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GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« on: April 26, 2014, 05:04:54 AM »
This is a basic howto for the GuzziDiag suite of tools. This howto will show you how to connect, read (backup) your existing map, write (flash) a new map and perform a TPS reset. This uses the Windows versions, but Mac & Linux versions function the same.


All types of ECU use the same version of GuzziDiag


I've created a PDF version of this tutorial. Download it from my drop box here: LINKY

Here is a single throttle body V7 specific version: LINKY


Click on the link for your operating system:


Windows

Linux 32 bit

Linux 64 bit

Mac






For the 5AM ECU, you will need the following Reader/Writer software from the GuzziDiag page:

Windoze:


IAW5xReader

IAW5xWriter

Linux 32 bit:


IAW5xReader

IAW5xWriter


Linux 64 bit:


IAW5xReader

IAW5xWriter


For Mac:

IAW5xReader

IAW5xWriter



For the 15M/15P/15RC ECU you will need these:

Windoze:

IAW15xReader

IAW15xWriter


Linux32 bit:

IAW15xReader

IAW15xWriter


Linux 64 bit:


IAW15xReader

IAW15xWriter


Mac:

IAW15xReader

IAW15xWriter


For the MIU G3...

Windoze:

IAWMIUG3Reader

IAWMIUG3Writer


Linux 32 bit:

IAWMIUG3Reader

IAWMIUG3Writer


Linux 64 bit:

IAWMIUG3Reader

IAWMIUG3Writer


Mac:

IAWMIUG3Reader

IAWMIUG3Writer




Each is a standalone program that works independently of each other and does not require any extra software.



You will also need the two cables. They are available from various resellers on the net.

EDIT: Lonelec is the best source on the net. They sell a kit that inlcudes both cables and is guaranteed to work

Get it here: CLICKY


!!!!  Do not use the drivers that come with the cables. Download the drivers from here:

Windows Drivers


Mac OS Drivers



1. The OBD2 KKL 16 pin to USB cable with the FTDI chip. This will come with the drivers or they too can be downloaded
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2. The Fiat 3 Pin to 16 pin Adapter






To connect to the bike, connect the two 16 pin connectors on the cables together and the 3 pin cable to the diagnostic port. For example on the Griso, it's located under the seat near the back right.





Attach the clips from the 3 pin cable to the battery and plug the USB cable into a USB port on your computer.


A LED on the OBD2 cable will indicate power is connected.







Right, next we will do some stuff....
« Last Edit: April 10, 2017, 08:14:12 PM by beetle »
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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #1 on: April 26, 2014, 05:05:41 AM »
To read and backup your existing map, open the IAWReader. Your computer may have multiple COM ports, so select the correct one from the drop-down box. it is usually the last one or highest number. if it doesn't connect at first, keep trying different ports. In my example, I only have one, COM4.




Then, click on 'read'




A dialog box will open, and here you can select the folder where you want to save the .bin file. You can name it anything you like.




Click 'save'. You will then get:




Turn your keyswitch to 'on'. Do not start the engine. Reader will start downloading. It will take 15 minutes to backup the map.




When it has finished, it will ask you to switch off your keyswitch. Obey.





Done!
« Last Edit: April 26, 2014, 05:17:10 AM by beetle »
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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #2 on: April 26, 2014, 05:07:02 AM »
To write or flash a new map, start the Writer program. You can select your COM port here as well.





Click on the button with the 3 dots, and you will get a dialog box where you can browse to and select the .bin file you wish to flash by clicking 'Load'.




Then, click 'Write'




Same as before, it will ask you to switch your keyswitch on.






It will start the upload. Note the message in the bottom left corner 'uploading'. It takes 3 minutes. It will then change to 'programming' as it writes the file to the ECU.


It will then show a message that it was successful.




Click 'OK' and switch off your keyswitch.



Done!
« Last Edit: April 26, 2014, 05:24:30 AM by beetle »
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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #3 on: April 26, 2014, 05:09:45 AM »
You will then need to reset your TPS. Open the GuzziDiag program.

NOTE: We do not reset the TPS on the V7/V7-II with the MIU G3 ECU
More info on the MIU G3 below.

NOTE: Does not apply to the 15M ECU.






Click 'File' -> 'Preferences' to configure the software. It only needs to be done once.





The GuzziDiag settings dialog box opens. Here you can select language, COM port and bike type. Click the X to close, when done.





Next we want to connect to the ECU, so click 'File' -> 'Connect'




It will ask you to switch on your keyswitch and click 'OK'







You'll notice there are 8 drop down boxes to select various readouts. Select whatever you wish.






You can see here after uploading the map, my TPS (Throttle) is slightly out. It should read about 4.7







Let's reset it! Click on 'View' -> 'Actors'

You will see the Actors menu:








Next, click on one of the drop-down selection boxes under 'Engine Off'







Select TPS Reset







Click 'Start'








You'll get the TPS Reset OK dialog. Click OK.







