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Prince of Darkness Cards
« on: January 11, 2018, 11:36:03 AM »
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Re: Prince of Darkness Cards
« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2018, 12:10:36 PM »
Lucas actually made some good stuff, I cut my teeth on it as an apprentice.
I don't remember having too much trouble getting a generator to work and the starters were dead simple.

Strangely enough my 72 Eldorado has a Lucas starter with the solenoid underneath instead of on top like a Bosch
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Re: Prince of Darkness Cards
« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2018, 01:12:53 PM »
80's smallblocks had Lucas starters.
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Re: Prince of Darkness Cards
« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2018, 01:15:07 PM »
The headlight switch for my MGB had three positions: dim, flicker, and off.

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Re: Prince of Darkness Cards
« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2018, 01:21:45 PM »
I worked on an MGB GT that belonged to a buddy of mine - the battery had a positive ground, and you pulled the engine to change the clutch.
Could be the timing chain or the kickstand spring

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Re: Prince of Darkness Cards
« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2018, 01:57:57 PM »
My 73Eldorado has a Bosch starter with the solenoid under it also.
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Re: Prince of Darkness Cards
« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2018, 05:12:53 PM »
I found a Lucas Tee-Shirt a few years ago. It was only available in black...
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« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2018, 08:39:18 PM »
I have a t-shirt that says "Lucas quality electric lighting sets" - "Prince of Darkness".

and it has a quote from Joseph Lucas (1834-1903) : A Gentleman does not motor about after dark." 

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Re: Prince of Darkness Cards
« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2018, 11:30:45 PM »
LMAO!!!! Can't help it when someone brings up Lucas, the Prince of Darkness.

For a moment from the title of the thread, I thought it was Ozzy! Maybe because I'm watching a Sabbath documentary.

Bosh for Loops should have the solenoid down so that it would clear the 4 speed clutch cable mount.

Dim, flicker, off....Only available in black!!!! snicker, snicker LMAO!!

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Re: Prince of Darkness Cards
« Reply #9 on: January 12, 2018, 08:30:37 AM »
Had my small block starter motor checked out 2xs . Would just get a click sound intermittently. Finally checked it myself to detect the location of the sound. 5 min. With a mechanics sretescope and found the plastic end cap on the Lucas starter had prongs to hold in place. They had distorted and would not allow the plunger to engage.  Boy, that was a really expensive " easy fix"
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Re: Prince of Darkness Cards
« Reply #10 on: January 12, 2018, 08:37:43 AM »
A few years ago at the Vegas vintage motorcycle auctions, some vendor was selling those "Prince of Darkness" T-shirts and I regret not buying one! :laugh: :grin: :wink:  If I see one this year....I am going to buy it! :cool:

Quote from Joseph Lucas (1834-1903): "A Gentleman does not motor about after dark." 

Brilliant... :huh: :shocked: :wink: OK - Some of these are "bad"...but also funny!! :laugh: :grin: :wink:





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Re: Prince of Darkness Cards
« Reply #11 on: January 12, 2018, 03:49:26 PM »
I had a '62 Triumph TR4 and a '57 TR3 for a combined 25 years and the electric was great because it was unbelievably simply.  Never stranded for long.  These car didn't need much more than what was in those cards to get you on the road again.  Now, the electrics on my '78 Bonneville was a different story...
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Re: Prince of Darkness Cards
« Reply #12 on: January 12, 2018, 05:34:05 PM »
Lucas actually made some good stuff, I cut my teeth on it as an apprentice.
I don't remember having too much trouble getting a generator to work and the starters were dead simple.

Strangely enough my 72 Eldorado has a Lucas starter with the solenoid underneath instead of on top like a Bosch

Its was more in combination with some of the dip!@#$ wiring solutions the British automotive industry used made them fairly crap when they got a few years on them. Prime example the Landrover 110 / Defender and sadly this is not what you'd call and old model and had a production run of over 30 years. You can put the power for the headlights through a relay like any other manufacturer that can breath and talk at the same time or you can put all that power through the switch/stalk. Works long enough to get out of warrantee 5 years down the track yep umm ha ha. Guzzi mainly in the Detasmo era weren't exactly immune to these ideas.

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Re: Prince of Darkness Cards
« Reply #13 on: January 12, 2018, 06:06:30 PM »
Lucas got the blame, but outdoor storage, heavy vibration, and modified wiring harnesses deserves the blame. Even the Asian-sourced Lucas components are pretty good. My '71 TR6R's wiring was a hot mess when I started getting in to it.

On the other hand, I'm glad I don't have to rely on a Lucas Zener Diode these days...
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Re: Prince of Darkness Cards
« Reply #14 on: January 16, 2018, 03:03:32 AM »
You used to be able to buy cans of Genuine Lucas Smoke.

