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« on: August 16, 2010, 02:01:44 PM »
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Anyone have them?  I saw someone with the Stucchi made Norge version and he said they made the bike vibrate more.  The Breva/1200 Sport model looks smaller and might induce less tingles...anyone have them?  Thoughts?  I've been riding my bike to job sites a lot this summer and it's only a matter of time before the bike tips over parked in freshly turned soil.  Thanks.
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« Reply #1 on: August 16, 2010, 02:38:44 PM »
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I had said that the Stucchi Norge bars made my bike vibrate. Turns out my rear wheel was out of balance. When I balanced and mounted a new rear tire, the vibe disappeared. BTW the bars are stout enough to remove the rear wheel while on its side. I was also able to spin the bike around.
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« Reply #2 on: August 16, 2010, 02:41:05 PM »
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I have a set of Stucci on my Breva 1100, like them.
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« Reply #3 on: August 16, 2010, 02:43:25 PM »
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I use these from Hepco & Becker on my Breva 1100.  Purchased from Eurotech Motorsports of Chico, CA, four years ago.  They are beefy, install easily, and inobtrusive. Fortunately for me I haven't personally crash tested them.  Not sure this is the application you're looking for, but maybe it'll help someone else.





http://www.hepco-becker.de/anbauanleitungen/501507.0001.pdf

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http://www.eurotechmotorsports.com/forms/Query.cfm?do=detail&q_part=501%2E507%2000%2001
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« Reply #4 on: August 16, 2010, 03:01:49 PM »
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Another positive vote for the H&B bars.  Have 'em on my B1100.  Went on OK (the right one doesn't have much clearance when going on).  No additional vibration.  I have photos of my installation if interested.
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Another positive vote for the H&B bars.  Have 'em on my B1100.  Went on OK (the right one doesn't have much clearance when going on).  No additional vibration.  I have photos of my installation if interested.

That would be great!  I hadn't seen the HB's before I posted this.  Are they roughly the same price as the Stucchi's that MG Cycles sell?  They charge 124 for the Breva 1100/Breva 1200 verson and 137 for a slightly different 1200 Sport version.  The Norge version that MMMNorth has is gigantically beefy and while it looks great on the faired Norge, I am not so sure that version would look good on a more naked 1200 Sport. 
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« Reply #6 on: August 16, 2010, 03:09:56 PM »
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I too have the Hepco bars on my Breva 1100.  Already paid for themselves once.  I came out to the parking lot to go home and it was laying on the bars.  NO damage except some scratched paint on the bars.  I got mine from Eurotech also.  instructions were in German as I remember, but they were easy to install.

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Another positive vote for the H&B bars.  Have 'em on my B1100.  Went on OK (the right one doesn't have much clearance when going on).  No additional vibration.  I have photos of my installation if interested.

That would be great!  I hadn't seen the HB's before I posted this.  Are they roughly the same price as the Stucchi's that MG Cycles sell?  They charge 124 for the Breva 1100/Breva 1200 verson and 137 for a slightly different 1200 Sport version.  The Norge version that MMMNorth has is gigantically beefy and while it looks great on the faired Norge, I am not so sure that version would look good on a more naked 1200 Sport.  

Looks like they might be more expensive than the Stucchi's.  See link I added above in my post.
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I too have the Hepco bars on my Breva 1100.  I got mine from Eurotech also.  instructions were in German as I remember, but they were easy to install.

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« Reply #9 on: August 16, 2010, 03:20:35 PM »
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Becareful putting getting the right side upper bolt in place.  Might be easy to cross thread.  I started it by hand first.

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« Reply #10 on: August 16, 2010, 03:25:14 PM »
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How do the head guards (that attach directly to the head) work in a tip over?  They are less obtrusive than these crash guards, but obviously offer less protection.  Considering doing something to mine in the future one way or the other.
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« Reply #11 on: August 16, 2010, 03:57:49 PM »
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HB bars here too!





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HB bars here too!







Such a good looking bike outfitted like that.  The bars disappear with that color bike as well.  I'm a little afraid they'll stick out like tits on a boar hog if I put them on my 1200 Sport.  Did you tint the screen yourself or is that something other than the Guzzi Breva screen?   
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Such a good looking bike outfitted like that.  The bars disappear with that color bike as well.  I'm a little afraid they'll stick out like tits on a boar hog if I put them on my 1200 Sport.  Did you tint the screen yourself or is that something other than the Guzzi Breva screen?   

