Eric Clapton - A life in 12 bars

[giusto]

Frank , the is a giant pavilion and a stage at Cedar Vale , come on , we can figure something out 

 Dusty

Dusty,
This is sounding like a good idea. When is Cedar Vale? I'll send you a pm....lets see where this goes.

[pebra]

You've got to love what Clapton, The Stones, etc did for all the US Blues artists, they stole from them, admitted their crimes, and then helped put them back onto their rightful place in the musical legacy of the US.  I so enjoy getting lost in the wormhole of Clapton YouTubes, especially the Crossroad festivals where guys like Vince Gill and Sonny Landreth get to show what incredible guitar slingers they really are.  He even brings out James Burton, and lets not forget Keith Urban

Well put!
Why bother discussing what's basically a matter of taste? Oh wait, it's still February...... 

[giusto]

Earl Cate and Jimmy Thackery come to mind . We had a young fella here , Mike Antle , who was a seriously talented guitar slinger and singer . Unfortunately he left us at a young age before gaining any recognition outside of the area .

 
 OK , although that is a a matter of taste . Gatemouth Brown wasn't the cleanest picker ever , and yet his style was undeniable . Hendrix (go ahead , flame away)  was often so sloppy it sounded more like a rough rehearsal than a polished performance , no one ever complained about that . Until the drugs started messing him up , Terry Kath could hold his own with anyone .

 Dusty

Living favorites still performing...The Mighty Flyers when Alex Schultz and Bill Stuves were on board....Little Charlie (Nightcats), Kid Ramos, Dave Hole, Chris Cain is a monster and Duke Robillard can play all styles within the genre

[oldbike54]

Dusty,
This is sounding like a good idea. When is Cedar Vale? I'll send you a pm....lets see where this goes.

 I'll just bump the 50 some odd page thread up 

 Dusty

[Dukedesmo]

I'm a big Clapton fan and have seen him play a few times. What I like is that he always has great 'guest' guitarists playing with him eg; Derek Trucks, Albert Lee, Robert Cray, Doyle Bramhall etc. so a kind of 2 (or even 3) for 1 deal...   

[LowRyter]

Don't forget Jimmy Thudpucker

[kidneb]

This is Cream, and I can`t  trace much of a boring 12 bars recipe blues here. Neither can i imagine anyone "outplaying" any of the three in this heaven-sent constellation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTZ4IYPy_cE

I`m so glad I made it to London in 1967 at the age of 16, and spent a long weekend together with my 3 year older sister at the Royal Windsor Racecourse.
The sound system wasn't the best, but we were there ! http://www.ukrockfestivals.com/1967-windsor-festival.html

         

[rodekyll]

One thing a lot of bands break up over is the concept of "outplaying" or outsinging each other.  Playing music is not a race.  In fact, you lose points if you finish first.

EC and a lot of the others we're discussing were mainly session and studio musicians.  You see EC sitting in on a lot of recordings for groups he never joined, and he's happy to be joined by random others for songs and sets.  He's about his craft, not the glam.  I remember his performance energy reviewed once as "loitering on stage".  I'd argue that you don't need nekkid wimmins strutting around, pyrotechnics, or smashing guitars to make music. 

[john fish]

One of the most boring blues guitarists of all time.

I agree.  Never quite understood the fascination.  Maybe it's like Pat Boone covering "Tutti Frutti". 

[rodekyll]

I agree.  Never quite understood the fascination.  Maybe it's like Pat Boone covering "Tutti Frutti".

Yeah, but EC trying to be less "boring" might look like when Pat Boone went through his "leather boy" phase, sometime after Tutti Frutti.  Now that was a romance repellant!   

