New Roamer on MG Website

[Rough Edge racing]

So to be clear there are no Guzzis that you would ride.

 I think PU trucks are heavy but I own one...   Just a comment....

[Kev m]

I think PU trucks are heavy but I own one...   Just a comment....

So it's more a lament.

[Rough Edge racing]

So it's more a lament.

 I have a limited vocabulary and had to look " Lament"  , a passionate expression of grief or sorrow.  Hmm, ...But my PU truck is lightest full size truck, standard cab Silverado 4.8 5 speed  2wd, 4160 pounds...

  I prefer lighter weight bikes with more HP....Doesn't mean a 500 pound bike is bad, just heavier............

[chuck peterson]

 

Red Roamer, Red Roamer, send ASCHEM on over!

 

[swooshdave]

I think the "Needs more power" thing is just a gearhead pleasantry, like asking "How are you today?".   When someone says "How are you?" they don't really mean that you need to tell them your condition of bodily health.

Similarly, when someone is referring to a V9, or a KTM 1290 with 170 HP, or a Ducati or BMW with 190 HP, or a turbo Hayabusa with 300 HP, and they say "Needs 10 or 15 more horsepower",  it's just a sort of way of acknowledging the post.   Just my opinion, having seen A LOT OF THAT over the years ... !   

Lannis

Triumph faced that same problem with their new water cooled bikes, when they focused on torque and not hp. But the truth is that for most street riding you frequently use way more torque than peak hp. Hence Americans fascination with V-things, they tend to feel more torquey.

[JJ]

Triumph faced that same problem with their new water cooled bikes, when they focused on torque and not hp. But the truth is that for most street riding you frequently use way more torque than peak hp. Hence Americans fascination with V-things, they tend to feel more torquey.

Old American Hot-Rodders motto: "There is no substitute for horsepower..." 

[swooshdave]

Old American Hot-Rodders motto: "There is no substitute for horsepower..." 

They only said that because it's more sexy to say horsepower than torque. 

[Kev m]

Old American Hot-Rodders motto: "There is no substitute for horsepower..." 

I thought it was "there's no replacement for displacement" but this board already had that fight last week.

Oh, now that I'm on a desktop:

Sorry, I don't know what "Tapatalk" is...and I believe I can see the signatures...see below

Here's Jay's signature:

2014 V7 Special, 2013 V7 Racer
1974 Eldorado 
2013 Ducati Monster 796, 1966 Ducati Monza 250
2007 Vespa GTS250ie (wife's)
2013 BMW F800GT, 1980/78 R100S, 1973 R75/5
2015 Yamaha WR250R
1976 Honda CB400F, 1967 305 Super Hawk, 1968 CL175

Emphasis mine  - I can see how those would be missed in that mess.

What I don't know is why he insists on labeling the Vespa "his wife's" since hes had a 2 years or something and she doesn't have a license and I don't believe has ever ridden it, unless he started to try and teach her?

[Lannis]

They only said that because it's more sexy to say horsepower than torque. 

Probably true.

My observations and experience tell me, however, that outside of a VERY few highly skilled people, that the RESULT of all this horsepower and torque (which is to make the motorcycle go fast) is used only to make more noise, and engender more bragging rights.   That's what people are really buying, although they'll never admit it.

Most people cannot ride a 50 HP motorcycle to it's full potential on the street, and most could not ride it to its full potential on a track.   A top-level road racer could probably whip 90% of even the WG crowd on a track, riding a 50 HP bike and them on a 100 HP bike.

By the time you're talking 140 HP bikes, it's even more useless.   Almost no one can take full advantage of that on the street, and fewer on the track.   

It's really all about bragging rights and bench racing.   That's fun and maybe worth paying for if that's your thing, but when it comes to tracks and timing slips, horsepower and torque are seldom the discriminators among anyone WE might meet.   And on the street, it's all about how much risk are you willing to take, not how "fast" you can go relative to the other guy ....

Lannis 

[bad Chad]

If MG doesn't put the 850cc motor in a V7 looking bike, I might just watch the salvage auctions for a wrecked V9 from which to translate in the motor into my V7R.

I suspect they will, they almo have with the v7iii.   I'm interested to hear how the new hemi 750 makes power compared to the very old school  heron head.

[boatdetective]

The improvements are nice. The added visual weight of the new seats are a big plus. I agree that seeing these machines in the flesh makes a real difference. Never thought i'd say it.  The tank is cool looking and unique. I'm a bit disappointed with the heads- they seem plain.  It would seem to me that they should command a bit more attention.

