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Re: Lario rehab project begins. What we've learned..
« Reply #570 on: September 09, 2015, 11:02:03 AM »
This looks like a great thread. Gonna have to start from the beginning when I have a little more time. So far I've just jumped around a couple of pages, and a few things jumped out at me: A nice work shop, good skills, proper tools for the job, an airplane, nice ripe tomatoes in 2014, and of course, a Guzzi project... This is like catching reruns of a past TV series that you completely missed - I'm hooked! :azn:

Glad to help you waste some time..  :smiley: I started it because there's a scarcity of information on the small block in general. Hopefully a search can come up with a few pictures and how to do its. We've touched on about all of the small block now, except taking a transmission apart.
The Aero engine rescue thread contains more, if you're bored..  :wink:
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Re: Lario rehab project begins. What we've learned..
« Reply #571 on: September 09, 2015, 11:17:24 AM »
I might have to pass on the Aero thread, as intriguing as that sounds...   :clock:
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« Reply #572 on: September 09, 2015, 11:27:19 AM »
I might have to pass on the Aero thread, as intriguing as that sounds...   :clock:

 :smiley: :smiley: It, like this one, is a collaborative effort by very knowledgeable Guzzi Guys such as Charlie, Pete, Dogwalker, oh, I could name *many*.. keeping me out of trouble.  :cool: Hopefully it will be a resource. Just today we disproved a myth on dampers..  :thumb:
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Re: Lario rehab project begins. What we've learned..
« Reply #573 on: September 09, 2015, 09:46:19 PM »
I might have to pass on the Aero thread, as intriguing as that sounds...   :clock:

Don't do it!  I have zero skills with a wrench, nor any interest in acquiring those skills, but the saga of the aero engine being found, and Chuck running with it to install it into the Lario is absolutely fascinating.  Definitely worth your time. 
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Re: Lario rehab project begins. What we've learned..
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« Reply #574 on: September 10, 2015, 08:12:53 AM »
Here's a photo "Bones" took at the factory recently.

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« Reply #576 on: September 10, 2015, 02:09:12 PM »
Here's a photo "Bones" took at the factory recently.



Strange. That's a pusher engine all right, but sure looks like it has a tractor propeller on it.. <scratching head>
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« Reply #577 on: September 10, 2015, 02:35:42 PM »
Maybe a ceiling fan with a light in the cone.

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« Reply #578 on: September 12, 2015, 09:01:06 AM »
Just an update.. I haven't had a chance to get the Lario out since the damper swap..the kid was right. I could tell a significant difference in front end feel before reaching the main road. Money well spent on those FACs.  :thumb:
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Re: Lario rehab project begins. What we've learned..
« Reply #579 on: September 12, 2015, 02:50:46 PM »
Just an update.. I haven't had a chance to get the Lario out since the damper swap..the kid was right. I could tell a significant difference in front end feel before reaching the main road. Money well spent on those FACs.  :thumb:
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Nice work Chuck!

Packing for Germany trip tomorrow... thought I'd read some WG to unwind from the anxiety. It worked!

Hopefully I can update my saga of a thread by the Winter too. ;)

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« Reply #580 on: September 12, 2015, 04:15:48 PM »
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Nice work Chuck!

Packing for Germany trip tomorrow... thought I'd read some WG to unwind from the anxiety. It worked!

Hopefully I can update my saga of a thread by the Winter too. ;)

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Good to hear from you Joe.. have a *great* trip.  :thumb:  How long are you staying?
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« Reply #581 on: September 12, 2015, 04:30:35 PM »
Good to hear from you Joe.. have a *great* trip.  :thumb:  How long are you staying?
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« Reply #582 on: September 13, 2015, 07:36:36 PM »
Found this thread today,long read from page 1 but worth it,still fairly new to the Guzzi family and still learning
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Re: Lario rehab project begins. What we've learned..
« Reply #583 on: May 04, 2016, 06:59:05 PM »
Time for an update. When we did this thread, I went through all the trouble of rehabbing (I thought) the original rotors. The fronts had a couple of places each where the pads had stuck to them while sitting in the Florida swamp atmosphere. I bead blasted the crap out of them and thought, "they'll only get better." Nope. They got worse. Apparently, every time the rotor revolved with the brakes on, it deposited a little pad material to the point of seriously pulsing. You can see one place at the bottom of the rotor. Hmmmm, rusty fasteners...
2016-05-04_05-17-33 by Charles Stottlemyer, on Flickr
The plan was to take them off last winter, set them up on the CNC and take a light cut on both sides to clean them up. They were already pretty seriously worn, though.
As I've mentioned, patience is it's own reward. I scored this pair of rotors off the bay, cheap. (Guzzi content)  :smiley: Put the mics on them, and one was worn .002", the other .007".  :thumb: Probably off a low mileage (ahem) blown up Lario.
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Bead blasted them and masked for paint. Tools of the trade. This kind of work has already been covered in this thread.
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 I really miss my temporary paint booth that I tore down last summer to get more room in the hanger. Maybe tomorrow or Friday, I can paint them outside.
As an aside, I looked at the normal suspects, and those rusty button head screws run around 1-2 dollars each.  :shocked: Went to MacMaster Carr, and bought a bag of 25 for 7 dollars and change. Cad plated, so they won't rust. Grade 10 point something or other, so plenty strong enough. (Guzzi content, again.) With any luck at all, she'll have smoothly functioning brakes in a few days.
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Re: Lario rehab project begins. What we've learned..
« Reply #584 on: May 04, 2016, 07:04:31 PM »
Every one of your posts seems to contain gems of mechanical wisdom...looking forward to seeing this beauty ready to carve some corners! 
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« Reply #585 on: May 04, 2016, 11:36:28 PM »
Every one of your posts seems to have contain gems of mechanical wisdom...looking forward to seeing this beauty ready to carve some corners!
Agreed!  Thanks.
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« Reply #586 on: May 05, 2016, 06:00:38 AM »
Well, most pulsing brakes aren't warped rotors. These aren't. Runout is still .002".. it's just uneven deposition of pad material. Clean it off, and after a few hundred miles it's coming back. Hopefully the new old rotors will be ok.
Thanks.. :smiley:
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« Reply #587 on: May 05, 2016, 07:27:34 AM »
you might have a look at the 270 mm floating disks from the le mans 1000/sp3/california 3
those are a straight swap , and dont pulse, like the original lario disks tend to do

