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Re: Daytona RS on E-bay
« Reply #1 on: March 18, 2018, 04:37:02 PM »
In Arizona. Too far away for me - anyway the wife would threaten divorce.
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Re: Daytona RS on E-bay
« Reply #2 on: March 18, 2018, 05:26:25 PM »
damn, that's pretty!
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Re: Daytona RS on E-bay
« Reply #3 on: March 18, 2018, 05:29:12 PM »
IF it's real, it deserves a good home!  Paging MedicAndy.... :cool:
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Re: Daytona RS on E-bay
« Reply #4 on: March 18, 2018, 07:52:59 PM »
IF it's real, it deserves a good home!  Paging MedicAndy.... :cool:

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I send the guy a message, and the reserve is $10k, which would be a good price, if the bike would sell for that. However, money can increase fast if the oil pump or belts have not been changed yet. I didn't know about possible oil pump issues or belts possibly needing to be replaced when I asked the seller about the reserve price. I know dangerously little about Daytonas, so I could see spending very easily an additional $3k to $5k, or possibly a little more to get a Daytona without knowing its history setup right.

But yes, I could see one of those bikes sitting in the barn amongst the 1100's!

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Re: Daytona RS on E-bay
« Reply #5 on: March 19, 2018, 12:00:20 AM »
I have the same bike. My oil light started getting a little flicker at 18,000 miles at idle. Replaced the pump ( with a factory item)for piece of mind/ no more worries.

Belts need changed at 18,000 miles. Otherwise they are pretty solid.
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Re: Daytona RS on E-bay
« Reply #6 on: March 19, 2018, 05:05:29 AM »
Some PhD candidate must have done a dissertation on the relationship between perceived rarity of a valued object, condition of the object, and realized price.  Since visual arts like paintings and sculpture are one-offs, they aren't like bikes.  Vehicles seem more like rare coins - and for those, condition and rarity of a desired object matter a LOT.  If you're going to try and corner a market on Guzzis, consider the Daytona RS.
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Re: Daytona RS on E-bay
« Reply #7 on: March 19, 2018, 06:20:57 AM »
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I send the guy a message, and the reserve is $10k, which would be a good price, if the bike would sell for that. However, money can increase fast if the oil pump or belts have not been changed yet. I didn't know about possible oil pump issues or belts possibly needing to be replaced when I asked the seller about the reserve price. I know dangerously little about Daytonas, so I could see spending very easily an additional $3k to $5k, or possibly a little more to get a Daytona without knowing its history setup right.

But yes, I could see one of those bikes sitting in the barn amongst the 1100's!

He did say the belts were fresh Andy. Bike has around 8k miles, so IF it was me I'd be looking at replacing the pump & gears per Joe Caruso's mod.

I don't know if you are following my prolonged, drawn out, amateurish thread on doing that. These bikes are pretty rare and I would hate to see it go bang, I'm installing a gauge too for peace of mind. When it's all done my plan is to produce a more succinct logical procedure, an idiot's guide if you will (by that I mean written by an idiot). If I'd had a guide I'd have done this in 1/2 the time, as there are things you need to do and things you don't need to do that were not immediately obvious to me and I've had to learn the hard way

I suppose you could just install a gauge initially and keep and eye on the pressure, if you did not want to splash the cash

The other thing I'm doing straight away is a Roper plate, but you know all about that, later the cam followers will get replaced.

It's got a Creedon chip, so all that leaves is possible dodgy guides I've heard of. My plan is not to do anything there right now but monitor valve clearance.

Then we get the gearbox but with a fleet of Sports you know all about the possible weaknesses.

I think it's one of the last of Guzzi's great bikes as an independent company, it's rare, it will only appreciate in value and from the pictures it looks like it's been cared for.

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Re: Daytona RS on E-bay
« Reply #8 on: March 19, 2018, 07:02:03 AM »
Low miles, fresh belts, Creedon chip for 10K? An RS? You want one and you are not buying it?? <scratching head>
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Re: Daytona RS on E-bay
« Reply #9 on: March 19, 2018, 08:19:26 AM »
"When it's all done my plan is to produce a more succinct logical procedure, an idiot's guide if you will (by that I mean written by an idiot)." As a total amateur mechanic, I can hardly wait for this guide. My RS has low miles, but eventually it has to be done.

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Re: Daytona RS on E-bay
« Reply #10 on: March 19, 2018, 12:54:59 PM »
Can that RS serial number be tracked?  I think that bike has had several owners over the past many years. The 1st one may have been Deryl Merhten, Sierra Vista, AZ.
Knowing the costly results of a likely inevitable oil pump/ timing gear crash (@ 20K miles or so), plus the age and environment (hot/dry),that bike has lived in, plus low miles are all negatives in my view.
Except for its' 1st 3 years in International Falls, MN my '93 Daytona has been in New England.  It showed some quite frayed edges @ 17K. Closer inspection showed badly eroded timing gears. The oil pump bearing surfaces were fine and w/in tolerance.  R3~ 

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Re: Daytona RS on E-bay
« Reply #11 on: March 19, 2018, 01:03:42 PM »
Nice bike !!  :drool:


to solve the oil pump issue ... switching to chain and that's it.

and is amazing how everyone are just trying to find excuses not to buy a motorcycle like that ...

they do not make them anymore and a RS does not come up for sale often.

