Something for 2V Norge and Sport 1200-2V owners.

[pete roper]

I wond detail things because whenever I do the trolls seem to pour out of the woodwork and quite simply I can't be arsed but we're just completing a 200,000km overhaul of a 1200 Sport 2V and the news is very good.

If you are the sort of person who thinks a motorbike is buggered at 50,000 miles think again. This thing is bog stock apart from a map. It's the one that I found out about the lack of grease in the shock linkages and swingarm bearings with at about 50,000km. Well the new ones we put in then with a ton of grease went straight back in. Steering head bearings needed greasing, that's all.

It needed a clutch and the friction faces grinding. The gearbox needed nothing. The CARC needed nothing. The engine required more than anything new rings, they were buggered. The heads?  They needed K-lines in the exhaust guides only, (Really!) and if it wasn't for the fact that it'll do another 200,000 before it comes back again the valves would of gone round again!

A new camchain just because. Rocker spindles and bushes were fine. Tappets were fine. Cam was fine! Bugger me? What does it take to kill one of these things!

Some seals were a bit weepy and were replaced as a matter of course but really it was in remarkably good shape. It's not a bike that is 'Babied' by any stretch of the imagination. It does high miles loaded to the gunwales with two people and travelling gear. What a star!

Pete

[tris]

Hi Pete

How much (if any) of this good news could be read across to my Breva 1100 which is at about 35k miles now and properly serviced from new?

It all feels fine to me, but it is as well to be prepared

Cheers

[Huzo]

What oil has he used from the start Peter. I've used NOTHING but Motul of correct grade (5100/7100) is the marketing name, I think it's 50w60. But anyway, one would be entitled to hope that he might see similar service out of his '07 Norge ? Always changed the engine/ gearbox/ final drive @ 10,000 k intervals with Motul 90w in the 'box and bevels. I never belt the guts out of it, except for once up near Canberra recently... As I said to my ex wife, "it only happened once, and it meant nothing"...

[pete roper]

Hi Pete

How much (if any) of this good news could be read across to my Breva 1100 which is at about 35k miles now and properly serviced from new?

It all feels fine to me, but it is as well to be prepared

Cheers

I'd guess all of it. The thing's a bloody tank!

 

[twodogs]

Good news indead. Thanks Pete.
Bruce

[tris]

I'd guess all of it. The thing's a bloody tank!

 

Wahoo 

[Sheepdog]

My Vintage is ten years old now and I've brought it to my closest dealer (190 miles away) for a refresh. The engine is fine, but the suspension is getting tired, so I'm putting in a set of Hyperpro fork springs and adding a set of Ikon shocks. Apart from that...just maintenance (though I asked them to service the steering head). I seriously considered getting a newer bike, but I really like my Vintage. Nice to know that I made a good decision...

[ohiorider]

Good info about the 2v Sport.  If that holds true for my 08 Sport, it's barely past half life at 64,000 miles! It truly is built like a tank.

Bob

[PJPR01]

Nice update...plenty of useful miles left then at this rate!  At first read, I thought  you had taken Huzo's bike apart, but it sounds like another Norge is well ridden...great progress report.

[pete roper]

Nice update...plenty of useful miles left then at this rate!  At first read, I thought  you had taken Huzo's bike apart, but it sounds like another Norge is well ridden...great progress report.

Nah, this one is a 1200 Sport but it's essentially the same bike but without the acres of plastic.

Pete

[PJPR01]

Nah, this one is a 1200 Sport but it's essentially the same bike but without the acres of plastic.

Pete

[Huzo]

Nice update...plenty of useful miles left then at this rate!  At first read, I thought  you had taken Huzo's bike apart, but it sounds like another Norge is well ridden...great progress report.

Nah not yet, but one day he will. I can't seem to wear the bugger out, maybe stop using good oil and drop the level to 800 cc's... Would that help ?

[guzzi ride]

Good to know Pete. Just wish they would use a little more grease

[jdgretz]

Nice to know.  My Norge is at 78,000 miles (125Km more or less), so I guess I have another 50K miles to go before thinking about a refresh.

Yeah, hard to kill these beasts.

jdg

[pete roper]

Nice to know.  My Norge is at 78,000 miles (125Km more or less), so I guess I have another 50K miles to go before thinking about a refresh.

Yeah, hard to kill these beasts.

jdg

The highest wear was the rings. By the time I went in the oil ring in particular was not doing an awful lot and most of the oil containment was being done, (Not very well because it is only supposed to be a secondary line of defence!) by the second compression ring which is a torsional, taper faced semi-scraper. The squish band of the piston was cashed spotlessly clean by the amount of oil passing over it but the dome had a vast amount of carbon on it. It took ages of soaking and scrubbing to get that off!

Having seen what was what at this mileage on this model I'd probably suggest go in at about 150,000km and re-ring it, fling a camchain at it, (The difference between the old and the new was negligible but a chain is cheap!) and leave it at that as far as the engine is concerned.

Clutches of course van vary in there wear enormously depending on how they are used.

Chassis wise it really goes to show how important greasing of the swingarm bearings and shock linkages is. The bearings I'd put in at about 50,000 after the first set fell to bits were still fully serviceable. Why? Because they were full of grease!

The TiN on the fork legs is a bit second hand but they aren't leaking so? Meh!

Pete

[Idontwantapickle]

I wond detail things because whenever I do the trolls seem to pour out of the woodwork and quite simply I can't be arsed but we're just completing a 200,000km overhaul of a 1200 Sport 2V and the news is very good.

If you are the sort of person who thinks a motorbike is buggered at 50,000 miles think again. This thing is bog stock apart from a map. It's the one that I found out about the lack of grease in the shock linkages and swingarm bearings with at about 50,000km. Well the new ones we put in then with a ton of grease went straight back in. Steering head bearings needed greasing, that's all.

It needed a clutch and the friction faces grinding. The gearbox needed nothing. The CARC needed nothing. The engine required more than anything new rings, they were buggered. The heads?  They needed K-lines in the exhaust guides only, (Really!) and if it wasn't for the fact that it'll do another 200,000 before it comes back again the valves would of gone round again!

A new camchain just because. Rocker spindles and bushes were fine. Tappets were fine. Cam was fine! Bugger me? What does it take to kill one of these things!

Some seals were a bit weepy and were replaced as a matter of course but really it was in remarkably good shape. It's not a bike that is 'Babied' by any stretch of the imagination. It does high miles loaded to the gunwales with two people and travelling gear. What a star!

Pete

I do NOT want to start an oil thread but don't ya think that proper oil and grease really are the key to exploiting the inherit design strengths of the Guzzi? Even an ancient Eldo can go way over 100K miles without problems and that was with the oil in the 70s with no filter! I am not surprised that a Norge can do the same or better. It should!
Hunter

[Ozrider58]

No that bike ridden with them many of times and they do hard mile. My B1100 now has 120000k on it. Only problem is a bit of oil.weeping around the bell house. I'm.not gentle on the bike either.  Mick

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