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Re: The 2014 Guzzi rumors / 2013 EICMA Milan merged threadfest
« Reply #300 on: November 07, 2013, 08:35:20 AM »

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Re: The 2014 Guzzi rumors / 2013 EICMA Milan merged threadfest
« Reply #301 on: November 07, 2013, 08:39:48 AM »
The show has just started.  It goes through the 10th.  The big announcements from the OEMs could very well come Friday or Saturday.

An 8v Bellagio with V7 bodywork seems like a no-brainer.  Especially since several customs have shown the classic bodywork will work on the Bellagio.

OK, I'll keep hope.  :BEER:
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Re: The 2014 Guzzi rumors / 2013 EICMA Milan merged threadfest
« Reply #302 on: November 07, 2013, 09:52:16 AM »

An 8v Bellagio with V7 bodywork seems like a no-brainer.   

If you scroll to Germany, they show a Bellagio in their product line offering.  It's not the 8V however, probably a 2V 1200cc.

How big of a market do you think there is for such a bike in the US.  In 2012-2013, there were 680 1200cc, CARC equipped bikes sold in this country -- 260 each of the Stelvio NTX's and Griso's, 160 of the Norge's.  That's not a very big pie to develop a new bike for, unless some other country already has it in large quantities.
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Re: The 2014 Guzzi rumors / 2013 EICMA Milan merged threadfest
« Reply #303 on: November 07, 2013, 09:54:32 AM »
^^^^  But the idea would be to grab new customers attracted to the retro vibe of the V7, but who want something bigger and/or with more hp.  IMO, that could be a lot of people.  Look at how many new-to-Guzzi customers the V7 has attracted.
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Re: The 2014 Guzzi rumors / 2013 EICMA Milan merged threadfest
« Reply #304 on: November 07, 2013, 09:58:11 AM »




This and the ladies are the only attractions at the Guzzi booth, IMO...
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Re: The 2014 Guzzi rumors / 2013 EICMA Milan merged threadfest
« Reply #305 on: November 07, 2013, 10:11:53 AM »
If you scroll to Germany, they show a Bellagio in their product line offering.  It's not the 8V however, probably a 2V 1200cc.

How big of a market do you think there is for such a bike in the US.  In 2012-2013, there were 680 1200cc, CARC equipped bikes sold in this country -- 260 each of the Stelvio NTX's and Griso's, 160 of the Norge's.  That's not a very big pie to develop a new bike for, unless some other country already has it in large quantities.

Well, I think the market would be good for Guzzi.  A "950 LeMans" built from a Bellagio with V7 bodywork and 8v heads added would be both modern and classic, and would appeal to a broad range of customers who like a sporty standard.

Guzzi production has been low every since I've been around the brand.  I got my first Guzzi in 1997.  Worldwide production has never exceeded 10,000 units per year during that time, and has usually been about half that.

The thing that makes a retro CARC bike easily doable is that it would be a parts bin bike.  Other than a nose-mounted alternator on the 8v engine, it would not be expensive to develop.  Bellagio CARC frames already exist.  V7 Classic bodywork already exists.  The parts are available.  All someone has to do is combine them at the factory, just like numerous custom builders have already done.

Sure, a Bellagio-based retro might steal a few V7 sales.  However, one of the things holding the V7 back from being a grand slam is power.  That would not be a problem with an 8v mill stuffed into a Bellagio frame.

Yes, we're talking about units in the hundreds or few thousands.  But honestly, that's the count with any Guzzi model, and has been for decades.
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The 2014 Guzzi rumors / 2013 EICMA Milan merged threadfest
« Reply #306 on: November 07, 2013, 10:33:20 AM »
lol, I just skimmed em...ohhhhh well, worth a try...

...and yeah...

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Re: The 2014 Guzzi rumors / 2013 EICMA Milan merged threadfest
« Reply #307 on: November 07, 2013, 10:38:55 AM »
A big Thanks to Phil for posting the photos above.
I like the one with the model slumped on the silver California in the background--even beautiful women on a beautiful bike get bored, I guess.
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Re: The 2014 Guzzi rumors / 2013 EICMA Milan merged threadfest
« Reply #308 on: November 07, 2013, 10:42:42 AM »
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Re: The 2014 Guzzi rumors / 2013 EICMA Milan merged threadfest
« Reply #309 on: November 07, 2013, 10:56:39 AM »
Ya know my only disappointment with their offerings is that they haven't yet decided to strike while the iron is hot with a V12 styled like a V7 but with the 8V motor...

