V7 Stone Cast Wheels on a V7 Classic

[Moto Fugazzi]

I picked up a set of used Stone wheels to replace my V7 Classic spoked wheels. I realized that the rear brake rotor is different between the 2 wheels. I'm wondering what else I'll need to swap to do the conversion.

Anybody else do the swap and have a list of parts that are needed? The brake caliper and carrier are different between the two models, but the spacer between the wheel and final drive have the same part number.

I currently have the rear Stone wheel ready to go with a new tire mounted and the proper rotor installed. Just don't want to take it apart again only to find out I need a different caliper and carrier.

FWIW, the front wheel went on with the stock Classic parts (axle, spacers, etc.) without issue.

Ken

[jas67]

FWIW, the stone wheels and special wheels swap (along with their respective rotors) without changing anything else on the bike.

So, if you've got the (stone) rotors attached, they should bolt right on and work with your calipers.

[Moto Fugazzi]

Thanks! I'll post pics when I'm done.
Ken

[Moto Fugazzi]

Stone wheels now on my V7C. I also installed an aluminum front fender that I had laying around from a past project. I'll probably have it powder coated in winter.
Ken

[Kev m]

Looks great!

[Moto Fugazzi]

The weather finally cleared up for me to take it for a ride, and now my speedo doesn't work. Looking at the rear wheel sensor, it's not close enough to the rotor to pickup anything. If I wave a wrench close to it, the speedo does get a reading. It appears that I can wave a wrench at 25MPH!

Anybody know what I need to do to get the speedo working correctly? FWIW, I did use stainless bolts to mount the rotor, but the bolts aren't even close to the sender.
Ken

Here's some pics of where the sender is in relationship to the rotor and wheel.

[Kev m]

I assume there are no shims on the sensor.

It sounds like the sensor mount needs to be carefully bored out to permit the sensor to sit deeper. I wonder if there's a different sensor on later models? Or a different mounting bracket?

[Moto Fugazzi]

I assume there are no shims on the sensor.

It sounds like the sensor mount needs to be carefully bored out to permit the sensor to sit deeper. I wonder if there's a different sensor on later models? Or a different mounting bracket?

Looks like they use a different mounting bracket and caliper. As far as I can tell, 2014 has the same swing arm as the 2009, so I should be able to use the 2014 carrier and caliper on my 2009 V7C. The wheels and rotor I have are from a 2014 as well.

Hey Kev,
Any chance you can snap a pic of the location of your sensor? I'm curious to see how far off I am from making this work.
Ken

[Kev m]

I'll go out now and take a measurement too.

[Kev m]

Ok, If I've not had too much vodka to measure tonight I'm getting 0.061-0.062" (1.55-1.58mm). But it's hard to access and the bike is currently parked tight to the Harley and it's stupid hot out there.

Sensor looks like it's under a plastic cover and I'm measuring between the end of the plastic and the rear brake rotor bolt head.

[Moto Fugazzi]

Thanks Kev! Just the info I needed. I have 2 options here,
1. Order the proper carrier, caliper and sensor and have it done properly.
2. Build something to mount to the carrier to get the sensor much closer to the bolts. There's a chance it could break off and get caught       in the wheel.

I went with option #1 just now, and ordered the used parts off of eBay. IIRC, stainless isn't magnetic, so I'll have to get some steel bolts to mount the rotor. I sure hope that the speedo reads correctly after this mod.
Ken

[jas67]

Hmmm, I swapped the wire and stone wheels between my V7R (which had Stone wheels) and V7 Special w/o any problems.

So, are the earlier (2012 and earlier) bikes such as the Classic a little different with respect to the brake rotor carriers, and speedo pickup?

[Kev m]

So, are the earlier (2012 and earlier) bikes such as the Classic a little different with respect to the brake rotor carriers, and speedo pickup?

Uh duh... it would seem that way no?

See the first post, calipers are different too.

[Moto Fugazzi]

It makes much more sense now. Didn't MG switch to an an aluminum or alloy wire wheel in 2012? Brake rotors are the same between the wire wheel and alloy wheel from 2012 and newer. With that being said, you can't directly swap a rear wheel from 2012 or newer on to a 2009-2011 V7.

From what I can tell, the swing arm is the same from 2009-2015. If you want to put Stone cast wheels on your 2009-2011 V7, you'll also need the caliper, rotor, and speed sensor unless you want to rig something else up for the speed sensor (the rotor and caliper from my 2009 still bolt on and work normally). I suppose you can run it without the sensor, but you won't know your MPH and your odometer won't work. I also noticed that my bike is running a little rough, but I'm thinking it may be related to the speed sensor not working. We'll see once I get this all sorted out.

I'm also hoping that Harper's doesn't have an issue with me borrowing their photos. Curtis has always been a big help to me.
Ken

2009-2011 Wire Wheel



2012+ Wire Wheel



2012 Cast Wheel

[Cam3512]

Probably not a good idea to use stainless bolts to mount the rotor anyway.  They're not as strong, and I'd want strong for that application.

[Moto Fugazzi]

Anybody know the thread size and pitch of the rear caliper from a 2014 Stone? I'd like to install a speed bleeder when I install the new caliper.

EDIT: Front and rear are both M8x1.25/1.28  (1.28 is the overall length in inches).

Ken

[Moto Fugazzi]

Rear wheel successfully installed tonight. Here's what you need if anybody else is converting a V7 Classic to V7 Stone cast wheels:
Front wheel: Nothing needed besides the cast wheel. The rotor swaps over with no issue at all.

Rear Wheel, you need:
Stone rotor, caliper, caliper carrier and speed sensor. The axle (spindle) and spacers from the Classic work perfectly. You'll also need the proper mounting bolts for the rotor and caliper as the Classics parts won't work.

The speed sensor cable is very long, and snakes along the bottom of the bike, then up next to ECU and ends up right behind the fuel tank (under the seat) and the connectors are a direct fit.

Since my Classic was paid off years ago, this was a worthwhile conversion for me, but if I was to do it again, I would just buy a newer Stone with the cast wheels.

Hope this helps others in the future.
Ken