For the MIU G3


In 'Measurements', check the reading for 'Throttle'. For V7 It should be 0.9 - 1.0, for V7-II 1.0 - 1.2.
If the reading is anything outside that range, then (and only then), follow these steps:

1) In the top menu, go to View -> Actors
2) In any of the drop down menus select "Throttle self-learning", then click start.
3) In the top menu, go back to View -> Measurements
4) Check the "Throttle" value. It should now be in the correct range.




To reset the Autolearning parameters (ECU fuel trims), using the drop-down selection box, select 'Reset autolearning parameters', then click 'Start'.








Done!






If you want to see some data change, you can start your engine and check out the readouts. Here I simply twisted the throttle (engine was not running).





Once you're done, click 'File' -> 'Disconnect' and you will be prompted to switch off the keyswitch. Switch off the key and click OK.






Done!












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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #4 on: April 26, 2014, 05:18:34 AM »
If you load a new map or do something simple to your stock map like switch of the lambda sensor, you may find you need to adjust the CO trim for a smoother idle or less smelly idle (too much fuel).

To do this with GuzzDiag, get your engine up to temperature (which is 60 deg celsius). Go for a short ride or let it idle with GuzziDiag connected so you can monitor the engine temp.






Once up to 60C, hit the kill switch. Click on 'View' -> 'CO Trim'





You will get the following dialog box. Click 'OK'






You will then be presented with the CO trim menu. Click 'Start'






You will get a dialog box that asks you to start your engine. Click 'Ok' and start 'er up.






With the engine running, click the plus '+' or 'minus '-' button to adjust the CO trim. You can go up to +128 or down to -128.

What value you use will depend on what type of map you have installed and what you are trying to achieve. If you have a map built specifically for the exhaust you have, you should only need to go +/- a small amount. If you smell unburnt fuel, try going to -5. Click 'Finish'. Let it idle for a few seconds. Better or worse? Go up or down as needed. With each change, make sure you click 'Finish'. If you have a rough or lumpy idle, try going positive first. Say, +3 or +5. Better or worse? Go up or down as needed. If you have to go more than 10 in either direction (as a rough guide), you may have the wrong map, or you have a mechanical issue you should address (TB balance or valves), or have forgotten to reset the TPS or autolearning parameters.

When you click 'Start' to make another adjustment, GuzziDiag will ask you start your engine again, but as it is already running, simply click 'OK' and go. Repeat as necessary until idle is smooth and at your required idle RPM. Always make sure you hit the 'Finish' button when you've made a change. Once done, hit the kill switch.

Try not to let the engine get too hot. You can't hurt anything by adjusting the CO trim, so if you feel you haven't quite got it right, let the engine cool off and start again. Of course, you can use a fan to assist with cooling.








Done!
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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #5 on: April 26, 2014, 06:09:31 AM »
*Very* nice.  ;-T Thanks for taking the time to do this..
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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #6 on: April 26, 2014, 06:19:13 AM »
Maybe pin this to the top.

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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #7 on: April 26, 2014, 08:43:59 AM »
Another thanks. I have struggled as one program would not open on my newer laptop. Also I could guess what each thing does, I did not know exactly how it worked. Tried to download Adobe reader and it has failed three times to load. I read it would open the single program I could not get open. Already fussed and cussed up a storm. Will try and get it all downloaded again later today. Get one of my genius daughters to get it up and running. Luckily when it came to brains they got it from their mom!!!

5AM GuzziDiag One_Lambda V1.27        What program do you use to open this? Please don't say Adobe reader.

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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #8 on: April 26, 2014, 10:12:19 AM »
5AM GuzziDiag One_Lambda V1.27        What program do you use to open this? Please don't say Adobe reader.

That one, as the others ending with xdf, are definitions from the layout of a map. So this one belongs to the one lambda 5am ecu. You use it with tunerpro to look at your map, if you download it from the bike. And you can modify anything you want. Download for tunerpro is linked on the guzzidiag website.
How to use it is in this youtube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=NrTlLpkGUDI
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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #9 on: April 26, 2014, 10:18:50 AM »
Fabulous effort, Beetle.  Thank you.

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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #10 on: April 26, 2014, 10:47:19 AM »
Excellent!! Makes me want a bike I could use it on. Great effort by all who have put this together. ;-T
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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #11 on: April 26, 2014, 04:05:45 PM »
I'm picking up my 02 Lemans next week and I understand it has a PC3 installed. My question is, does this year model utilize the Guzzi Diag, and would it do me any good to have it?   Dave
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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #12 on: April 26, 2014, 04:46:49 PM »
Once again a big thanks for putting in the time and effort to simplify a confusing (for idiots such as me) issue like this and make it idiot proof.

