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« on: June 23, 2013, 10:36:07 PM »
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Ok, I still have this baby that I NEED to get sorted-out.   I've been in a British car club for years and I have contacts in the trade.  I would, however, like to know if any of you are familiar with any shops specializing in these cars.

I am going to have the brake system restored and maybe sleeves put in the calipers.  I need to remove and refurbish the fuel tank, rebuild the carbs and maybe a few other things. I can do it myself and I'd like to learn more about these amazing cars. But, I have a shop full of bikes in various stages of restoration so I am thinking of farming the car out to someone else.  Id like someone who regularly works on XKEs but their number is dwindling.

Any of you know anyone in the Southeast who regularly works on these?

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« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2013, 10:40:21 PM »
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Ok, I still have this baby that I NEED to get sorted-out.   I've been in a British car club for years and I have contacts in the trade.  I would, however, like to know if any of you are familiar with any shops specializing in these cars.

I am going to have the brake system restored and maybe sleeves put in the calipers.  I need to remove and refurbish the fuel tank, rebuild the carbs and maybe a few other things. I can do it myself and I'd like to learn more about these amazing cars. But, I have a shop full of bikes in various stages of restoration so I am thinking of farming the car out to someone else.  Id like someone who regularly works on XKEs but their number is dwindling.

Any of you know anyone in the Southeast who regularly works on these?



I love those cars.   But whenever I see one, the first thing I think of is "Gumball Rally".

"Beautiful engineering"   "Yeah, but it'd be nice if it ran".

Both the purchase price and the parts-and-labor are way beyond my pay grade these days, though.

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« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2013, 10:42:33 PM »
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Beautiful car!  I can't answer your questions, but I have one you may be able to answer.  Is it possible to have the 5mph bumpers removed, and the headlight protectors reinstalled from an older XKE on your car?  Even if possible, would that lower the collector value of your car? Or would it be something that could easily be reversed?
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« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2013, 11:41:09 PM »
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leaf man you may want to try to get in touch with Dick Maury I believe his shop is in Atlanta its called Jaguar south. is very prominent in the Jaguar club and very knowledgeable. I think you're on the jag lovers site as well?

a tip on the brakes I know on the series 1 cars you can actually use Volvo calipers, and there was a writeup up on this on one of the sites.

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« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2013, 12:48:59 AM »
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All the old XK, D and E-type Jaguar mechanics have retired to lives of luxury in tax havens such as Monaco.. 

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« Reply #5 on: June 24, 2013, 06:41:41 AM »
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Anyone who owns one works on them regularly.
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« Reply #6 on: June 24, 2013, 07:21:25 AM »
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Come up here. One of my clients is Donovan Motorcar (formerly known as Donovan Jaguar) who not only restores Jaguars, but ran the factory vintage racing team, which had the fastest E-types around.

Putting headlight covers on that car would be a mistake.
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« Reply #7 on: June 24, 2013, 07:45:17 AM »
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Thanks for the reference on Jag South and Donovan. 

As I said earlier, I've been into these things for a while and I have contacts.  I am just reluctant to take my car to someone else. 

Like vintage bikes, if you work on them yourself then you are more likely to know what to do when something happens out on the road.  Still, I am swamped with mechanical work regarding my bikes.  I'm not retired so my spare time is limited and I often chose to play rather than pull wrenches.  Or, in Jaguar parlance, "tug about on spanners."

If I find the right person, I would feel better.

Aaron and James posts are helpful.

My car needs little.  Hell, I may just have to buckle-down, leave the bikes alone for a while and get to work on the Jag. 

Whenever I'm finished with it, I plant to drive the car often.  I will do a cross-country trip like the BRP/Skyline Drive trip.  It would be a blast in this thing - as long as everything worked properly.

This car is the last of the E types.  It has the V12 motor and the flared fenders.  Yes, the older 6-cylinder cars are often more sought-after and they are easier to work on.  Trying to retrofit this to the old-style lamp covers etc would not work and, yes, it would detract from the value of the car.

