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Mapping the California 1400 is ready now
« on: March 10, 2018, 05:06:58 PM »
After a huge amount of hours The reader/writer for the 7SM ecu of the California 1400/MGX21 is ready. There are 3 maps for these bikes, that can't be mixed. The HW number that is written on the ECu, like HW100 or HW310 must match the map that is loaded. No problem if you change your own map. But watch out with a map from other sources.

Beetle has made an XDF for one of the three maps, I translated that so there is an XDF for each type of ecu.   

The types are

- all euro 3  bikes
- all euro 4 bikes
- mgx21
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Re: Mapping the California 1400 is ready now
« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2018, 06:09:13 PM »
Bravo! You guys are our own personal NASA...exploring new worlds...thanks!!!!  :bow:
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Re: Mapping the California 1400 is ready now
« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2018, 07:53:29 PM »
You guy's rule! :bow: Howdoes a single map download affect all three ride modes and is there a lamda off map yet?

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Re: Mapping the California 1400 is ready now
« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2018, 08:07:40 PM »
The ride modes, Turismo, Veloce & Pioggia, each have there own torque adjustment table, so adjusting the fuel correction should (theoretically) maintain the same ratio.

Send me your map and I'll switch lambda off for you. I'm only going to modify maps sent to me by the user, that way there can be no mix ups and potential ECU bricking.



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Re: Mapping the California 1400 is ready now
« Reply #4 on: March 10, 2018, 08:55:38 PM »
Interestingly it seems that the 1400's are speed limited in 5th and 6th gear by limiting throttle plate movement. That seems weird but entirely believable!

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Re: Mapping the California 1400 is ready now
« Reply #5 on: March 10, 2018, 11:42:53 PM »
Interestingly it seems that the 1400's are speed limited in 5th and 6th gear by limiting throttle plate movement. That seems weird but entirely believable!

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I wonder if that's what they did on the new Goldwing to limit it to 112MHP?

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Re: Mapping the California 1400 is ready now
« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2018, 03:21:21 AM »
Mapping the 7sm is quite different from earlier ecu's. Since it's drive by wire, the tables don't relate to the throttle, but often they call it "torque request". There is not a fixed link between your hand and most tables. 
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Re: Mapping the California 1400 is ready now
« Reply #7 on: March 11, 2018, 08:44:34 AM »
Interestingly it seems that the 1400's are speed limited in 5th and 6th gear by limiting throttle plate movement. That seems weird but entirely believable!

Pete

Nanny state bastards . 

 So , if I understand this correctly, you can alter values on only certain tables and only on the base map specific to your ecu. I am actually happy with the linear throttle response as is. Looking at the plugs I would guess it runs a bit lean and the lumpy idle I could live without. I suspect the idle issue is likely related to timing and not fuel. Look forward to a fix for that issue. Nice work!

 Beetle , I will send you the cali and the Tuono maps for your library as soon as winter gives it up here.
Thanks for responding all you guy's :thumb:

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Re: Mapping the California 1400 is ready now
« Reply #8 on: March 12, 2018, 12:10:47 AM »
OK, so how does this remapping capper work?
Is there a map that gets made for the individual bike, mods etc and what is the process to get the map into the bike?


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Re: Mapping the California 1400 is ready now
« Reply #9 on: March 12, 2018, 12:47:19 AM »
Nanny state bastards . 

 So , if I understand this correctly, you can alter values on only certain tables and only on the base map specific to your ecu. I am actually happy with the linear throttle response as is. Looking at the plugs I would guess it runs a bit lean and the lumpy idle I could live without. I suspect the idle issue is likely related to timing and not fuel. Look forward to a fix for that issue. Nice work!

 Beetle , I will send you the cali and the Tuono maps for your library as soon as winter gives it up here.
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You're pretty much on the money

The maps are effectively the same, in that the correction tables are identical in function, if not values. However, as the 7SM hardware differs between early and later models, the software is different. The maps are not interchangeable between HW versions (effectively Euro3 and Euro4 bikes).