Why thanks - yes they do disappear into the black and gray color scheme - I like that about them.

The wind screen is the standard Breva OEM screen, painted black from the back-side (actually I used a spray tint meant for thericer crowd to black out their clear turn signals thinking it would be more translucent, I shoulda just used regular flat black spray paint). One unexpected advantage of the black screen is that it casts some shade over the instrument cluster allowing it to be more easily read in the sunlight.
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Such a good looking bike outfitted like that.  The bars disappear with that color bike as well.  I'm a little afraid they'll stick out like tits on a boar hog if I put them on my 1200 Sport.  Did you tint the screen yourself or is that something other than the Guzzi Breva screen?   

Why thanks - yes they do disappear into the black and gray color scheme - I like that about them.

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And, they look pretty fine on a red Breva 1100, too.  http://tinyurl.com/Breva-1100-Crash-bars-Plus

Tossed in a few gratuitous pix, too, but, hey, as character-and-behavior disorders go, that's fairly benign.   Cheesy

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And, they look pretty fine on a red Breva 1100, too. 

 
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And, they look pretty fine on a red Breva 1100, too.  http://tinyurl.com/Breva-1100-Crash-bars-Plus

Tossed in a few gratuitous pix, too, but, hey, as character-and-behavior disorders go, that's fairly benign.   Cheesy

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Those look good Bill.  I wish I'd gone with the Hepco Becker's rather than the Stucchi bars.  The Stucchi's are extremely protective but the powder coat on them flakes easily and they aren't exactly great looking. 
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And, they look pretty fine on a red Breva 1100, too.  http://tinyurl.com/Breva-1100-Crash-bars-Plus

Tossed in a few gratuitous pix, too, but, hey, as character-and-behavior disorders go, that's fairly benign.   Cheesy

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Capital Cycle in Sterling, Va.; http://capitalcycle.com/

Found 'em through Kev m's help here: http://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=42846.0, where you'll find part number, etc.

And, John, not sure how the'll hold up -- maybe the others who have 'em know -- but they are stout and appear to be well finished.

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Hold up to what?

Just hanging there in the wind and rain - no problem going on 4 years.

To doing their job? - hope not to say, but when I first got them someone on Guzzitech said they'd fared very well in a standing drop.
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Just hanging there in the wind and rain - no problem going on 4 years.

To doing their job? - hope not to say, but when I first got them someone on Guzzitech said they'd fared very well in a standing drop.

Kev,

I was responding to the "fit & finish" comment here:

Those look good Bill.  I wish I'd gone with the Hepco Becker's rather than the Stucchi bars.  The Stucchi's are extremely protective but the powder coat on them flakes easily and they aren't exactly great looking. 

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That's what I thought. For that I give em: 
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I had said that the Stucchi Norge bars made my bike vibrate. Turns out my rear wheel was out of balance. When I balanced and mounted a new rear tire, the vibe disappeared. BTW the bars are stout enough to remove the rear wheel while on its side. I was also able to spin the bike around.

I really can't tell from the pictures, but can you mount highway pegs on these Stucchi bars?
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I had said that the Stucchi Norge bars made my bike vibrate. Turns out my rear wheel was out of balance. When I balanced and mounted a new rear tire, the vibe disappeared. BTW the bars are stout enough to remove the rear wheel while on its side. I was also able to spin the bike around.

I really can't tell from the pictures, but can you mount highway pegs on these Stucchi bars?

I'll bet you could.  The Norge version is pretty elaborate and has multiple places you could dangle stuff from.  The 1200 Sport/Breva version is much abbreviated but I was eyeing them the other day thinking they might be a good place to mount driving lights to.

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I just did my Spring once-over, sit on the floor, check all the bolts, install the O2-optimizer, etc.  My HB bars look brand new.  No rust, corrosion, no discoloration, etc.
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I have looked at the Stucci bars and had been planning on getting a set.  Recently decided that it would be just as easy and lots less costly just to make some.  So thats the plan.  If...when...I ever get my wheel back from   "Frame Straight" I will be able to get it to the shop and figure out a set.  Will post pics when the job starts.   
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If you want something less intrusive - http://72.41.238.69/finebau.forge.html

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If you want something less intrusive - http://72.41.238.69/finebau.forge.html

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I like these.  Couple of questions left unanswered on the web page:
- two sets of valve cover gaskets required per side?
- slightly longer valve cover hold down bolts required?