Any more Jaguar contacts out there ?
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« Reply #8 on: June 24, 2013, 03:36:49 PM »
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Moss Motors in Goleta, CA (I believe) is a great source for spares and repro parts. I have a '56 XK-140 Roadster.
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« Reply #9 on: October 05, 2013, 12:30:43 PM »
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Okay, I finally gave-in and realised (proper brit) that if I keep waiting until I have the time to do this car the nursing home won't let me have it!

This past week, I took it to a certified, English-raised expert and restoration specialist.  Work has begun on bringing the E-Type back to road-going prowess.

This will not take much in my case.  Normal wear and tear items simply need addressing- worn-out joints, rubber parts, exhaust system, carb work and then both an exterior and interior re-finish.  The train has left the station on this project and, by springtime next, I hope to be winding my way about curvy mountain roads in this thing.

Again, I am amazed at how Jaguars are built. They are not constructed according to expected automotive standards. This results in a PITA for much of the service work but it's just the nature of the animal.

For example, the rear brakes.  Rather than have the calipers and rotors attached to the wheel hub, they are affixed at the differential.  I assume this was a exercise intended to reduce unsprung weight of the wheel assembly.  It looks cool and all of that BUT in order to remove/replace the calipers, the entire rear suspension needs to be removed !  An experienced mechanic can replace the pads but the other components are virtually impossible to remove separate from removing the rear drive assembly.

Thankfully, my rear calipers and rotors have already fairly recently been replaced so I don't have to deal with it- for now- I hope.

Check this pic of a XKE rear suspension that has been removed for restoration.  You can see the calipers painted red.  Fun fun.

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Friend of mine has this sitting in his hanger.....see link...

http://s106.photobucket.com/user/eldomike/library/Jag?sort=3&page=1

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Wow, that's big gun there !
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British cars of the 50s and 60s often had advanced engineering, trying to get superior performance and marketing points, but often gave little thought to long-term service considerations.

Inboard brakes were a big feature not only on Jaguars, but Rovers, Lotus and F1 cars-but there were definite downsides, even beyond service.

Still, it makes them more interesting!
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  Just another natty English car.
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Friend of mine has this sitting in his hanger.....see link...

Hmmm.  A Jag and an Ercoupe.

Your friend has eclectic tastes in transportation, Mike.
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Please post a pic of it hood down and all purty. That is a great looker!
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Have you tried http://classicjaguar.com in Austin?  I have heard some good things about their work.  I bought a brand new 1970 Dark Blue 4.2 litre XKE-Coupe for $6200 and sold it 3 years later for $3000.  This ranks right up there as one of the biggest mistakes of my life  Cry Cry
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Hmmm.  A Jag and an Ercoupe.

Your friend has eclectic tastes in transportation, Mike.

That's what I thought, I had a '46 now I have a 'Guzzi & a bastard Husky, damn just realized I fit the weirdo stereotype!


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Hmmm.  A Jag and an Ercoupe.

Your friend has eclectic tastes in transportation, Mike.

Wouldn't be a friend if he didn't  Grin
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That's what I thought, I had a '46 now I have a 'Guzzi & a bastard Husky, damn just realized I fit the weirdo stereotype!




As I understand it, you are "eccentric" if you have such tastes and the money to indulge yourself.  If you don't have the $$$ then you are just weird.

Somewhere in my late father's den is the top half of a carbruator from the 47 that he crashed in 1966, also a small chunk of the telephone pole that jumped out in front of him during his forced landing. 

Sorry Leafman for the thread drift.  In an effort to help I would also offer the name of Tom Owen of Browns Lane in Ontario, speaking of eccentric/eclectic sorts.  He's the Jag expert north of the Great Lakes and a great guy as well.  www.brownslane.com  Tom's been a help to me on a couple of obscure race car projects I've been involved in.

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Thanks, Offcam.

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Please post a pic of it hood down and all purty. That is a great looker!



