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GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« on: April 26, 2014, 05:04:54 AM »
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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #1 on: April 26, 2014, 06:09:31 AM »
*Very* nice.  ;-T Thanks for taking the time to do this..
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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #2 on: April 26, 2014, 06:19:13 AM »
Maybe pin this to the top.

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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #3 on: April 26, 2014, 08:43:59 AM »
Another thanks. I have struggled as one program would not open on my newer laptop. Also I could guess what each thing does, I did not know exactly how it worked. Tried to download Adobe reader and it has failed three times to load. I read it would open the single program I could not get open. Already fussed and cussed up a storm. Will try and get it all downloaded again later today. Get one of my genius daughters to get it up and running. Luckily when it came to brains they got it from their mom!!!

5AM GuzziDiag One_Lambda V1.27        What program do you use to open this? Please don't say Adobe reader.

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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #4 on: April 26, 2014, 10:12:19 AM »
5AM GuzziDiag One_Lambda V1.27        What program do you use to open this? Please don't say Adobe reader.

That one, as the others ending with xdf, are definitions from the layout of a map. So this one belongs to the one lambda 5am ecu. You use it with tunerpro to look at your map, if you download it from the bike. And you can modify anything you want. Download for tunerpro is linked on the guzzidiag website.
How to use it is in this youtube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=NrTlLpkGUDI
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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #5 on: April 26, 2014, 10:18:50 AM »
Fabulous effort, Beetle.  Thank you.

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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #6 on: April 26, 2014, 10:47:19 AM »
Excellent!! Makes me want a bike I could use it on. Great effort by all who have put this together. ;-T
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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #7 on: April 26, 2014, 04:05:45 PM »
I'm picking up my 02 Lemans next week and I understand it has a PC3 installed. My question is, does this year model utilize the Guzzi Diag, and would it do me any good to have it?   Dave
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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #8 on: April 26, 2014, 04:46:49 PM »
Once again a big thanks for putting in the time and effort to simplify a confusing (for idiots such as me) issue like this and make it idiot proof.

Could someone please pin this at the top

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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #9 on: April 26, 2014, 04:55:06 PM »
I'm picking up my 02 Lemans next week and I understand it has a PC3 installed. My question is, does this year model utilize the Guzzi Diag, and would it do me any good to have it?   Dave

Yes any injected Guzzi does. And a v11 can the map be changed too.
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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #10 on: April 26, 2014, 04:59:38 PM »
Yes any injected Guzzi does. And a v11 can the map be changed too.

Thanks I thought so.....Dave
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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #11 on: April 27, 2014, 01:00:44 AM »
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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #13 on: April 27, 2014, 09:47:45 PM »
Bravo!  Thanks for this.  you have covered reading, writing, resetting tps.  Post a bitcoin public address and i will send ya some coin. :) 
Yes yes, i cant wait to hear the feedback on this.  :)

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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #14 on: April 28, 2014, 08:22:14 AM »
Well Done!
Thanks for the effort Beetle.  The chapter on CO trim was lost on me til I read your instructions.
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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #15 on: April 28, 2014, 09:17:56 AM »
Full marks sir(s).  :bow

I know enough about computers to get confused at times.  :P This is a huge help.
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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #16 on: April 30, 2014, 10:48:52 AM »
Yes any injected Guzzi does. And a v11 can the map be changed too.

Great tutorial!  With regard to the V11, is it possible to reset the TPS with Guzzidiag?  I seem to recall reading that this can only be done electronically on the 5AM bikes?

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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #17 on: April 30, 2014, 11:04:58 AM »
Great tutorial!  With regard to the V11, is it possible to reset the TPS with Guzzidiag?  I seem to recall reading that this can only be done electronically on the 5AM bikes?

Thanks,
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The TPS is set mechanically. You can use Guzzidiag to set the idle voltage.
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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #18 on: April 30, 2014, 02:24:48 PM »
The TPS is set mechanically. You can use Guzzidiag to set the idle voltage.

You should be carefull by usingGuzzidiag for low voltage, it it more a sort indication. The digital increments are way to big to be usefull to do something like a 150mv adjust. It's not more precise from what the ecu uses.