[LowRyter]

This is Cream, and I can`t  trace much of a boring 12 bars recipe blues here. Neither can i imagine anyone "outplaying" any of the three in this heaven-sent constellation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTZ4IYPy_cE

I`m so glad I made it to London in 1967 at the age of 16, and spent a long weekend together with my 3 year older sister at the Royal Windsor Racecourse.
The sound system wasn't the best, but we were there ! http://www.ukrockfestivals.com/1967-windsor-festival.html

         

I'm so glad
I'm so glad
I'm glad, I'm glad, I'm glad
Don't know what to do
Don't know what to do
Don't know what to do
Tired of weeping
Tired of moaning
Tired of groaning for you
I'm so glad
I'm so glad
I'm glad, I'm glad, I'm glad
Tired of weeping
Tired of moaning
Tired of groaning for you
I'm so glad
I'm so glad
I'm glad, I'm glad, I'm glad
I'm so glad





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really?

[jlburgess]

I'm watching the AXS TV special "Clapton the 70's" review right now.  I'm a hippie child of the 60's so I always enjoy the old footage.  I saw him live once in about '93 and it was the most boring show I had ever seen in an arena.  He might be a great studio musician but just doesn't do it for me either.  He basically sponged good riffs and a wife from the real genuises.  A two hit wonder?   

[rodekyll]

I'm so glad
I'm so glad
I'm glad, I'm glad, I'm glad
Don't know what to do
Don't know what to do
Don't know what to do
Tired of weeping
Tired of moaning
Tired of groaning for you
I'm so glad
I'm so glad
I'm glad, I'm glad, I'm glad
Tired of weeping
Tired of moaning
Tired of groaning for you
I'm so glad
I'm so glad
I'm glad, I'm glad, I'm glad
I'm so glad





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really?

Yeah, sometimes they feel the need to put voices into the music, but often there's just no good way to do it.   When you try writing the words for 12-bar blues, you need to have something on the ball.  I wonder about what people see in some of the legendary lyricists.  Jim Morrison was one I never "got" with the lyrics of most of his songs -- clumsy, obvious, common.  Easy to follow through the haze of inebriation, but banal in every respect.  What the Doors had going for them was a formidable keyboardist.  If Morrison hadn't been otherwise notorious, you wouldn't know who it is I'm talking about.

[oldbike54]

I'm so glad
I'm so glad
I'm glad, I'm glad, I'm glad
Don't know what to do
Don't know what to do
Don't know what to do
Tired of weeping
Tired of moaning
Tired of groaning for you
I'm so glad
I'm so glad
I'm glad, I'm glad, I'm glad
Tired of weeping
Tired of moaning
Tired of groaning for you
I'm so glad
I'm so glad
I'm glad, I'm glad, I'm glad
I'm so glad





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really?

 It's a really old blues song , I heard Gatemouth perform it in a much different way with a completely different feel . No idea who wrote it .

 Dusty

[Guzzistajohn]

Clapton is one of the greatest of all time. "real" guitar players know when NOT to play. It's about the style cats!

[oldbike54]

Clapton is one of the greatest of all time. "real" guitar players know when NOT to play. It's about the style cats!

 Yep , I'd rather listen to Paul Butterfield play the harp than John Popper .

 Dusty

[giusto]

One thing a lot of bands break up over is the concept of "outplaying" or outsinging each other.  Playing music is not a race.  In fact, you lose points if you finish first.

EC and a lot of the others we're discussing were mainly session and studio musicians.  You see EC sitting in on a lot of recordings for groups he never joined, and he's happy to be joined by random others for songs and sets.  He's about his craft, not the glam.  I remember his performance energy reviewed once as "loitering on stage".  I'd argue that you don't need nekkid wimmins strutting around, pyrotechnics, or smashing guitars to make music.

exactly why EC joined Delaney & Bonnie....to move away from the Glam/star groups...that said none of the folks I have mentioned would be considered studio or session musicians. Most genius comes with baggage...EC had his fair share and some nights may not have known he was even on stage.

"Playing music is not a race.  In fact, you lose points if you finish first"  or of you play too many notes....economy and tone...driven from the fingers, hands and soul...a la BB King...I miss BB... "the most boring of the 12 bar culprits" He gave us a lesson on grooves...listen to "Spotlight on Lucille"...this was a gift from BB to anyone studying the music.