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I ran a Rover 2000 for 10 years so I know about them and Jags. Bad ideas, beautiful ergonomics, switches and styling.
Just think for one moment about doing the tappets.
We have overhead camshaft/s using the same bolts to hold the camshaft as the head. Soooooo you first measure the tappet clearance, then remove a pair of camshaft bearing bolts. Take off the top journal and refit the bolts with spacers. Back up to tension of course. Don't forget to retract the timing chain tensioner.[Don't ask me how I know.]
Finally when all camshaft bearings have been removed and bolts are all shimmed and done back up to tension the camshaft can be removed and then the buckets can be taken off and the shims replaced with the right size[hopefully].
Reverse the process and you'll find it has taken a few hours. Once back together recheck and if you have to then do it again the day is fu$ked.
Suffice to say the process is mindbogglingly stupid and time consuming and during it you have actually released the tension on the head in small increments. This is the reason why Jags blow head gaskets at stupidly low mileages.
I was doubly unlucky when I forgot one time to retract said chain tensioner. The thing went tinkle down in there and later when I turned the engine over the timing chain broke and valves were clipped. Head then had to come back off and so on.

Have you got the picture?

O yes , inboard rear discs. Drop diff to swap handbrake pads[separate from normal bake pads].

Front suspension, o my gawd, who thought of that? A pommy fer sho.

Millions of uni joints , brakes relined and resleeved and stuff cost over $1000 in 1980.

Overall they are very dumbass cars.

Best of luck wiv the Jag, I envy you in some ways, it is so beautiful, and I know how my Rover went when it was right, which was only a fraction of the way the Jag would go, but I guess these cars are instant karma propositions and you need to be a saint to own one. A very rich saint. Preferable a Bishop or a Pope actually. Or bonnie Prince Charles.
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Yes, the inboard rear brakes are odd like many things.  I believe the design is made so you drop the sub-frame (not too hard in a shop) and then diddle with the brakes.
  I sadly sold my '62 MGA mk2 a couple months ago but still have a '67 420G sitting outside waiting to go places...  I think Jags are a step beyond MG's and Triumphs and aren't meant to be tinkered with at home as much (modern equivalent might be some BMW's?)  Sure the brakes are a PITA but my giant sedan has fully independent suspension with quad shocks on double wishbones, retractable seat belts, 6 mufflers, and pneumatic everything, etc..  The car actually handles pretty well for a big pig designed in the late 50's/early 60's.  They are pretty technologically advanced for their day and the XKE even more so.
John Twist at University Motors has been the MG guru for decades and might be worth contacting for a recommendation.
The biggest enemy I've had during my 4yrs with my Jag has been Ethanol gas and not driving it enough.  Things become unreliable when not used regularly.
Patience my friend!  Having said that, Lucas IS the prince of darkness!
Here is my beast being emissions tested in Colorado.  It always passes.
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... it is so beautiful, and I know how my Rover went when it was right ... I guess these cars are instant karma propositions and you need to be a saint to own one. A very rich saint. Preferable a Bishop or a Pope actually. Or bonnie Prince Charles.

Hmmmm, this sounds familiar.  Sounds a little bit like owning a Guzzi.
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My uncle restored an MK2 like this one back in the early 70's and I believe it was a 63. He spent about 4 or 5 years working on the thing and I got to drive it a few times and it was very cool. Unfortunately he lived in a very dicey part of town and didn't want to move and couple of months after he finished the restoration the garage in which he kept the vehicle burned to the ground and it was ruled arson. It was quite a sad ending for the car.


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http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/television/features/2012/best_tv_2012/best_tv_2012_lane_pryce_s_suicide_attempt_in_his_jaguar.html


reminds of the TV show "Mad Men".   One of the characters attempts suicide via carbon monoxide poisoning but his XKE wouldn't start.
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Here's a nice website of Gene's. He purchased the '63 from the original owner.  He's go a bacon slicer in here for Guzzi content.   
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  Its always the ones I can't afford that squeeze my spleen with the lust of want.
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Here's a nice website of Gene's. He purchased the '63 from the original owner.  He's go a bacon slicer in here for Guzzi content.   
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That's a nice website.  Wow, some great machinery.
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I have a '56 XK-140 Roadster.

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Personally know Bill of Bassett Jag... He is a member here as well with a gaggle of guzzi's.
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The E type is my long time favorite classic car.  I once sat in a  E type coupe, only the look alone to the front over the bonnet is so great.
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Yes, it's a long hood.
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Yes, it's a long hood.

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