Could someone please pin this at the top

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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #13 on: April 26, 2014, 04:55:06 PM »
I'm picking up my 02 Lemans next week and I understand it has a PC3 installed. My question is, does this year model utilize the Guzzi Diag, and would it do me any good to have it?   Dave

Yes any injected Guzzi does. And a v11 can the map be changed too.
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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #14 on: April 26, 2014, 04:59:38 PM »
Yes any injected Guzzi does. And a v11 can the map be changed too.

Thanks I thought so.....Dave
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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #17 on: April 27, 2014, 09:47:45 PM »
Bravo!  Thanks for this.  you have covered reading, writing, resetting tps.  Post a bitcoin public address and i will send ya some coin. :) 
Yes yes, i cant wait to hear the feedback on this.  :)

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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #18 on: April 28, 2014, 08:22:14 AM »
Well Done!
Thanks for the effort Beetle.  The chapter on CO trim was lost on me til I read your instructions.
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« Reply #19 on: April 28, 2014, 09:17:56 AM »
Full marks sir(s).  :bow

I know enough about computers to get confused at times.  :P This is a huge help.
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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #20 on: April 30, 2014, 10:48:52 AM »
Yes any injected Guzzi does. And a v11 can the map be changed too.

Great tutorial!  With regard to the V11, is it possible to reset the TPS with Guzzidiag?  I seem to recall reading that this can only be done electronically on the 5AM bikes?

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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #21 on: April 30, 2014, 11:04:58 AM »
Great tutorial!  With regard to the V11, is it possible to reset the TPS with Guzzidiag?  I seem to recall reading that this can only be done electronically on the 5AM bikes?

Thanks,
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The TPS is set mechanically. You can use Guzzidiag to set the idle voltage.
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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #22 on: April 30, 2014, 02:24:48 PM »
The TPS is set mechanically. You can use Guzzidiag to set the idle voltage.

You should be carefull by usingGuzzidiag for low voltage, it it more a sort indication. The digital increments are way to big to be usefull to do something like a 150mv adjust. It's not more precise from what the ecu uses.

And next to the 5am, the 15rc on Breva 750 can be reset. And so is the bellagio where the tps should never be set with guzzidiag, that is a strange thing, a bastard between a cali 1100 and a calc.
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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #23 on: May 04, 2014, 09:25:16 PM »
Thanks again for all your work this is awesome!!
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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #24 on: May 05, 2014, 03:31:21 AM »
does it work with a power commander?
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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #25 on: May 05, 2014, 04:31:23 AM »
Guzzidiag will set the TPS and run diagnostics etc. whether a Power commander is fitted or not. It will not communicate with a Power commander directly but you could still alter various parts of the engine map such as ignition timing and still leave the Power commander in place to control the fueling. I'm not sure it would be a good idea though far better to input the PC data directly into the ecu and then do away with it.
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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #26 on: May 07, 2014, 07:49:33 AM »
OK, got the cables yesterday and have download all files Ithink I need for GuzziDiag. Now the question is how do I find the correct maps for a 2002 EV with an H pipe? And a map for a stock 2006 1100 Breva?   I guess I need to buy a plug for the O2 sensor on the Breva.


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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #27 on: May 07, 2014, 08:21:59 AM »
OK, got the cables yesterday and have download all files Ithink I need for GuzziDiag. Now the question is how do I find the correct maps for a 2002 EV with an H pipe? And a map for a stock 2006 1100 Breva?   I guess I need to buy a plug for the O2 sensor on the Breva.


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The P8 has a rom that you need to burn.

Even if it is the 15M, you need to use the reader software to read your rom. Then you modify your rom map, and write it back.
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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #28 on: May 19, 2014, 07:33:28 PM »
I need some guidance.
I guess I got a little spoiled with the 1200 sport having only to press a reset button to correct the tps.
I've added an 08' California Vintage to the fleet and finally got the GuzzieDiag all hooked up and running right.
Here is what it told me after I adjusted the throttle balance and the voltage to 480mv.
At idle:
CO trim -120
rpm 1277 (yes, the tach lied to me just as forewarned)
throttle 4.87 degrees
Ignition advance 10.5 degrees
tps 39
Lambda 40 mv

The bike has lots of spunk, but at idle when warm, it hesitates often. It didn't hesitate as often when the voltage was at just a bit better than 400mv.

It's like it is searching for the right air/fuel mix to idle right.

I followed Wayne Orwig's suggestion to ignore the baseline reset to 150mv because I had this diagnostic tool called GuzziDiag.

What should I do next?

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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #29 on: May 20, 2014, 02:00:38 PM »
Dean start over and do it like the book tells you. The diagnostic is can do it's work when some hardware base settings are correct. The 150 mv should be measured with a voltmeter, in that range the resolution of the ecu isn't good enough. And when doing that it should completely closed.

 And for maps, start with reading what map you have in the left bottom corner in Guzzidiag. Then I can tell you is there is someting better
« Last Edit: May 20, 2014, 02:02:28 PM by pauldaytona »
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