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(NGC) Anyone have a Suzuki DL (650, 1000), or have an opinion?
« on: September 14, 2018, 01:32:19 PM »
Just saw one in the parking lot and gave it a good look-over, The Web seems to like it a lot, prices locally seem all over the map on similar-year models.

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Re: (NGC) Anyone have a Suzuki DR (650, 1000), or have an opinion?
« Reply #1 on: September 14, 2018, 01:34:26 PM »
The DR650 (and the pre-2007 KLR650) have been on my radar for a long time, just been biding my time and waiting for the right one at the right price to come by. Always wanted one, don't care which... the big displacement thumper itch grows with every passing year.



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Re: (NGC) Anyone have a Suzuki DR (650, 1000), or have an opinion?
« Reply #2 on: September 14, 2018, 01:55:41 PM »
Im assuming you meant DL since you asked about the 650 and the 1000.  They V-Strom is among the very best all road travel bikes ever made.  Absolutely bullet proof with an enormous after market.  Theyre more of a beginning platform for personalization than a finished product but theyre so inexpensive that it doesnt matter.


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Re: (NGC) Anyone have a Suzuki DR (650, 1000), or have an opinion?
« Reply #3 on: September 14, 2018, 01:57:59 PM »
I�m assuming you meant DL since you asked about the 650 and the 1000.  They V-Strom is among the very best all road travel bikes ever made.  Absolutely bullet proof with an enormous after market.  They�re more of a beginning platform for personalization than a finished product but they�re so inexpensive that it doesn�t matter.

Hah. I was wondering what the "1000" was about. Duh. Thought there was something I was missing out on.  :boozing:
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Re: (NGC) Anyone have a Suzuki DR (650, 1000), or have an opinion?
« Reply #4 on: September 14, 2018, 02:31:57 PM »
I just sold a 2013 DL650 very clean new tires and 19,000 miles. I was happy to get it.

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Re: (NGC) Anyone have a Suzuki DR (650, 1000), or have an opinion?
« Reply #5 on: September 14, 2018, 03:00:33 PM »
I just sold a 2013 DL650 very clean new tires and 19,000 miles. I was happy to get it.

Fixed my "DR" gaff. I DID mean the DL.

By "happy to get it" in the same sentence as "sold", do you mean you were happy to get whatever price you got when it sold, or happy to originally buy it????

I looked again at the one in my parking lot, looks like it would be VERY easy to adapt the bicycle carrier that I now have on my Cal 2 to mount to it. I'll file it away as a future pursuit like Toecutter.

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Re: (NGC) Anyone have a Suzuki DL (650, 1000), or have an opinion?
« Reply #6 on: September 14, 2018, 03:10:43 PM »
They are good bikes but on the lower end of the cost spectrum so dont expect great brakes or suspension.

The 650s routinely with minimal maintenance are easily 100,000+ engines the 1000 willl go 100s of thousands of miles.

They are very reliable and like Guzzi hold value like water in a strainer. Buy used,buy low.

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Re: (NGC) Anyone have a Suzuki DL (650, 1000), or have an opinion?
« Reply #7 on: September 14, 2018, 03:19:32 PM »
all above is true. I owned a 2000 SV 650, 2003 SV 1000, 2005 DL 650. all great but very boring products. It has amazed me how a MFG. can depersonalise a V twin so effectively! And in the case of the 1000 decrease it's horsepower every time they change it. They are the Honda Civic and accord of the motorcycle industry.
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Re: (NGC) Anyone have a Suzuki DL (650, 1000), or have an opinion?
« Reply #8 on: September 14, 2018, 03:37:06 PM »
If i was buying I'd get a later model DL650 with ABS
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Re: (NGC) Anyone have a Suzuki DL (650, 1000), or have an opinion?
« Reply #9 on: September 14, 2018, 03:40:40 PM »
all above is true. I owned a 2000 SV 650, 2003 SV 1000, 2005 DL 650. all great but very boring products. It has amazed me how a MFG. can depersonalise a V twin so effectively! And in the case of the 1000 decrease it's horsepower every time they change it. They are the Honda Civic and accord of the motorcycle industry.