And next to the 5am, the 15rc on Breva 750 can be reset. And so is the bellagio where the tps should never be set with guzzidiag, that is a strange thing, a bastard between a cali 1100 and a calc.
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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #19 on: May 04, 2014, 09:25:16 PM »
Thanks again for all your work this is awesome!!
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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #20 on: May 05, 2014, 03:31:21 AM »
does it work with a power commander?
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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #21 on: May 05, 2014, 04:31:23 AM »
Guzzidiag will set the TPS and run diagnostics etc. whether a Power commander is fitted or not. It will not communicate with a Power commander directly but you could still alter various parts of the engine map such as ignition timing and still leave the Power commander in place to control the fueling. I'm not sure it would be a good idea though far better to input the PC data directly into the ecu and then do away with it.
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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #22 on: May 07, 2014, 07:49:33 AM »
OK, got the cables yesterday and have download all files Ithink I need for GuzziDiag. Now the question is how do I find the correct maps for a 2002 EV with an H pipe? And a map for a stock 2006 1100 Breva?   I guess I need to buy a plug for the O2 sensor on the Breva.


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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #23 on: May 07, 2014, 08:21:59 AM »
OK, got the cables yesterday and have download all files Ithink I need for GuzziDiag. Now the question is how do I find the correct maps for a 2002 EV with an H pipe? And a map for a stock 2006 1100 Breva?   I guess I need to buy a plug for the O2 sensor on the Breva.


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The P8 has a rom that you need to burn.

Even if it is the 15M, you need to use the reader software to read your rom. Then you modify your rom map, and write it back.
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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #24 on: May 19, 2014, 07:33:28 PM »
I need some guidance.
I guess I got a little spoiled with the 1200 sport having only to press a reset button to correct the tps.
I've added an 08' California Vintage to the fleet and finally got the GuzzieDiag all hooked up and running right.
Here is what it told me after I adjusted the throttle balance and the voltage to 480mv.
At idle:
CO trim -120
rpm 1277 (yes, the tach lied to me just as forewarned)
throttle 4.87 degrees
Ignition advance 10.5 degrees
tps 39
Lambda 40 mv

The bike has lots of spunk, but at idle when warm, it hesitates often. It didn't hesitate as often when the voltage was at just a bit better than 400mv.

It's like it is searching for the right air/fuel mix to idle right.

I followed Wayne Orwig's suggestion to ignore the baseline reset to 150mv because I had this diagnostic tool called GuzziDiag.

What should I do next?

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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #25 on: May 20, 2014, 02:00:38 PM »
Dean start over and do it like the book tells you. The diagnostic is can do it's work when some hardware base settings are correct. The 150 mv should be measured with a voltmeter, in that range the resolution of the ecu isn't good enough. And when doing that it should completely closed.

 And for maps, start with reading what map you have in the left bottom corner in Guzzidiag. Then I can tell you is there is someting better
« Last Edit: May 20, 2014, 02:02:28 PM by pauldaytona »
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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #26 on: May 29, 2014, 12:32:18 PM »
I"m getting a installation failure message when I try to install drivers for the cable.  I'm on a new Toshiba running windows 8.1.  I'm trying to hook up to a V7 Stone.  How do you tell if the cable is the right one?

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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #27 on: May 29, 2014, 01:49:32 PM »
Dean start over and do it like the book tells you. The diagnostic is can do it's work when some hardware base settings are correct. The 150 mv should be measured with a voltmeter, in that range the resolution of the ecu isn't good enough. And when doing that it should completely closed.

 And for maps, start with reading what map you have in the left bottom corner in Guzzidiag. Then I can tell you is there is someting better


Paul,

I've got everything here to use the GuzziDiag, Laptop the two cables an have downloaded the software.

We are in the process of packing our belongings to move into a new house we are having built on our property up at the lake.

When everything settles back down I'll try the GuzziDiag on my 2006 Breva 1100 and my 2002 EV. I'll get back to you after I have saved the maps on these bikes. Then maybe you can advise me on the adjustments.

Thanks,

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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #28 on: May 29, 2014, 04:53:31 PM »
I opened my cable and found I have the wrong cable.  Time to reorder.   ::(

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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #29 on: May 29, 2014, 10:35:53 PM »
Beetle, Paul,

Quick Question I have gone from +20 on CO trim to -30 on CO trim and have noticed nothing in terms of a rough idle.  There is a quick change in RPM when I hit finish/save on the CO trim page.  The only other side effect I believe I have noticed is a hiccup when starting off idle. 

Can this be corrected by enriching my TPS a little more?  My manual says for the Quota 1.4 +/- .3 degrees but Guzziology says 2.1 degrees.  I am thinking by what Beetle is saying that maybe I could get CO down quite a bit and still maintain the correct idle but cure the hiccup with a little higher voltage per Guzziology.  I'll try it tomorrow, next step is to actually get to a place with a CO meter and set it to Factory specs.

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