EICMA 2015 - New V7 Roamer/Bobber and MGX-21 Bagger The photos are rolling in.

[oldbike54]

Well, I've got silly hipster wheels on the Griso!

Pete

 Yeah , and I like veggies , oh hell , we are both hipsters 

  Dusty

[jas67]

The one with the fat tyres looks like the sort of thing you see with kids sitting on it on a fairground attraction.

I understand people wanting that 'Style' of bike, (Well I don't, but if obsolete styling and technology floats your boat that's fine.) but why can't it go hand in hand with something that will actually work for something other than carrying your beard grooming products back from the vegan cafe?

Pete

Obsolete styling and technology?    Doesn't that describe the V7 to a tee?      I enjoy my obsolete styling and technology that I've got two of 'em!   

[Kev m]

The one with the fat tyres looks like the sort of thing you see with kids sitting on it on a fairground attraction.

I understand people wanting that 'Style' of bike, (Well I don't, but if obsolete styling and technology floats your boat that's fine.) but why can't it go hand in hand with something that will actually work for something other than carrying your beard grooming products back from the vegan cafe?

Pete

Sorry Pete but I have to disagree. What's obsolete about the technology? There's nothing different about this bike in that way than seemingly any other Guzzi.

And styling? Why is it objectively worse than my V7 or your Griso?

I actually prefer the fatter tire version to the skinny one. It's not like these tires are going to be so fat they dramatically slow the steering to the point where it's heavier and slower than the average Harley.

And as I pointed out today in another thread the vast majority of riders (MYSELF INCLUDED) can't use all the capability of our bikes anyway.

No, I'm actually liking the possibilities of this bike more and more.

[Dogwalker]

nope not fer me as is - leaving aside what looks to be heron heads again??

They are hemi.

[Dogwalker]

Moto Guzzi aren't the only Italian moto company to make such a monstrosity.   Ducati saw Guzzi's Nevada, and raised them with ugly wheels.

Really the Indiana predates the Nevada, and is a contemporary of the V65 Florida. It was the style that sold on those days, as the similar japanese bikes demonstrates.

[Kev m]

They are hemi.

Is it a 2V or a 4V head?

[Dogwalker]

It seems they are 2V, like those of the Aero engine.

[Vasco DG]

It seems they are 2V, like those of the Aero engine.

Based on what? To me the plug lead covers and overall engine design make me think more of another iteration of the tired old bore and stroke experiments with the smallblock platform.

I don't think they could get a 2V hemi to meet emissions regs and if it was. 4V it would have a central plug rather than an offset one.

I want to see something innovative, I'm not holding my breath. Ironically Guzzi now produce fantastic gearboxes. Sadly with the smallblocks they stuff them into sub-optimal running gear and put them behind wheezy engines.

Pete

[johnr]

I like it.  It's awesome.  Great little roadster.


I also like the fuel tank.  Sure, it's smaller.  But, it has some style!  It reminds me of the Hurricane of the '70s.  Not a bad thing.

Yes but on the Vetter Rocket (Hurricane) it looked good.

[pauldaytona]

It seems they are 2V, like those of the Aero engine.

I don't think so:

[Dogwalker]

I don't think so:

Those are V7 Engines, as you can easily guess from the color and the numbers of the fins (the "V9" engine has black fins with polished edges and a fin more over the exhaust).

[Dogwalker]

Based on what?

Said by someone who works at Gilardoni (they make the cylinders). obviously is not like having seen them in person, but i think he is reliable.

I don't think they could get a 2V hemi to meet emissions regs

the Ducati Scrambler, both the 800 and the soon-to-be-presented 400, are 2V hemi.

[Vasco DG]

the Ducati Scrambler, both the 800 and the soon-to-be-presented 400, are 2V hemi.

Included valve angle? Combustion chamber shape? Guzzi has the Hemi head, it chooses not to use it. Why?

Pete

[Dogwalker]

Included valve angle? Combustion chamber shape?

Even giving that the included valve angle and combustion chamber shape of the Ducs are the only possible to meet the emmission standards (and it's already an idiocy) there is something in the included valve angle and combustion chamber shape of the Ducs that makes it impossible for others to use them?

Guzzi has the Hemi head, it chooses not to use it. Why?

