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If Guzzi was to introduce a new engine, my vote is for a water-cooled 650cc single. Make it shaft drive, with a minimum of 40hp in a sub 450lb adv style bike.
...he concluded in favor of the Harley. His final comment was "The Harley is the real thing. It is what all the others are only pretending to be."
A water-cooled, 650cc single wouldn't need to put out 60hp. As long as it had 20-25% more than a DR or KLR and had shaft drive, it would be its own niche. A real travel bike for the adv crowd is going to require ABS, a large alternator, a 5-7 gallon tank and a beefy rear subframe. A realistic goal for a bike fitting that description is 425-450lbs. IMHO, taking a KTM approach by minimizing weight and maximizing performance would be all wrong. If Guzzi made the bike I describe, the design goal should be to simply make the most reliable, rugged, maintenance free 650cc adv bike on the market. Style it like a baby Stelvio. I honestly think Guzzi would sell as many baby Stelvio's as they do V7's after a couple years.
A water-cooled, 650cc single wouldn't need to put out 60hp. As long as it had 20-25% more than a DR or KLR and had shaft drive, it would be its own niche. A real travel bike for the adv crowd is going to require ABS, a large alternator, a 5-7 gallon tank and a beefy rear subframe. A realistic goal for a bike fitting that description is 425-450lbs.
There is one simple reason for Guzzi hardly selling any bikes since the heyday of 1970"sThey were so good, there all still going. Hard for an old customer (me) to want a new one, already have perfection. I'll settle for a few more, just to lend to friends (or even foes)Disposable bikes don't cut the mustard, but if they or anyone else theoretically betters what true Guzzisti have, I will buy one, but doubt it'll last, not sensible marketing.RockerI'd buy an old L twin if I could afford it but only as ornament , gorgeous they were but not in league of a Tonti BT to actually use every day
Start here. Make a modern version of this:
Of course that would be perceived as a copy of a Ducati, even though it's not.
Unfortunately that is probably the case.
Or was it influenced by Ducati? I don't know the history of the Bicilindrica, but it does have a bevel drive to the cams...
if anything this predates any Ducati bevel effort by at least 15 years for their single and almost 30 years for a twin.
How different history could be . " Carl Fogarty wins third SBK title for Moto Guzzi." DustySent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Interesting, that. From this actual customer's POV (not "I would/might/could buy...") I in fact specifically braved poor dealer support - in networks and capabilities, not the great fellas at "Ton Up"... RIP - and known developmental issues to buy a brand new Calvin out of frustration at not finding a vintage Cali/Eldo/Amb to own and ride. Folks wouldn't give them up at a "price" so I took advantage of MG revisiting a classic.Now, this having been my second off the dealer's floor - I'll say this; (FOR ME, PROBABLY NOT FOR YOU) Moto Guzzi is the absolute worst of any consumer product that I've ever owned at offering incompletely developed products to the consumer. While there is potential risk in any purchase, only MG seems to not only rely upon but corporately savor the emotional bond and commitment that they hope will be early established between owner and bike. Just look at the flavor of the valuable term "well/properly sorted" in any for sale listing. They're not talking accessorized, they're saying all the standard "fixes" have been completed already.Where "new" is concerned, I think the Stelvio and Griso represent the pinnacle in squandered opportunities for MG. The money for a proper "roll-out" woulda been there were it not for the chronic MG mismanagement over the years. Now, instead of setting the motorcycling world on their ears, these two are mere footnotes in modern motorcycling.As far as the "new" small blocks, I applaud their effort but withhold full support as long as they stick with that sad-assed "Heron" head. MG is and always has been where they deserve and in fact want (based upon operational decisions) to be and if they are as flawed as we know them to be we are at least partially responsible as the first tier enablers. Oh well, once again... "Roast me! Hang me! Do whatever you please, Only please, Brer Fox, please don't throw me into the briar patch." Now, to look into that 1400 - after I comply the list warts...
A LOT of truth in that posting.
Those youtube clips are sweet! I'm not an engineer so bear with me. My understanding is that the 90 degree twin gives perfect primary balance. What does 120 degree do to make that better?
120 degree would not be better as far as balance and vibration but who cares. It is also not particularly good for rear cylinder cooling and it creates a longish motor. I imagine it was adopted due to physical characteristics to allow desired frame shapes, dimensions and height.
IIRC, the Bicilindrica had offset crankpins, so it fired like a 90 degree v-twin. Honda (much) later used the same idea on the Hawk GT.
Indeed. There is a reason I didn't run right out and buy another new Guzzi after my 1200 Sport was totalled. In the first 5,000 miles the dash failed, the fork seals blew out, my rotors warped and my oil pressure sensor went. The stock mapping also sucked around town. I don't give a shit how many Guzzisti say problems occur with every brand. That makes no difference when it's YOUR bike that makes three or four trips to the dealer in the first year and you spend a month waiting for warranty claims and/or parts to come from Italy.I love how Guzzis sound. I enjoy the relaxed, stable handling and the many beautiful details the company includes on the bikes. I will have another Guzzi. I just won't expect it to have Japanese reliability.
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