Everyone knows that when the smoke leaks out of the wire it stops conducting electricity. Replace the smoke and, voila!
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Re: Prince of Darkness Cards
« Reply #15 on: January 16, 2018, 07:22:48 AM »
A few years ago at the Vegas vintage motorcycle auctions, some vendor was selling those "Prince of Darkness" T-shirts and I regret not buying one! :laugh: :grin: :wink:  If I see one this year....I am going to buy it! :cool:

Quote from Joseph Lucas (1834-1903): "A Gentleman does not motor about after dark." 

Brilliant... :huh: :shocked: :wink:
I felt compelled to gift my BIL and FIL each with one of those shirts after they supplied an extension cord to hot wire the headlamps on my AH Sprite one dark and chilly night so Teresa and I could get home.
Think those shirts are still available at Moss or Victoria British....will check for you.
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Re: Prince of Darkness Cards
« Reply #16 on: January 16, 2018, 09:43:27 AM »
I felt compelled to gift my BIL and FIL each with one of those shirts after they supplied an extension cord to hot wire the headlamps on my AH Sprite one dark and chilly night so Teresa and I could get home.
Think those shirts are still available at Moss or Victoria British....will check for you.
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Thanks, and I will also check when I go to Vegas next week... :cool:
By the way, this is the last Meriden Triumph I owned, a "fully restored" 1970 T100C Trophy 500...should have kept that one!  It had all the correct Lucas bits...and if they are maintained and cared after...they are fine! :wink:










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« Reply #17 on: January 16, 2018, 09:47:14 AM »
A beauty, JJ!
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« Reply #18 on: January 16, 2018, 09:48:33 AM »



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« Reply #19 on: January 16, 2018, 09:53:21 AM »
Poor Joseph Lucas...what a legacy... :laugh: :grin: :wink:







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« Reply #20 on: January 16, 2018, 09:54:31 AM »
Yes indeed, my 63 MGB had two 6 volt batteries in series I believe under the back bench, with positive ground.  The first time I stopped to give a friend a jump start, it took us over an  hour and several phone calls to figure out how to do it. :grin:

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Re: Prince of Darkness Cards
« Reply #21 on: January 16, 2018, 12:10:19 PM »
A few years ago at the Vegas vintage motorcycle auctions, some vendor was selling those "Prince of Darkness" T-shirts and I regret not buying one! :laugh: :grin: :wink:  If I see one this year....I am going to buy it! :cool:

Quote from Joseph Lucas (1834-1903): "A Gentleman does not motor about after dark." 

Brilliant... :huh: :shocked: :wink:

Me too.  I think it was at a national Guzzi rally in Grass Valley, Ca I saw the shirt.  It had a picture of the classic Lucas headlight switch with the three positions marked as "OFF, DIM, FLICKER"!

Why didn't I buy it?

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Re: Prince of Darkness Cards
« Reply #22 on: January 16, 2018, 01:30:42 PM »
Here is my Lucas tee...



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« Reply #23 on: January 16, 2018, 02:55:15 PM »
I worked on an MGB GT that belonged to a buddy of mine - the battery had a positive ground, and you pulled the engine to change the clutch.

My nephew has a Triumph GT6 that was positive ground. We hung a GM alternator on it (I always use an early 70's Nova unit for simplicity) and we switched it to negative groundwith 12 volts. Everyone tried to warn me that the starter would spin backwards, but that is not true.
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« Reply #24 on: January 16, 2018, 02:56:48 PM »
On a more positive note, at least he is immortalized here...in his home town.







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« Reply #25 on: January 16, 2018, 03:33:42 PM »
  Everyone tried to warn me that the starter would spin backwards, but that is not true.
If it was a Valeo with permanent magnet fields it would have run backwards, something like a Bosch or Lucas with series fields doesn't care because they flip poles at the same time.
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Re: Prince of Darkness Cards
« Reply #26 on: January 16, 2018, 11:53:33 PM »
My '71 TR6R's wiring was a hot mess when I started getting in to it.

I had a girlfriend who was a hot mess.
Her name wasn't Lucas though...
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Re: Prince of Darkness Cards
« Reply #27 on: January 18, 2018, 06:27:15 AM »
I had a girlfriend who was a hot mess.
Her name wasn't Lucas though...
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Perhaps her name was...."Flow?" (Meter) :laugh: :grin: :wink:
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« Reply #28 on: January 18, 2018, 07:41:36 AM »
My 73 TR6 had her entire wiring harness replaced. I expect it to last...at least a couple more years.
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Re: Prince of Darkness Cards
« Reply #29 on: January 18, 2018, 08:50:02 AM »
You can find several shirts offered online by googling "lucas prince of darkness t shirt price".

I never had much trouble with Lucas electrics that wasn't owner-inflicted.

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