The Bellagio still has hemi heads. Is not like they never used them.

I have to add that, in the SB, very little could be said from the lead plug cover. Seen from the outside, the plug is in the same position in the V2 heron heads, 4V rods and rockers heads (Lario), 2V hemi heads (hippo), end even in the 4V ohc prototype (Falco).
It's cause, even when they switch to 4V heads, there is not enough space between the rockers to insert a plug centrally.

[jas67]

Even giving that the included valve angle and combustion chamber shape of the Ducs are the only possible to meet the emmission standards (and it's already an idiocy) there is something in the included valve angle and combustion chamber shape of the Ducs that makes it impossible for others to use them?
The Bellagio still has hemi heads. Is not like they never used them.

Ducati are owned by VW, maybe they cheated the emissions tests.   


But, seriously, though, why would it be any tougher for an engine to meet emissions standards with hemi heads than with heron heads?   I would think that the hemi engine would be more efficient, and thus burn more cleanly.

[Dogwalker]

But, seriously, though, why would it be any tougher for an engine to meet emissions standards with hemi heads than with heron heads?

Infact there is no reason. Other things are important. Valve lift, overlap, swirl...

[Aaron D.]

You may be surprised at how light the steering will be with those tires if the geometry is right.

The styling is indeed in a fashion that is popular these days-imagine, they want to sell some motorcycles. Hang them high!

But as most of those styling cues come from popularity, so too is the popularity due to the fact that most of it just plain works when it comes to using the bike. Not everyone is worried about unsprung weight.

[Kev m]

Ducati are owned by VW, maybe they cheated the emissions tests.   

 

You may be surprised at how light the steering will be with those tires if the geometry is right.

The styling is indeed in a fashion that is popular these days-imagine, they want to sell some motorcycles. Hang them high!

But as most of those styling cues come from popularity, so too is the popularity due to the fact that most of it just plain works when it comes to using the bike. Not everyone is worried about unsprung weight.

  Here here! 

[Penderic]

Dang!  I want that tank pad, too.  Where?  How much?

Its from that Japan site. $140. Made by a company called Oscar. In Canada our exchange rate makes many foreign purchases very expensive, but the tank pad is not too bad at all.

http://japan.webike.net/products/20409023.html

They have a couple of nice fairings at that site as well. The plain white ones are reasonable but the price doubles if you choose a gloss black or green/gold colored fairing.




I think Kevm got his frame protectors from here too. 

[Kev m]

I think Kevm got his frame protectors from here too. 

That's entirely possible. Can't say 100% cause Jenn got em for me for x-mass that year.

But entirely possible

http://japan.webike.net/products/20310046.html

[Dogwalker]

[Kev m]

I kinda like it:

[oldbike54]

I kinda like it:

 UH OH , another hipster comes out  Like I said earlier , the black wheels create an illusion that the tires are kinda fat .

  Dusty

[Xlratr]

Cool! What's not to like? It's a real motorbike and like I said, it just looks balanced.
The testers will slam the seat, but it does look good!

Why is it for hipsters? Does that mean, if I don't know the answer that I'm also a hipster?
John

[Dogwalker]

High resolution.

http://teamsicilia.org/wp-content/uploads/moto_guzzi_v9_bobber_anteprima.jpg

[Kev m]

UH OH , another hipster comes out  Like I said earlier , the black wheels create an illusion that the tires are kinda fat .

  Dusty

Yeah but those fat tires will make my butt look smaller... even though it still won't help me get into skinny jeans.

Hmm, I feel a full beard coming on for winter too. 

[Loftness]

Whats the source for the shot of the white version?

[Kev m]

High resolution.

http://teamsicilia.org/wp-content/uploads/moto_guzzi_v9_bobber_anteprima.jpg

Ohh, nice. Thanks.

I think I see the USB socket on the steering head (if that's what's under that cover).

[Dogwalker]

Whats the source for the shot of the white version?

http://www.moto.it/news/eicma-2015-moto-guzzi-v9-roamer.html

[jas67]

I like the look of the white bike a lot better.    The narrow front tire looks "right."    As for the fuel tank shape, Meh.    I'm thinking I'd still like it better with the V7 tank, though, the bike as a whole is starting to grow on me.

I'm axious for the official reveal at EICMA.