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Captain Kangaroo
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« on: February 10, 2006, 10:23:46 AM » |
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I have seen a 03 EV's lower fork stem crack, one crack to the right, one crack to the left. Please check your California, and let me know on this post. Also, please note the week and year, paint-stamped on the underside of the part.  |
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« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2006, 10:29:51 AM » |
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Oh Oh!!! That does not look good  |
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« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2006, 10:58:29 AM » |
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This topic was brought to the attention of the Piaggio people at the November dealer meeting in Denver by Larry Kline.
He even had at least one sample such as this with him. Piaggio knows about this but time will tell whether anyone will die before they do something.
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« Reply #3 on: February 10, 2006, 11:09:08 AM » |
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« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2006, 11:42:20 AM » |
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That's just cosmetic. (not)  |
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« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2006, 01:06:10 PM » |
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That's just cosmetic. (not) as in 'You'll need cosmetic surgery after it fails during use' |
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« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2006, 01:12:32 PM » |
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Any idea on the rate of occurance? How many units have been affected?  |
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« Reply #7 on: February 10, 2006, 01:23:26 PM » |
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Any idea on the rate of occurance? How many units have been affected? That's what we are hoping to find out. I see where you have a 2003 EV. Did you check it? what is the paint stamp on it? Lets just say more than one so far...... |
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« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2006, 01:47:59 PM » |
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Any idea on the rate of occurance? How many units have been affected? That's what we are hoping to find out. I see where you have a 2003 EV. Did you check it? what is the paint stamp on it? Lets just say more than one so far...... hey, how's mr. greenjeans?  seriously, how about some specifics . . . who are "we" and how do they know about the failures? also is this just a problem with the 03 californias and is there a special date of mfr. to look for on the part? |
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« Reply #9 on: February 10, 2006, 03:40:53 PM » |
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Ahoy Captain, Is this a pic from your EV? |
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« Reply #10 on: February 10, 2006, 05:27:51 PM » |
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Holy cow, Batman!!! Just checked Pete's '03 EV, and guess what??? Yuppers, a crack on either side, just like the photo. Less than 2K on the bike, number stamp is 05 03.
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« Reply #11 on: February 10, 2006, 05:34:28 PM » |
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Just looked at mine. Had the same cracks and the same numbers---what next?
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« Reply #12 on: February 10, 2006, 05:54:04 PM » |
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Any idea on the rate of occurance? How many units have been affected? That's what we are hoping to find out. I see where you have a 2003 EV. Did you check it? what is the paint stamp on it? Lets just say more than one so far...... My bike is in the shop right now being prepped, I've asked them to check it for me. Bummer. Looks like a manufacturing defect rather than a road use failure. I wonder if the Captain has contacted Piaggio with the problem? Seems to me a photo of the failed part might get someone's attention...maybe. Could be a poor casting, or improper fit of the insert. Either way it could be serious trouble if the unit catastrophically failed on the road. Not what I wanted to see that's for sure. |
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« Reply #13 on: February 10, 2006, 06:10:19 PM » |
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How about 2004's? I'll get into the garage over the weekend and take a look. Thanks for the heads-up.
Steve.
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« Reply #14 on: February 10, 2006, 06:27:12 PM » |
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Mine says 24 01. No cracks that I can tell on my Stone.
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« Reply #15 on: February 10, 2006, 06:41:49 PM » |
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How about '02s? I'll check mine.
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« Reply #16 on: February 10, 2006, 06:44:57 PM » |
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Can someone explain exactly where this is? Is it the underside of the fork head or the fork base. I have a 2003 touring. If it's the part I think it is, mine says 05 03. No cracks.
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« Reply #17 on: February 10, 2006, 06:47:08 PM » |
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Yeah, the underside. Mine's fine on the '02. Lusky it doesn't seem to affect my year? Who noticed this? It's not a part of the bike I would normally check out, being kind of hidden and all.
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« Reply #18 on: February 10, 2006, 06:47:15 PM » |
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I'm wondering if that sleeve is pressed in or part of the original casting. In the picture, the sleeve is cracked as well. This being the case, there is more here than a manufacturing defect. Something exerted enough force to crack the sleeve and follow into the casting. If the sleeve is not a separate piece then my theory is bunk.
Ernie
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« Reply #19 on: February 10, 2006, 06:57:32 PM » |
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16 02 No cracks...................yet? ? |
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« Reply #20 on: February 10, 2006, 07:44:43 PM » |
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Well my '04 Stone is cracked code 26 03
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« Reply #21 on: February 10, 2006, 07:48:33 PM » |
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I'm wondering if that sleeve is pressed in or part of the original casting. In the picture, the sleeve is cracked as well. This being the case, there is more here than a manufacturing defect. Something exerted enough force to crack the sleeve and follow into the casting. If the sleeve is not a separate piece then my theory is bunk.