I'd actually prefer a V12, but with the 4V motor.  They still make and sell the Bellagio in other markets, which has a 940cc 4V motor, thus, they still make the 2V heads.   So, they could easily still build the 4V 1200 as was in the earlier Norge.
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Re: The 2014 Guzzi rumors / 2013 EICMA Milan merged threadfest
« Reply #310 on: November 07, 2013, 10:59:41 AM »
I'd actually prefer a V12, but with the 4V motor.  They still make and sell the Bellagio in other markets, which has a 940cc 4V motor, thus, they still make the 2V heads.   So, they could easily still build the 4V 1200 as was in the earlier Norge.

Define "easy" . :)  Don't lots of factories dispose of old tooling and molds after they are no longer in use ?
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Re: The 2014 Guzzi rumors / 2013 EICMA Milan merged threadfest
« Reply #311 on: November 07, 2013, 11:00:27 AM »
I'd actually prefer a V12, but with the 4V motor.  They still make and sell the Bellagio in other markets, which has a 940cc 4V motor, thus, they still make the 2V heads.

NEVER GONNA HAPPEN.

As much as I dig the Bellagio and/or the 2V/Cyl big-block, they are both "perceived" to be too small and/or too weak for the US market.
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Re: The 2014 Guzzi rumors / 2013 EICMA Milan merged threadfest
« Reply #312 on: November 07, 2013, 11:13:16 AM »
NEVER GONNA HAPPEN.
 

I'd like a 940 8v.  Would be great fun.  But, yeah...

NEVER GONNA HAPPEN.
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Re: The 2014 Guzzi rumors / 2013 EICMA Milan merged threadfest
« Reply #313 on: November 07, 2013, 11:16:49 AM »
Define "easy" . :)  Don't lots of factories dispose of old tooling and molds after they are no longer in use ?
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That's is why my comment about the 2V heads still being in production for the Bellagio.

NEVER GONNA HAPPEN.

As much as I dig the Bellagio and/or the 2V/Cyl big-block, they are both "perceived" to be too small and/or too weak for the US market.

Sad, but true.    IMHO, the 2V/cyl. is a better overall ownership experience.    That said, I've not ridden an 8V bike, but, I'm more than happy with the output of the 1064cc 2V/cyl. motor on my Breva.

Given that your statement is so true for the US market, I'm happy that H.D. still saw fit to sell their new smaller displacement bikes in the US, and not just developing markets.   I think/hope they'll be a hit.   I'll be signing up for a test ride myself.
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Re: The 2014 Guzzi rumors / 2013 EICMA Milan merged threadfest
« Reply #314 on: November 07, 2013, 11:21:48 AM »
Given that your statement is so true for the US market, I'm happy that H.D. still saw fit to sell their new smaller displacement bikes in the US, and not just developing markets.   I think/hope they'll be a hit.   I'll be signing up for a test ride myself.

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Re: The 2014 Guzzi rumors / 2013 EICMA Milan merged threadfest
« Reply #315 on: November 07, 2013, 12:27:29 PM »




I like that blue with the non-spoke wheels. Hope they bring it here.

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Re: The 2014 Guzzi rumors / 2013 EICMA Milan merged threadfest
« Reply #316 on: November 07, 2013, 01:53:22 PM »
I hope we see a V12 Sport / LeMans.   ???

even better: V14 Sport/LeMans.   ~;
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Re: The 2014 Guzzi rumors / 2013 EICMA Milan merged threadfest
« Reply #317 on: November 07, 2013, 02:00:10 PM »
I was hoping for a slick new Griso SE colorway, but it looks like it's Black Devil again?
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Re: The 2014 Guzzi rumors / 2013 EICMA Milan merged threadfest
« Reply #318 on: November 07, 2013, 03:37:03 PM »
Well, as of this afternoon (Thursday), nothing new at the MG booth.

I know color and style is personal, but in-person I thought the silver Griso looked great. There was no one I could ask about the Stelvio wheels. I'd like to know if wire is still an option, or if they will be used on the U.S. Model. The green V7 was super cool with the knee pads added to the tank, and the silver V7 would make a great commuter as it is set up here.

The Piaggio booth was super busy, but sadly, the MG portion often seemed a little slow.