It might be being ultra cautious, but I'm not interested in sending "universal" maps to folks. The risk of bricking your ECU is real.

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Re: Mapping the California 1400 is ready now
« Reply #10 on: March 12, 2018, 03:40:41 PM »
Interestingly it seems that the 1400's are speed limited in 5th and 6th gear by limiting throttle plate movement. That seems weird but entirely believable!

Pete

Does that mean if I remap my Touring it will go like a bazillion miles an hour?  I'm hoping to drag race the guy with the V11 who says it has 125hp.   Bwahahahaha!

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Re: Mapping the California 1400 is ready now
« Reply #11 on: May 03, 2018, 11:53:11 AM »
Do you have any input about the hanging throttle that has been reported @ 3000 rpm? Does the 7sm add fuel at 3000 rpm to eliminate engine braking

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Re: Mapping the California 1400 is ready now
« Reply #12 on: May 03, 2018, 06:02:49 PM »
Logging shows fuel is cut on a closed throttle until approx 3000 RPM. However, the stock map is quite lean at this point. It is my understanding that the secondary coils start firing at 2750 RPM, which may exacerbate the issue. Modifying the fuel correction tables can reduce this affect to virtually non existent.



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Re: Mapping the California 1400 is ready now
« Reply #13 on: May 05, 2018, 08:17:45 AM »
Mapping the 7sm is quite different from earlier ecu's. Since it's drive by wire, the tables don't relate to the throttle, but often they call it "torque request". There is not a fixed link between your hand and most tables.
Do you have anything for my 06 B11? What's your website?

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Re: Mapping the California 1400 is ready now
« Reply #14 on: May 05, 2018, 05:12:32 PM »
Logging shows fuel is cut on a closed throttle until approx 3000 RPM. However, the stock map is quite lean at this point. It is my understanding that the secondary coils start firing at 2750 RPM, which may exacerbate the issue. Modifying the fuel correction tables can reduce this affect to virtually non existent.

Is that why when I cut the throttle at about 3,300rpm and it goes down to 2,700rpm it sounds like the jake brake on a big rig?  I have Mistrals which probably exacerbate the problem.

Just for curiosity sake...are you saying you can remove the speed limiter with your mapping?  I'd be interested in knowing just how fast a Cali 1400 could go without the limiter.  I'm not sure what the point of the limiter is in the first place.  The Griso has more hp and goes about 130mph.  Why limit the California to 125?

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Re: Mapping the California 1400 is ready now
« Reply #15 on: May 05, 2018, 07:03:39 PM »
Is that why when I cut the throttle at about 3,300rpm and it goes down to 2,700rpm it sounds like the jake brake on a big rig?  I have Mistrals which probably exacerbate the problem.

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Just for curiosity sake...are you saying you can remove the speed limiter with your mapping?  I'd be interested in knowing just how fast a Cali 1400 could go without the limiter.  I'm not sure what the point of the limiter is in the first place.  The Griso has more hp and goes about 130mph.  Why limit the California to 125?



I never said I could remove the speed limiter. I'm not even sure I'd want if I could. It may even be an inherent feature of the ABS unit (which sends the speed signal to the ECU).

The 7SM map is huge. There's more data tables and on/off flags in there than you can poke a stick at. We've identified a few. If it's a flag that can be switched off, do you want to volunteer to test it?

Besides, the Griso can do at least 140.   :grin:


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Re: Mapping the California 1400 is ready now
« Reply #16 on: May 05, 2018, 08:10:39 PM »
Hmmm, a map with some fuel economy savings might be nice.
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Re: Mapping the California 1400 is ready now
« Reply #17 on: May 06, 2018, 03:59:57 AM »
Yes.




I never said I could remove the speed limiter. I'm not even sure I'd want if I could. It may even be an inherent feature of the ABS unit (which sends the speed signal to the ECU).