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I have a set of Stucci Norge crash bars and would like to part with them.  They fit fine, and look great.  But on my bike they also change the vibration characteristics in a negative way.  At lower revs there is now little vibration but at middle revw, where I usually ride, there are vibes that are unpleasant.  I removed them and like to ride longer distances much better.  Besides, I never drop my bike so I'm not sure I need them.

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I have a set of Stucci Norge crash bars and would like to part with them. 
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I have a set of Stucci Norge crash bars and would like to part with them.  They fit fine, and look great.  But on my bike they also change the vibration characteristics in a negative way.  At lower revs there is now little vibration but at middle revw, where I usually ride, there are vibes that are unpleasant.  I removed them and like to ride longer distances much better.  Besides, I never drop my bike so I'm not sure I need them.

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I've been waiting for my local dealer to get some crash bars in for my Norge...but this is new news to me.  Why would the installation of the crash bars actually create more vibration...are the bolts holding them to the frame not stout enough or do they use existing bolts and hence are threaded in fewer threads once the crash bars are installed?  Thanks!
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Hi there, could you tell me was it easy fitting the Hepco&Becker crash bars to your Breva 1100? Do you need to support the engine when undoing the supports ?

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Hi there, could you tell me was it easy fitting the Hepco&Becker crash bars to your Breva 1100? Do you need to support the engine when undoing the supports ?

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It was pretty simple.

No need to support the motor in any way.

Just make sure you get it in position and start all the bolts before tightening any of them or it might be hard to seat it.
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Hey Kev, thank you for your reply. What is the motor being supported by if I remove the upper hex bolts ? Still trying to pluck up the courage !!! It all looks easy, I started to unbolt and chickened out thinking the engine would move out of line and be unable to get the bolt back in.     Huh
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Hey Kev, thank you for your reply. What is the motor being supported by if I remove the upper hex bolts ? Still trying to pluck up the courage !!! It all looks easy, I started to unbolt and chickened out thinking the engine would move out of line and be unable to get the bolt back in.     Huh

Well it has been 6 or 7 years since I did it, and I no longer have the bike (JAS67 does).

Still I don't recall giving any engine support the slightest thought in the process.

I mean, the motor is held at multiple points - partially by the transmission and CARC, by a link that goes across the top rear of the case behind the heads, and I guess by some of those front bolts.

And you work on only one side at a time, so you've still got plenty of things supporting the motor.

But if you're paranoid about it, place a block of wood under the oil pan (it's a significant cast aluminum piece and often used to raise big-block bikes) and support it with an automotive or bike jack.

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I started with the Stucci crash bars, but once fit them on, my left knee was hitting on the left bar every time I came to a stop. I realised that the Left cylinder was slightly further back than the Right. It was a fair thing that the shop took them back. I appreciated it.

I then changed to the DTF Cylinder protectors. But because I use silicon gaskets, the protector moved around so much that it wasn't feasible to use them.

Finally I read about the Hepco and Becker bars here and the general vote of confidence for them,  I got them. They're heavier and add substantially to the weight of the bike. But I won't ride without protection for the cylinders. Too much at stake.

I hope my feedback helps.
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I looked around and I cant find any Hepco & Becker engine guards for the Norge 1200 anywhere.
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I didn't use any support when I put the HB bars on my B1100.  The right side is more difficult to put on given the clearances.  As KevM said, get the bolts started gently.  Took me 15 minutes or so to play around to get it started.  I also did it on the side-stand, not the center-stand to give better access on the right side.  Perhaps the center-stand might have made the installation easier?  Don't know.
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« Reply #39 on: August 12, 2014, 11:00:38 AM »
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I looked around and I cant find any Hepco & Becker engine guards for the Norge 1200 anywhere.

I'm guessing they don't make them for the Norge because of the bodywork

http://www.motomachines.com/Norge-850-1200_c_169.html

http://motorrad.hepco-becker.de/index.php?option=com_fabrik&view=list&listid=18&Itemid=494

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