratulations.
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After a couple hour ride on my KLR this afternoon I decided to give the Airione a try at starting. I am not sure about the right procedure, just did what I used to do to get my Yamaha TT500 to run, finally figured out the push button on top of the Delorto carb is to feed fuel into the bowl.
After a couple kicks it fired up, doesn't want to idle, need to work on that but I think it sounds pretty decent.
My apologies for the crappy video, holding the camera in one hand, kick starting and working the throttle, the camera is pointing down at the ground / motor, can't figure out how to rotate the image
https://youtu.be/prhNUcjDsWc
When I give it gas it walks backwards just like my Laverda. I had the fuel off, it just runs out of gas at the end.
I have a grin from ear to ear :laugh:
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:thumb: :thumb:
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That's a success there Jim!!
Buzz Kanter has 2 Falcones and might be selling this one. He is the editor, owner? of American Iron Mag. Good guy and has nice bikes. He cycles them through his garage from time to time.
(https://s20.postimg.cc/5rv2lurql/FALCONE.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/vaneyvbah/)
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Success :grin: :thumb:
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That's a success there Jim!!
Buzz Kanter has 2 Falcones and might be selling this one. He is the editor, owner? of American Iron Mag. Good guy and has nice bikes. He cycles them through his garage from time to time.
(https://s20.postimg.cc/5rv2lurql/FALCONE.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/vaneyvbah/)
That's just beautiful, think he may want a V7 Sport in trade?
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Congratulations! :thumb: it sounds good and revs nicely.
Start drill that I've been using is turn on oil, turn on fuel, set choke lever so the choke is almost all on, rotate twist grip to lift the slide maybe 1/8" - not more (reportedly this is the reason the throttle spring is not strong enough to close the throttle), ignition advance at 1/4 to 1/3 advance (tight wire is full advance, slack is full retard if set up correctly), tickle carb 1 good second, and kick.
Both the GTV and Airone I'm working on seem to run rich and neither idles consistently (perhaps weak magnetos) and the start drill is a little different than the Ariels. I suspect that if the mag and carb were sorted that start drill would be the same as the Ariels. Since both Guzzis appear (by the spark plug) to run rich they seem to need very little tickle and choke and if they don't start within about 3 kicks they are probably flooded.
3 ways I've read to kill turn off the Airone (no decompressor) - close taps to run it out of fuel, put in gear and kill it with the clutch, or let idle slow and drag your boot on the flywheel! So far I've had no problem stopping the engine on the Airone :rolleyes:
Ride report in the future? :bike-037:
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Congratulations! :thumb: it sounds good and revs nicely.
Start drill that I've been using is turn on oil, turn on fuel, set choke lever so the choke is almost all on, rotate twist grip to lift the slide maybe 1/8" - not more (reportedly this is the reason the throttle spring is not strong enough to close the throttle), ignition advance at 1/4 to 1/3 advance (tight wire is full advance, slack is full retard if set up correctly), tickle carb 1 good second, and kick.
Both the GTV and Airone I'm working on seem to run rich and neither idles consistently (perhaps weak magnetos) and the start drill is a little different than the Ariels. I suspect that if the mag and carb were sorted that start drill would be the same as the Ariels. Since both Guzzis appear (by the spark plug) to run rich they seem to need very little tickle and choke and if they don't start within about 3 kicks they are probably flooded.
3 ways I've read to kill turn off the Airone (no decompressor) - close taps to run it out of fuel, put in gear and kill it with the clutch, or let idle slow and drag your boot on the flywheel! So far I've had no problem stopping the engine on the Airone :rolleyes:
Ride report in the future? :bike-037:
Thanks for the info :thumb:
I went back to restart the bike today to find fuel weeping out of the carb bowl and the base of the carb itself, the carb has been painted and its pretty dirty, decided to strip it down and see what's inside it.
(http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg217/canuck750/1949%20Astorone/IMG_3755_zpsmv9zdor0.jpg) (http://s249.photobucket.com/user/canuck750/media/1949%20Astorone/IMG_3755_zpsmv9zdor0.jpg.html)
Traces of gasket cement and what appears to be epoxy on the carb body, intake flange and cap, some one was really trying to fix a leak.