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Re: Daytona RS on E-bay
« Reply #12 on: March 19, 2018, 02:00:44 PM »
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Knowing the costly results of a likely inevitable oil pump/ timing gear crash (@ 20K miles or so),

Sorry, gotta disagree with that. My bone stock Centauro was still fine at 42K miles, so I wouldn't say it is inevitable.
I, personally, wouldn't be afraid of that Daytona if I wanted one and was willing to do the work necessary to maintain it.
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Re: Daytona RS on E-bay
« Reply #13 on: March 19, 2018, 03:15:15 PM »
Agree with Chuck

If I was in the market for one I'd be all over that, if I was on the other side of the pond. Don't understand why low miles and a dry environment is something to be regarded as a negative.

I had some conversations with Joe who has collated a lot of data on the pump failures. He doesn't need to sell anything and is incredibly helpful for no other reason than loving the bikes.

He told me that from what he's heard there is unfotunately no correlation to mileage and pump failure some low destruct, some high still going strong. I guess to many other variables to consider.

Just what I know (and that's pretty near next to nout)

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Re: Daytona RS on E-bay
« Reply #14 on: March 19, 2018, 03:41:49 PM »
Tucson AZ is the best place anywhere to buy a used motorcycle.   It is very common for bikes there to have never been wet, and the air is so dry that corrosion may be non-existent after decades since new.  I've bought two remarkably well preserved motorcycles from that area.

Check the 'pork chop' bolts on this Daytona, still black.  In somewhere like the UK or Germany, those turned red with rust in less than a year.  Beautiful RS.  Whoever buys it, take care of it!
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Re: Daytona RS on E-bay
« Reply #15 on: March 19, 2018, 04:08:27 PM »
Low miles, fresh belts, Creedon chip for 10K? An RS? You want one and you are not buying it?? <scratching head>


Hey Guys........ I am so sorry about making the statement about this RS Daytona having a $10k reserve..... I wrote to the RS owner yesterday, and he told me that he would rather not tell just one person on what the reserve price is, so I'm pretty sure that it is around $11k.  I also talked to the other eBay 4560 mile 1993 Daytona owner yesterday, and his reserve is at $10k. I got the two bikes mixed up. Again, I am so sorry for the mixup......










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Re: Daytona RS on E-bay
« Reply #16 on: March 19, 2018, 04:15:07 PM »
...and then, after buying this beauty, you can wear the T-shirt also!! :cool: :thumb: :1:



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Re: Daytona RS on E-bay
« Reply #17 on: March 19, 2018, 04:24:08 PM »



So at some point MG dropped the Daytonas mono-posto seat and white wheels for the Sport bi-posto and dark wheels. Ducati did a similar job updating the 851.
 


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Re: Daytona RS on E-bay
« Reply #18 on: March 19, 2018, 08:43:04 PM »

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Sorry, gotta disagree with that. My bone stock Centauro was still fine at 42K miles, so I wouldn't say it is inevitable.
I, personally, wouldn't be afraid of that Daytona if I wanted one and was willing to do the work necessary to maintain it.

 :1: My gears looked like brand new at 18,000 miles. The pump had the tiniest bit of play. It wasn't noticeable to me, but my guy who does the work for me pointed out the difference between the two stock pumps. kept the old one to possibly get it sleeved.

I think these bikes bottomed out already and will just go up. Either way, it's a lot more bike than a 1000S.
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Re: Daytona RS on E-bay
« Reply #19 on: March 19, 2018, 11:58:42 PM »
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Re: Daytona RS on E-bay
« Reply #20 on: March 20, 2018, 04:58:20 AM »

Hey Guys........ I am so sorry about making the statement about this RS Daytona having a $10k reserve..... I wrote to the RS owner yesterday, and he told me that he would rather not tell just one person on what the reserve price is, so I'm pretty sure that it is around $11k.  I also talked to the other eBay 4560 mile 1993 Daytona owner yesterday, and his reserve is at $10k. I got the two bikes mixed up. Again, I am so sorry for the mixup......









Andy I know I'm teaching my Granny here but there is a big difference between the stock early bike and the RS.

Now I could have this wrong so do your homework, I read or got told somewhere that the frame geometry at the head changed a smidgen, but looking at the service manuals though I can't see a difference.

Early Daytona forks were at best "not very good" personally I thought "very poor" one leg compression, one leg damping and the oil on one leg when changed was like new the other black.

Then there are the engine differences, I don't think in the US you got the "full Yak fat" C kit on the RS that we did in Europe so unsure.