I would think that the new head/crown design will allow for reasonable improvements from new exhausts. The heron head was limiting in terms of flow.

[swooshdave]

Most people cannot ride a 50 HP motorcycle to it's full potential on the street, and most could not ride it to its full potential on a track.   A top-level road racer could probably whip 90% of even the WG crowd on a track, riding a 50 HP bike and them on a 100 HP bike.
Lannis

There was an old Brit bike dealer here who use to say that Dick Mann could beat most people at motocross on a pogo stick... he was probably right.

[aschem]

Sent email to Piaggio USA; no reply as of today, but I hope to get a reply later this week.

[JJ]

"Smoother...is always faster" - - from Keith Code's Superbike School...

On another subject, the V9 Bobber is actually cool, (IMHO), big fat front tire and all...and they do look much better in person! 

[Testarossa]

Regarding levels of skill:  When I was at SKI Magazine our art director was Chuck Queener, previously of Road & Track and a past president of the Ferrari Club of America. He had done some SCCA racing but never bragged about anything. I had been through the Jim Russell School in Formula Fords and thought I knew how to find the apex of a turn.

One night we went out to a kart track in Las Vegas -- one of those deals where you pay $5 for 20 laps in something with a Briggs & Stratton engine.  I thought my kart had a little more poop because I won the spring to the first corner. Then Chuck passed me on the outside in turn 2 and the next time I saw him was when he lapped me, after about six circuits. And again after 12 circuits. And again after 18 circuits.

Each time he passed he giggled a bit and wiggled two fingers.

[Rough Edge racing]

Probably true.

My observations and experience tell me, however, that outside of a VERY few highly skilled people, that the RESULT of all this horsepower and torque (which is to make the motorcycle go fast) is used only to make more noise, and engender more bragging rights.   That's what people are really buying, although they'll never admit it.

Most people cannot ride a 50 HP motorcycle to it's full potential on the street, and most could not ride it to its full potential on a track.   A top-level road racer could probably whip 90% of even the WG crowd on a track, riding a 50 HP bike and them on a 100 HP bike.

By the time you're talking 140 HP bikes, it's even more useless.   Almost no one can take full advantage of that on the street, and fewer on the track.   

It's really all about bragging rights and bench racing.   That's fun and maybe worth paying for if that's your thing, but when it comes to tracks and timing slips, horsepower and torque are seldom the discriminators among anyone WE might meet.   And on the street, it's all about how much risk are you willing to take, not how "fast" you can go relative to the other guy ....

Lannis

 Hmmm, riding with my friend Petrus Rocks ,as he's know here, on the rural back roads we're often using about 70 percent of the throttle on bikes like a Buell and 900 Ducati....and sometimes full throttle in third and fourth up to about 80 MPH...Sporting. I for sure am not more than an average rider...It's less demanding on the road to use 40 HP of an 80 HP engine than use 40 HP of a 40 HP engine winding the piss out it and hunched over the tank......I find it thrilling... and dangerous I suppose, to twist the grip to the stop and hang on...I know there's others here who like the feel of acceleration...like it alot....
 No ones needs  100 hp bike or 500 HP car....But sometimes life to to F ing short not to need it...
 

[aschem]

I'll keep riding my Buells (Stt and XT) until I find a new Roamer and then I'll take a road trip to a MG dealer and check em out.

[Penderic]

Yes! You can feel the difference .....


 

[Huzo]

I haven't followed the thread so sorry if I cross over someone. I'd love to see a V7 scaled up physically enough to swallow a V9 donk, twin front discs (don't care if it needs them or not), polish the black rims and engine drive train to bare aluminium, one of those SS 900 Ducati look alike fairings that you can get for them and piss the number plates off. Also bring the displacement in the region of 850 cc and call it the V8, I don't reckon they could make enough of them. I think I'd sell the Mk 2 and get one.

[jas67]

Or....just keep the V7R and buy a Griso...or one of these classic roadsters!! (90+HP, fuel-injected, 992cc, 4-valve-OHC)   :1:  NOTE:  No issue with "not enough horsepower" or torque with this beast! (LOL)

I've got the Monster 796, which has plenty of torque and HP.

The R-Nine-T keeps calling out to me too, esp. the new Racer version:


A local riding buddy just got one.   He's coming over this afternoon to swap the all season tires back on my car (winter tires on it now) for me, since I've got a 10# lifting restriction after my surgery.
I'm thinking I'll get to see his new bike in person.