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Beside being filthy the exterior of the carb has been painted.
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Stripped it all down and went through it in the vapour blaster
No signs of damage or holes in the carb or bowl body, no idea what the epoxy was doing there
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I need to get some new cables made and cut out some gaskets, fit a couple new sealing washers and hopefully it will ruin better.
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The manual advance cable is seized, the advance mechanism works but the cable is gummed up and the advance lever has been bodged, needs some TLC.
Lots of little jobs to go through to get it running with some level of confidence.
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That vapor blaster does a wonderful job.
Carlo's SBF22 had solder plugging up the idle air inlet (idle screw adjusts air, while jet size determines fuel quantity) and in two ports in the mouth of the carb.
Can you take a good photo showing these ports for us? There are 2 that are side-by-side at about 6 o'clock just inside the mouth of the carb.
I suspect they were plugged because the slide&bore are worn and air is leaking by. Wonder if this is the reason for the epoxy?
Some of the older carbs are made from very dark alloy and seem to have been painted originally. Some of the remote-float AMALS were originally painted.
Italian rebuilders paint some Dellortos:
https://www.frigerio-revisione-carburatori-seregno.com/galleria/
Here's a picture of a rebuilt & painted SBF22:
(https://www.frigerio-revisione-carburatori-seregno.com/s/cc_images/teaserbox_36967986.jpg?t=1449412106)
If you haven't gotten them already, you want the Dellorto parts catalog:
http://www.alzavalvole.it/files/carburatori-dell-orto-catalogo-1-motoveicoli.pdf
and the Dellorto application manual. This one will show you the original settings for the Airone Turismo.
http://www.alzavalvole.it/files/carburatori-dell-orto-regolazione-carburatori.pdf
The files are too large for email. I'll send you the Dellorto SS1 tuning guide too.
Dellorto jet sizes are in 100th of a millimeter so a 50 idle jet is 0.50 mm. A 270 atomizer is 2.7 mm. OE parts will have numbers on the jets, atomizer and slide.
Slide needle will have a letter & number combo and float needle will have a letter for the height of the groove. The mass of the float is stamped in the top. Aftermarket atomizer and needles had no marks.
The idle jet was drilled out on the GTV carb so worth checking with wire gauges.
Cheers!
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That vapor blaster does a wonderful job.
Carlo's SBF22 had solder plugging up the idle air inlet (idle screw adjusts air, while jet size determines fuel quantity) and in two ports in the mouth of the carb.
Can you take a good photo showing these ports for us? There are 2 that are side-by-side at about 6 o'clock just inside the mouth of the carb.
I suspect they were plugged because the slide&bore are worn and air is leaking by. Wonder if this is the reason for the epoxy?
Some of the older carbs are made from very dark alloy and seem to have been painted originally. Some of the remote-float AMALS were originally painted.
Italian rebuilders paint some Dellortos:
https://www.frigerio-revisione-carburatori-seregno.com/galleria/
Here's a picture of a rebuilt & painted SBF22:
(https://www.frigerio-revisione-carburatori-seregno.com/s/cc_images/teaserbox_36967986.jpg?t=1449412106)
If you haven't gotten them already, you want the Dellorto parts catalog:
http://www.alzavalvole.it/files/carburatori-dell-orto-catalogo-1-motoveicoli.pdf
and the Dellorto application manual. This one will show you the original settings for the Airone Turismo.
http://www.alzavalvole.it/files/carburatori-dell-orto-regolazione-carburatori.pdf
The files are too large for email. I'll send you the Dellorto SS1 tuning guide too.
Dellorto jet sizes are in 100th of a millimeter so a 50 idle jet is 0.50 mm. A 270 atomizer is 2.7 mm. OE parts will have numbers on the jets, atomizer and slide.
Slide needle will have a letter & number combo and float needle will have a letter for the height of the groove. The mass of the float is stamped in the top. Aftermarket atomizer and needles had no marks.
The idle jet was drilled out on the GTV carb so worth checking with wire gauges.
Cheers!
Thanks Sed I have the parts manual but not the tuning manual.
I will take some pictures of the cleaned carb body,
these are the 'before' pictures I took
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