[giusto]

It's a really old blues song , I heard Gatemouth perform it in a much different way with a completely different feel . No idea who wrote it .

 Dusty

Dusty

Skip James

who wrote spoonful?...that's an easy one...no cheating

[oldbike54]

Dusty

Skip James

who wrote spoonful?...that's an easy one...no cheating

 Uncle Willie D . There was a giant .

 Dusty

[Guzzistajohn]

Yep , I'd rather listen to Paul Butterfield play the harp than John Popper .

 Dusty

Popper tries waaaaay to hard. He's gonna blow a gasket someday

[giusto]

Uncle Willie D . There was a giant .

 Dusty

absolutely.. figuratively and literally...at 6'6" 250 and Illinois State Boxing champ...just imagine him and Chester Burnett 6'3" in a bar room brawl! but as you say...Willie had as much to do with the advancement of Chicago blues than anyone...it's easy to look back and recreate...but these guys drove the creation...innovato rs.

[LowRyter]

It's a really old blues song , I heard Gatemouth perform it in a much different way with a completely different feel . No idea who wrote it .

 Dusty

Dusty,  I only quoted it because KIDNB he said "I`m so glad I made it to London in 1967 at the age of 16, and spent a long weekend together with my 3 year older sister at the Royal Windsor Racecourse."

When he saw Cream.  I believe he had a double meaning there............   

[kingoffleece]

Willie, Wolf, and Muddy.  All you need to ever know about the blues right there.
Give EC full props-he understood the underlying feel of the blues.  That said, when it became all about the guitar it went away.
Listen to Sumlin play behind Wolf-breathtaking.

I got to back up Jimmy Johnson, Kim Wilson, Thackary, Chuck Jackson, Paul Mark, Jonny Winter, and quite a few others.
Opened for Robert C, Buddy G, DownChild, Thunderbirds, Duke R, Roomful, and lots of others.

The one that stands out the most was playing with Cary Bell, who played with a lot of the first wave of Chicago players and was married to Willy Dixon's daughter.  Now THOSE were special nights-BIG TIME.

[Gian4]

I wonder what kind of oil Eric uses??? 

Gian4

[oldbike54]

I wonder what kind of oil Eric uses??? 

Gian4

 Cotton seed 

 Dusty

[PJPR01]

Cotton seed 

 Dusty

Flax seed...but only in E minor...very hard to find, only sold in specialty stores!

[luthier]

Willie, Wolf, and Muddy.  All you need to ever know about the blues right there.
Give EC full props-he understood the underlying feel of the blues.  That said, when it became all about the guitar it went away.
Listen to Sumlin play behind Wolf-breathtaking.

I got to back up Jimmy Johnson, Kim Wilson, Thackary, Chuck Jackson, Paul Mark, Jonny Winter, and quite a few others.
Opened for Robert C, Buddy G, DownChild, Thunderbirds, Duke R, Roomful, and lots of others.

The one that stands out the most was playing with Cary Bell, who played with a lot of the first wave of Chicago players and was married to Willy Dixon's daughter.  Now THOSE were special nights-BIG TIME.

Yes Sumlin is my hero.
Wow you've paid yer dues mate. Are there any recordings of you we could access?

[Chuck in Indiana]

Clapton is one of the greatest of all time. "real" guitar players know when NOT to play. It's about the style cats!

(ahem) most white boys play too much. <shrug>

[PJPR01]

Ok...since we've veered off Clapton...here's another one of my favorites:

Byther Smith...Chicago Blues at its best

https://youtu.be/tAPdSLVIcCI?list=PLiK4NgR7dkKMIVBvPSeo25St498uIxm-T

[Chuck in Indiana]

Yes Sumlin is my hero.
Wow you've paid yer dues mate. Are there any recordings of you we could access?

I had no idea..