The 7SM map is huge. There's more data tables and on/off flags in there than you can poke a stick at. We've identified a few. If it's a flag that can be switched off, do you want to volunteer to test it?

Besides, the Griso can do at least 140.   :grin:

A remap might be worth it just to eliminate the BWAAAAAAAH!!!!!! nonsense every time I let off the throttle.  It always seems to happen in second gear as I'm entering a town and because it's so loud with Mistrals it makes me feel like an attention whore.  Anyone near by snaps their head around to see what the ruckus is about.  The fuel shutting off abruptly is also a helmet knocker riding two up because it's like hitting the brakes.   I hate it for both reasons. 

I may be interested in messing with the mapping and being a guinea pig but I'm a bit of a luddite.  Switching tables on and off intimidates me a bit.  However, the thought of a 140mph California makes me giggle enough that I'm very intrigued.  I definitely don't want to lose ABS(or TC) though.     


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Re: Mapping the California 1400 is ready now
« Reply #18 on: May 06, 2018, 05:07:49 AM »
Stay tuned. I don't think we'll be getting a Cali doing 140 just yet, but smoother on the overrun is definitely happening.


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Re: Mapping the California 1400 is ready now
« Reply #19 on: May 28, 2018, 04:50:36 PM »
So are we able to use GuzziDiag to up and download maps to the 7SM at this point?

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Re: Mapping the California 1400 is ready now
« Reply #20 on: November 14, 2018, 07:18:06 PM »
Bumping this up to find out what the current status is. Any progress with the 1400 map?
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Re: Mapping the California 1400 is ready now
« Reply #21 on: November 15, 2018, 10:42:26 AM »
Stay tuned. I don't think we'll be getting a Cali doing 140 just yet, but smoother on the overrun is definitely happening.

I concur.  My Cali Custom's top speed is rpm limited.  In sixth gear it runs right up to the rev limiter (128 mph indicated).
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Re: Mapping the California 1400 is ready now
« Reply #22 on: November 15, 2018, 10:59:58 AM »
I concur.  My Cali Custom's top speed is rpm limited.  In sixth gear it runs right up to the rev limiter (128 mph indicated).

That's my recollection from reading contemporary tests. There was no ecu-imposed speed limiting, just running out of revs.

Has it changed on the Euro4 models?

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Re: Mapping the California 1400 is ready now
« Reply #23 on: November 15, 2018, 04:56:59 PM »
Would someone please remind me what the rev limit is?



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Re: Mapping the California 1400 is ready now
« Reply #24 on: November 15, 2018, 07:07:09 PM »
Would someone please remind me what the rev limit is?

7000 rpm

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Re: Mapping the California 1400 is ready now
« Reply #25 on: November 15, 2018, 07:40:46 PM »
7000? Surely not.

Really?


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Re: Mapping the California 1400 is ready now
« Reply #26 on: November 15, 2018, 10:36:54 PM »
7000? Surely not.

Really?

I thought it was 6,500 rpm.
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Re: Mapping the California 1400 is ready now
« Reply #27 on: November 16, 2018, 01:25:19 AM »
I thought it was 6,500 rpm.

Can't be.  I've seen much higher than that.  i gotta do a test tomorrow.

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Re: Mapping the California 1400 is ready now
« Reply #28 on: November 16, 2018, 05:07:14 AM »
It's geared to go 20mph for every 1,000rpm in 6th.  It's 80mph at 4,000, runs almost exactly 100mph at 5,000rpm and 120mph at 6,000rpm.  Redline is 7,000rpm.  If it would pull it...the bike would top out at 140mph. 

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Re: Mapping the California 1400 is ready now
« Reply #29 on: November 16, 2018, 07:41:01 AM »
It's geared to go 20mph for every 1,000rpm in 6th.  It's 80mph at 4,000, runs almost exactly 100mph at 5,000rpm and 120mph at 6,000rpm.  Redline is 7,000rpm.  If it would pull it...the bike would top out at 140mph.
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