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Re: The 2014 Guzzi rumors / 2013 EICMA Milan merged threadfest
« Reply #319 on: November 07, 2013, 03:39:18 PM »
I was hoping for a slick new Griso SE colorway, but it looks like it's Black Devil again?
I agree, but why can't they offer a few colors like they did a few years ago.  There should at least be 3.

I think it was Rocker59 that suggested replacing the silver of the Black Devil's paint job with Tenni green. That would be an attractive Griso.
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Re: The 2014 Guzzi rumors / 2013 EICMA Milan merged threadfest
« Reply #320 on: November 07, 2013, 03:50:17 PM »
I agree, but why can't they offer a few colors like they did a few years ago.  There should at least be 3.

I think it was Rocker59 that suggested replacing the silver of the Black Devil's paint job with Tenni green. That would be an attractive Griso.

Yep.  It would look great!

The current paint scheme with the diagonal stripes is fantastic looking.  I'm just not a big fan of silver body color.

They could keep the scheme, but change the color each year, for a few years.  Drop the silver in favor of Green, then Red, then Yellow.  Something like that.
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Re: The 2014 Guzzi rumors / 2013 EICMA Milan merged threadfest
« Reply #321 on: November 07, 2013, 05:51:30 PM »
Is the 1200 8v sport still in the mix?  I see that they show it last on their list on the web site, but doesn't look like it's on display at the EMICA?
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Re: The 2014 Guzzi rumors / 2013 EICMA Milan merged threadfest
« Reply #322 on: November 07, 2013, 07:25:33 PM »
Not disagreeing with you guys, since attractive color schemes are entirely subjective and personal.  But I don't think the Griso would've caught my attention if it weren't for the Black Devil's color scheme. 



Yep.  It would look great!

The current paint scheme with the diagonal stripes is fantastic looking.  I'm just not a big fan of silver body color.

They could keep the scheme, but change the color each year, for a few years.  Drop the silver in favor of Green, then Red, then Yellow.  Something like that.
I agree, but why can't they offer a few colors like they did a few years ago.  There should at least be 3.

I think it was Rocker59 that suggested replacing the silver of the Black Devil's paint job with Tenni green. That would be an attractive Griso.

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« Reply #323 on: November 07, 2013, 07:27:18 PM »
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Re: The 2014 Guzzi rumors / 2013 EICMA Milan merged threadfest
« Reply #324 on: November 07, 2013, 07:36:36 PM »
I hope we see a V12 Sport / LeMans.   ???

even better: V14 Sport/LeMans.   ~;
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Re: The 2014 Guzzi rumors / 2013 EICMA Milan merged threadfest
« Reply #327 on: November 07, 2013, 07:55:58 PM »

This show is better than anything offered in the U.S. If you ever get the chance to make the trip, you won't regret it.



Seemingly you're there would it be possible to get some close up shots of the front of the V7 motor to see if we can pick the changes outlined in Motocollismo?

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Re: The 2014 Guzzi rumors / 2013 EICMA Milan merged threadfest
« Reply #328 on: November 11, 2013, 06:02:06 PM »
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I like that blue with the non-spoke wheels. Hope they bring it here

I wish I knew if and when that might get here!!!

Speaking of the plastic side bags.......  Just did the side by side comparo (viewing and sitting...not riding) of 2013 Norge and Stelvio.  KAB says the Stelvio's a no sale if our Breva's plastic bags don't fit on it.  She intensely dislikes the Trax alum boxes.  And with that big ole exhaust can on the Stelvio,  I can't see our Breva bags fitting..  Our left bag comes straight down from the brackets.   It looks as though it would need a left plastic bag with a cutout. :'(

It's starting to look like the Norge might get the nod for the simple fact of less mods to make it our trip machine.   Our Breva's GIVI trunk and bracket will probably go right over to the Norge.   As for hand comfort,  adding some sort of hand guard protection on the norge would be easier than adding the optional heated grips on the Stelvio.  Factor in the side bag issue....and -  


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Re: The 2014 Guzzi rumors / 2013 EICMA Milan merged threadfest
« Reply #329 on: November 11, 2013, 06:54:06 PM »
I really don't like the trax boxes either, nor the crash bar and flood lights.  Wish they just brought the standard Stelvio with cast wheels.

On the exhaust needing a cutout on the panniers, I once had a Tiger 1050 and it had a high exhaust and cutout pannier on right side.  I lowered the exhaust to clear, and put a standard pannier on it.  A good welder could do the same to the Stelvio I imagine.
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