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It sure looks to be a pressed sleeve to me and it would appear to be a manufacturing defect. It's as though the insert was a tad oversized and stressed the casting to the point of fracture. Evidently Pete's '03 EV only has 2,000 mile on it and the part is damaged. |
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« Reply #22 on: February 10, 2006, 07:57:24 PM » |
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I have a 2004 EV11 Touring and it is cracked just like the photo also. The numbers are 05 03. Does anybody know if anybody has wrecked because of these cracks?
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« Reply #23 on: February 10, 2006, 07:59:08 PM » |
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This topic was brought to the attention of the Piaggio people at the November dealer meeting in Denver by Larry Kline.
He even had at least one sample such as this with him. Piaggio knows about this but time will tell whether anyone will die before they do something.
Well it's certainly more than '03 Ev's as I'm looking at a '04 stone with the concern as well but i guess '03 is the build date on the part (26 03) |
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« Reply #24 on: February 10, 2006, 08:24:08 PM » |
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I'm wondering if that sleeve is pressed in or part of the original casting. In the picture, the sleeve is cracked as well. This being the case, there is more here than a manufacturing defect. Something exerted enough force to crack the sleeve and follow into the casting. If the sleeve is not a separate piece then my theory is bunk.
Ernie
In known cases so far it has only the 35 02 stamped part. This info coming in is very enlightening. The alloy part is a forging, the steel stem has not been shown to have any cracks or flaws. An engineering investigation may reveal the cause. One is underway at this time. details to follow as they develop. Please go check ALL late model Californias, this may be bigger than expected. |
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« Reply #25 on: February 10, 2006, 08:33:41 PM » |
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Well Capt. give us some insight - while I do not like the look of this i do not
see any cracks in the rest of the webing - is this a dangerous situation?
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« Reply #26 on: February 10, 2006, 08:36:25 PM » |
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16 02 - No cracks here.
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« Reply #27 on: February 10, 2006, 08:37:28 PM » |
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My 03 has no cracks code 07 02 7900miles
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« Reply #28 on: February 10, 2006, 08:37:37 PM » |
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Gussie's brand says 44-03, No crackos here. Thanks for the heads up Captain.  |
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« Reply #29 on: February 10, 2006, 08:45:52 PM » |
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Do the first two numbers represent the week of manufacture for the cast piece or the assembly of the bike? Mine would have been in early November '03 which coincides with what I remember the build date of the bike was. I actually have the factory invoice for her in the garage somewhere. Perhaps there was a range where discontent in the machine shop produced excessive inteference for the fit of the stem?
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« Reply #30 on: February 10, 2006, 09:07:31 PM » |
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Well, it's pretty obvious that either the bushing was too big in diameter, or the casting was bored too small.  |
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« Reply #31 on: February 10, 2006, 09:09:40 PM » |
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If y'all would stop acting like squids, doing those wheelies and stoppies and all, this wouldn't happen...
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« Reply #32 on: February 10, 2006, 09:12:36 PM » |
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aw not out of me - i'm still trying to figure out where to hang the bait bucket and mount the fishingrod holders
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« Reply #33 on: February 10, 2006, 09:56:12 PM » |
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I guess I'm a lucky duck. Mine's a 35-02 also but with no crack.
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Spoke too soon. It was cracked. Repaired by MPH, summer 06.
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« Reply #34 on: February 10, 2006, 09:59:10 PM » |
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2003 California SS, 25 02 , no cracks, 3,600 miles
Could someone please explain the #s
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« Reply #35 on: February 10, 2006, 10:08:16 PM » |
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1701, but its black painted and could be underneath, but I think I would have noticed when it was off for new bearings late 9/1 02 stone
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« Reply #36 on: February 10, 2006, 10:42:22 PM » |
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2003 California SS, 25 02 , no cracks, 3,600 miles
Could someone please explain the #s
week/year best I can tell - off to see the wizard tomorrow |
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« Reply #37 on: February 11, 2006, 01:15:19 AM » |
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36/00...no cracks...50753 miles.
Good thing too...going for a loooong ride tomorrow with some friends around the foothills. Weather is going to be perfect!
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« Reply #38 on: February 11, 2006, 02:38:30 AM » |
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This is not cool. My 2003 flat orange stone, 20 02, 3548 miles has no cracks or corrosion. Thank you very much for the heads up on this potentially bad situation. I would never have looked there. Peace.
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« Reply #39 on: February 11, 2006, 05:21:19 AM » |
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aw not out of me - i'm still trying to figure out where to hang the bait bucket and mount the fishingrod holders
5 gal. bucket on luggage rack bungied to backrest works for bait and misc. Cover is good idea. On my old Cal III my two rod holders were between the Givi Bags and rear fender. Hardly noticeable when the rods weren't sticking up. Trying to figure out where to put them on the new EV. Riding the Guzzi to go fishing always makes for a double-great day! |
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