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No I'm arguing over about 10 hp from your claims, which is approaching 20% but more importantly represents the primary difference between a rubbermount generation motor and the previous solidmounts.And honestly, I'm talking about a tend I've noticed in dynos from multiple sources, magazine and owners.As for Buell, mine makes nearly 100 rwhp, has no problems with heat, and I doubt the original owner would have kept it so long if there were mechanical issues.The problems came with strangling emissions and HP races, as well as pressures from Harley to rapidly up production and cut costs. What's really sad is they were through the tunnel by the end.
I'm wondering if the 1200c and the 1200r have identical engines. I' m pretty content with the acceleration of my bone stock 1200 Roadster, except for that flippin rev limiter ;)
Kev m , Certainly the rubber mount Sportsters are a great improvement over the older bikes , but aren't they about 50 lbs heavier ? Yeah , I kid you HD guys a bit , but the basic Sportster platform , and for that matter the Dyna series models , are to me , much more attractive than the new Indians . Something basic and elemental about those platforms , and I do have some experience with them , fun bikes . If it just weren't for the "attitude" thing ;D Dusty
Yup, they are...or about 10%, which takes away a little of the power improvement.BUT the Buell Thunderstorm Spec heads and W-cams means they also respond better to Stage I improvements.And, to put it in perspective, let's keep in mind that weight wise it only means they about equal a Tonti Cali.
Something I have pondered for years , since HD knows how to build a counterbalanced motor , why have they continued rubber mounting ? The could engineer balance shafts that would allow a bit of throb , and make the life of components attached to the motor much more pleasant . Seems to me it would also increase chassis stiffness . Dusty
Oh well. They sell like hotcakes.
They d o, it's called the TCB, and has been installed in Softails since the demise of the EVO.Don't know why they chose rubbermounting over balancing for the Sportster (perhaps size or narrowness), but the former IS the method they chose with most of their air-cooled bikes, specifically the Dynas and sales leading FLH's.
I figured when the Balanced Twin-Cam-B was introduced that the engine would find its way into every other model.I was surprised in '09 when the new touring chassis was rubber mounted. They could've had a really stiff, good handling chassis with solid mounting and counter balancing.I was also surprised/disappointed back in '04 when the new Sportster frame showed up as rubber mounted, and with a 50 lbs weight gain! Adding counter balancers would've been expensive, but much better for weight and chassis stiffness...Oh well. They sell like hotcakes. It will be years before Indian's total production nears HD's Sportster production...
Every year, a local BMW dealer would have a self guided ride over very twisty roads through western Massachusetts and southern Vermont. I used to take great delight in passing a lot of K and R bikes through the tighter portions of the ride on my FLHS. The chassis rigidity was just fine. Erik Buell built the best handling bikes I've ever ridden, and all of them had rubber mounted engines. Why add heavy moving parts to an engine when it's not necessary?
Your anecdotal story speaks more to your riding than to your old FLHS. Don't get me wrong, I loved the FLHS. You were passing riders who were not willing to ride as fast as you were willing to ride on that stretch of road. Anyway, We're talking Sportster mainly here, and it's true that the Sportster gained 50 lbs when it got the rubber mounted frame in 2004. Fifty pounds the wrong way, if you ask this Sportster fan. I've owned two Sportsters and really enjoyed them. A 1974 XLCH and a 1994 XLH883. Being on the sportier end of the rider spectrum, I'd have much rather seen counter balancers in the engine and a lighter overall bike, rather than the resulting 550+ lbs Sportster...
Whereas some wind gusts were taking me and the Breva CLEAR across more than one lane...
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It's not incorrect (and look at my signature, I have ridden and appreciate it lol), but you're taking it out of context.Those Buell's wouldn't make today's emissions standards.
Come clean Kev m, because they wouldn't meet 2014 emissions they don't have those torque and HP figures? That's simply a denial that you may have overstated your facts. Nothing more nothing less.
Howdy,......What is interesting to me is that every time I would mention that I'd love to see a more "standard" Scout like a Bonneville, V7, CB1100, etcetera, I would get looks and comments like I must be the biggest dummy on the planet. Those comments came from both potential customers and the dealer employees.
What is interesting to me is that every time I would mention that I'd love to see a more "standard" Scout like a Bonneville, V7, CB1100, etcetera, I would get looks and comments like I must be the biggest dummy on the planet. Those comments came from both potential customers and the dealer employees. Such is life, eh? It's really a shame, because in my view, they are alienating thousands of potential customers that would like to buy an American made motorcycle. So I'll stay with my Triumph and will look to Guzzi for my next machine. Probably a V7 Stone in white.
Chances are, the people you mentioned "Bonneville, V7, and CB1100" to didn't even know what you were talking about. If they're from the cruiser world, those bikes are not on their radars...
Hey, I'm not making a judgment. Just stating facts, as I've seen them over the years. There was a time when I wore the HD blinders, so I understand the phenomenon. It's just the way it is.
There's your answer. Harley won't fix something that ain't broke. ;D The faithful either don't know or don't care..