I know there are those here who think the boxer has no character, but, I've ridden the regular R-Nine-T, and think it has plenty of character.   I don't know if that bike had aftermarket exhaust or not.   I suspect it might have had an Akropovic.

[jas67]

JJ, fwiw some who have ridden both have suggested the difference between the V7 and V9 is more than specs suggest.

As for Jay and a Griso, I suspect his Duc and F800 give him anything he wants in terms of power with less weight and his V7's give him the Guzzi character.

That is a correct statement.    The Duc and F800 are definitely at the sweet spot for me as far as weight and power.   I also very much enjoy the Guzzi character of both my V7's, and look forward to enjoying the character of the Eldorado, even thought it is a bit heavier than the rest of my stable.

I'd maybe enjoy my V7R a little more with a little more torque, but, truth be known, it likely wouldn't be worth the work.

[JJ]

I've got the Monster 796, which has plenty of torque and HP.

The R-Nine-T keeps calling out to me too, esp. the new Racer version:


A local riding buddy just got one.   He's coming over this afternoon to swap the all season tires back on my car (winter tires on it now) for me, since I've got a 10# lifting restriction after my surgery.
I'm thinking I'll get to see his new bike in person.

I know there are those here who think the boxer has no character, but, I've ridden the regular R-Nine-T, and think it has plenty of character.   I don't know if that bike had aftermarket exhaust or not.   I suspect it might have had an Akropovic.

No question about the Nine-T...and some say it is BMW's answer to the Griso. I have owned and ridden 4 air head / oil head Beemers and have no issues with them at all.  Good bikes, overall. 

Here is a vintage one that I had fun with a few years ago...1978 R100RS "Motorsport Edition"....with >$10K performance upgrades from CC Products in San Jose, CA....another classic!

[aschem]

I just saw that MG USA now has $1,000.00 rebate on Roamers and Bobbers. Sure wish the new model was here right now!

[bacongrease]

ooooohhh...MG now selling Lifestyle. 

  Do they really want you guys as a model?


 

[aschem]

Just received an email from Piaggio USA and they said "The New Revised Roamer should be orderable now from your local Moto Guzzi dealer." I wonder if the dealers know this?

[LowRyter]

I've got the Monster 796, which has plenty of torque and HP.

The R-Nine-T keeps calling out to me too, esp. the new Racer version:


A local riding buddy just got one.   He's coming over this afternoon to swap the all season tires back on my car (winter tires on it now) for me, since I've got a 10# lifting restriction after my surgery.
I'm thinking I'll get to see his new bike in person.

I know there are those here who think the boxer has no character, but, I've ridden the regular R-Nine-T, and think it has plenty of character.   I don't know if that bike had aftermarket exhaust or not.   I suspect it might have had an Akropovic.

hmmm, where I've seen that before?   Those beemer guys are so cutting edge....but, but, but



I suppose a weak imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. 

[Lannis]

hmmm, where I've seen that before?   Those beemer guys are so cutting edge....but, but, but



I suppose a weak imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

And I thought this was a thread about "Roamers on the MG Website"?

There's NOTHING in this quoted post about a Roamer or the MG Website.   It's a BMW and a Guzzi sport bike, from what I can see.

No, no, I can't go any further.   I can't take the 2-foot stick up my jacksie that you have to have installed to be an official Wild Guzzi Thread Content Policeman.   I'll have to leave it to others .... 

Lannis

[KiwiKev]

Lol [emoji13]

In Melbourne with no Guzzi dealers nearby so my boy and I walked town to a HD dealership. Full of the usual scrap iron but I saw a couple of 500cc models there. Why would they bother making such a small bike ? No idea what the specs are.


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[Kev m]

Lol [emoji13]

In Melbourne with no Guzzi dealers nearby so my boy and I walked town to a HD dealership. Full of the usual scrap iron but I saw a couple of 500cc models there. Why would they bother making such a small bike ? No idea what the specs are.


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Asia, India, Brazil, any country with tiered licensing, petite customers, and North American rider training and intro product markets.

And see:

https://www.revzilla.com/common-tread/why-some-riders-are-downsizing-to-smaller-motorcycles

[Lannis]

Asia, India, Brazil, any country with tiered licensing, petite customers, and North American rider training and intro product markets.

And see:

https://www.revzilla.com/common-tread/why-some-riders-are-downsizing-to-smaller-motorcycles

In my case, older men who have done all the 120 MPH bragging and strutting that they're going to do in their lives, who don't see the point in holding up an extra 300 pounds at every stop, and who remember accurately the days when they used to ride everywhere that they ride now, but on a 350cc motorcycle ....

Lannis