I'd have my sights on the RS even if it was more dollars, unless there was something radical that would rule it out.

That said I still prefer the aesthetics of the earlier bikes

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Re: Daytona RS on E-bay
« Reply #21 on: March 20, 2018, 06:09:57 AM »
  Either way, it's a lot more bike than a 1000S.

Occasionally I will ride mine back to back and there is no comparison, but it is easier to ride the S all day long. Not so much on the RS.




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Re: Daytona RS on E-bay
« Reply #22 on: March 20, 2018, 11:12:56 AM »
 SOLD!
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« Reply #23 on: March 20, 2018, 03:17:20 PM »
Anyone on here buy it? Very nice bike, agree with Old Jock about the aesthetics of the early bikes though.
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« Reply #24 on: March 20, 2018, 04:01:18 PM »
Addenda? The mc mechanic who added the 'Caruso upgrade' to my 93 Daytona has 3 Centauro's. He changes timing gears each time he changes belts. 'It's worth doing with the engine already opened'. I saw and examined his stack of aluminum gears, from his Centauro's. Every one showed fairly extensive corrosion on the gear teeth. I know I'm risk averse to being caught out
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Re: Daytona RS on E-bay
« Reply #25 on: March 21, 2018, 05:02:04 AM »
Addenda? The mc mechanic who added the 'Caruso upgrade' to my 93 Daytona has 3 Centauro's. He changes timing gears each time he changes belts. 'It's worth doing with the engine already opened'. I saw and examined his stack of aluminum gears, from his Centauro's. Every one showed fairly extensive corrosion on the gear teeth.

Are you saying he just changes the gears out for a set of Joe's gears OR that at every belt service he changes the stock Al gears for another set?

If it's the latter then WOW!! I'm replacing both pump and gears, the gears are a steel set supplied by Joe, although I could see no discernible wear on my stock Alloy set when removed at 4.5k miles, I have an inherent distrust of alloy gearsets.

It was no surprise to me that this bike went on the "Buy Now" option, providing it was in good condition, it's a good price IMHO. On here a large number seem to be unrealistic on pricing wanting rare models at least 1-2k USD, under what the normal market commands, that's fine and understandable if it's a cooking bike made in the 1000s, you can wait and another will be along.

If it's rare it's going to be more expensive and whatever the model another won't be in classifieds tomorrow loose it and you'll be very likely in for a loooooong wait. I wanted an Australia for at least 15 years (probably more) but didn't want to pay the price these motorcycles command. Eventually when another did surface reasonably recently I probably paid a little over the odds, because I did not want to be too old to ride one and regret not biting the bullet.

Oh and if I had been realistic all these years ago I would have had a lot more fun getting out on it and paid a lot less, but maybe it's just me. 
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Re: Daytona RS on E-bay
« Reply #26 on: March 21, 2018, 01:22:25 PM »
O' J, others?
He changes the gears for another set of originals! He did not know of Joe Caruso 'til I asked if he would do the work. He was thrilled seeing the quality of the 'Caruso' gears and pump. Of course it's a choke, pondering his 3 Centauro's.

Someone mentioned adding an oil pressure gauge. A close friend described his Centauros' (27K iirc), pump failure as 2 blinks of his oil light and bang, - - in moderate traffic. The front crank journal and one big end were ruined. He found a low mile Centauro engine, put the conversion in that. His mechanic took his original engine and rebuilt it.  R3~ 

My apologies: I should have used the term erosion rather than corrosion in this case. As in extensive pitting in the leading and trailing faces of the aluminum gears. I'll offer ONE beer to anyone who reminds me of this failure to communicate. No time limit.
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Re: Daytona RS on E-bay
« Reply #27 on: March 21, 2018, 01:54:03 PM »
Hi R3

I don't understand your comment about "others?"

I mentioned adding a gauge, if you couldn't afford Joe's mod kit, the parts are not cheap, but IMHO well worth the money.

Of course a gauge is not a fail safe, but it just might just give a warning, but as you tell it may not and just go "BANG!!" Thinking about it the no warning is probably the most likely scenario as the pump gears will most likely seize, so one minute all is well then,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,OUCH!!

I've got 3 Guzzis, only one Hi Cam but all of my bikes have Joe's gears (and oil pressure gauges). I correspond pretty frequently with Joe, he's a great guy, very knowledgeable and helpful.

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Re: Daytona RS on E-bay
« Reply #28 on: March 21, 2018, 02:01:03 PM »
There is a nice Daytona RS for sale here in Illinois by one of the club members and some of you know him ,,,, Larry Cecil ,,,,,,,,, so if you need his contact info if you don't already have it PM me.

Larry's bike is as nice or nicer than the ebay bike
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Re: Daytona RS on E-bay
« Reply #29 on: March 21, 2018, 02:36:23 PM »
Larry's is NOT an RS it's a 93 and listed here
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