the 270 floater was used as a rear disk on the california , they go pretty cheap on ebay

even nicer , but a tad more expensive, HMB had them made from stainless steel.
http://hmb-guzzi.de/Brake-Disc-front/rear-270-mm-LM-1000-Cali-3-SP-3-etc-stainless

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« Reply #588 on: May 05, 2016, 07:59:57 AM »
you might have a look at the 270 mm floating disks from the le mans 1000/sp3/california 3
those are a straight swap , and dont pulse, like the original lario disks tend to do

the 270 floater was used as a rear disk on the california , they go pretty cheap on ebay

even nicer , but a tad more expensive, HMB had them made from stainless steel.
http://hmb-guzzi.de/Brake-Disc-front/rear-270-mm-LM-1000-Cali-3-SP-3-etc-stainless

Thanks for that.  :thumb: If these don't work out, that's the way I'll go.
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« Reply #589 on: May 05, 2016, 09:05:13 AM »
Just wondering if there is a direct Ducati replacement? Posers gotta have the latest thing, dontcha know?  :evil: :smiley: Lots of perfectly good duck parts on the bay, cheap.
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« Reply #590 on: May 05, 2016, 05:11:03 PM »
Still too cold to paint. Sharpened up my impact driver tool because I could.  :azn: Having the right tool, etc.
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One day service, as usual from McMaster Carr.. now these are some *nice* rotor bolts for pennies.
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It's forecast to be warm enough to paint tomorrow. If the wind isn't still blowing 30.  :rolleyes:
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« Reply #591 on: May 09, 2016, 03:57:57 PM »
Cleaned up the wheel since I had the rotors off. Pretty spiffy.  :smiley:
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« Reply #592 on: May 09, 2016, 04:06:54 PM »
Ooooh..shiny!  :drool:

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« Reply #593 on: May 09, 2016, 04:22:13 PM »
Now you've done it!  The rear wheel will now have to be cleaned to match the front or the bike will want to swap ends.  I know it's true Cause I read it on the inner neck!!

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« Reply #594 on: May 09, 2016, 06:51:12 PM »
Now you've done it!  The rear wheel will now have to be cleaned to match the front or the bike will want to swap ends.  I know it's true Cause I read it on the inner neck!!

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Oh, it's true all right. Now that rear wheel looks nasty. The stupid thing has 10K miles since I cleaned it up.. I knew it was a slippery slope when I cleaned the front.  :smiley: I'm needing a third rear tire, maybe I'll clean it up then.
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« Reply #595 on: May 10, 2016, 02:41:07 AM »
Thanks for that.  :thumb: If these don't work out, that's the way I'll go.

They had been used on the Nevada too, for all the '90s. A big step up in braking efficiency over the fixed disks of the '80s.


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« Reply #596 on: May 10, 2016, 10:56:26 AM »
Thanks for that, too.
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« Reply #597 on: August 18, 2016, 03:48:15 PM »
Well well, looky what the mail girl brought me today.  :smiley:
So easy to install you don't really need instructions, but I will anyway.
Lift up the Gaudy gaiters (tm) and the dust covers and loosely install both sides. Some light tapping with a little rubber hammer will help to get them aligned.
2016-08-18_03-16-29 by Charles Stottlemyer, on Flickr
Put the cap on, install the top screws, wiggling the assembly a bit to get all to line up.
Tighten all the screws in a cross pattern, slide the dust covers and gaiters down, and you're done. Easy.
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Was it worth the hunnerd bux? You betcha. I could feel the difference just rolling out the driveway. Any time you can make a noticeable difference for a pittance like that, you are doing good.  :smiley: :boozing:
I'd been planning to do this for a while after riding the Monza with the Tarozzi fork brace compared to the same forks on the MKIII I had. They were pretty wimpy forks and you could tell which brake you were using.  :shocked: The Lario forks were nothing like that, but now they are for want of a better word, more solid feeling. Planted. If you have a Lario, I'd highly recommend it.
I got it from fast from the past. On their chart, this brace is supposed to fit the 750 S3. Now we know which parts bin the Lario forks came from.. :grin: P/N 280022. The usual disclaimers. Didn't hose me on shipping, either.  :smiley: :thumb:
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« Reply #598 on: June 22, 2017, 02:14:50 PM »
Latest update..
The flip choke has been usable, but it's a case of too much or too little. I thought it would be nice to have a variable choke, controllable from the left grip.
Found a Magura choke lever, but it was set up to mount on a handlebar. There's no place for that on the Lario, so after a little mill and lathe work, made a mount that goes in the unused M10 mirror mount.
2017-06-22_02-44-39 by Charles Stottlemyer, on Flickr
All I have to do now, is go to a bicycle shop, get some stuff, and run to a splitter. Then, I can have as much or little choke as I need.
I love it when a plan comes together.. :smiley:
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« Reply #599 on: June 22, 2017, 03:19:49 PM »
Chuck, I think the prop would be good for an additional 10-15 mph top speed...just add googles!  :cool:

 

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