As you mention, the 1000 engine is incredibly un-stressed.  It was originally designed to wipe the floor with Ducati 916's in Superbike racing and did so for years.  It's true that the TL was slightly detuned from the racebike and then the SV1000 was further detuned and the V-Strom was even more but that's the very reason there's one rolling around with over 500,000 miles on it and the engine has never been touched except for scheduled clutch changes.  I put nearly 30k on one and it never needed the valves adjusted despite me flogging it as hard as any bike I've ever owned.  It spent hundreds of hours at speeds that would get you cuffed and stuffed if caught.  They will easily go 50-60k miles between valve adjustments after they're broken in.  They have 95hp and 70ft/lbs so while they're not a KTM 1290...they also cost about 3% as much to keep running and they're still a decent performer. 

The 650 is a lot more popular.  I think that's because it's a lot less to buy, gets great mileage and it's 50lbs lighter.  The 650 is like a KLR for people who wouldn't put a milkcrate on their bike and want to be faster than a UPS truck. 

Either Strom can be found for $3500, decked out with mods that make the bike better and luggage.  You could do a lot worse for that kind of money if you wanted to travel around the country and ride some gravel roads while you're at it.       

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Re: (NGC) Anyone have a Suzuki DL (650, 1000), or have an opinion?
« Reply #10 on: September 14, 2018, 03:52:32 PM »
If i was buying I'd get a later model DL650 with ABS

I would not let the ABS on the later moder DL650 be a driving factor. The brakes on the all DL650 are so underwhelming at best. With ABS all you have is underwhealming ABS brakes.

I will say the SV650 motor is a fun little thing. Lock it in 3rd gear while riding tail of the Dragon type roads and ride the rev range 3,000 to 8,000 RPM's. The little 650 likes to rev. 


After market stuff goodies are plentiful and inexpensive for all but the lastest variants.


As a final note the 1000's do sound amazingly good with a set of Leo Vince cans. Not Ducati good but Honda VTR with open exahust good.

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Re: (NGC) Anyone have a Suzuki DL (650, 1000), or have an opinion?
« Reply #11 on: September 14, 2018, 05:07:35 PM »
I had an 05 Wee Strom. I don't get the "boring" adjective as applied to the 650 strom. Mine was a happy puppy dog of a motorcycle. It was ready for anything. I took off one day and was gone for 30 days and went all across the U.S. from Florida to Washington state and back on all kinds of roads from curvy mountain one-laners to hundreds of miles of dirt roads to running state hiways at 90 plus for hours and hours at a time. Sand, mud, pavement, commuting, interstate it does it all and is happy and keeps coming back for more.
 Mine had a C-Bailey's tall wind-screen and hand guards and the wind flow and protection was xclnt. I put a one tooth larger front sprocket on it and with big aluminum panniers, top box, skid plate, crash bars and tall windscreen I could count on 53 mpg for overall riding. MPG would go as high as 60mpg when cruising on a back hiway at 55 to 60 mph.
 It was fairly nimble in town, handled good, topped out at 122mph on the gps and was about the best bike that I have ever owned. Maint for the several years that I owned it were just the usual- tires, oil, filters brakes, I did one valve adjust myself and I did put on new sprockets and chain after the cross U.S.A. trip.
 I was bored one night and took off and rode 400 miles at night in the rain. Great headlights. Brakes and suspension worked fine for me.
 The only reason that I sold it is that I have parkinsons and although my legs are long for a guy my height the bike was getting a bit tall for me as I was getting a bit unsteady.
 Nowdays a first gen 650 Strom that is nicely equipped and cared for can be had for less than three grand.  Buy and ride with confidence, just don't expect to make your money back. And don't expect anyone else, other than a Strom owner, to understand why you like the bike. I will agree that the bike does not appeal to a lot of riders.

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Re: (NGC) Anyone have a Suzuki DL (650, 1000), or have an opinion?
« Reply #12 on: September 14, 2018, 05:18:08 PM »
I had an 05 Wee Strom. I don't get the "boring" adjective as applied to the 650 strom. Mine was a happy puppy dog of a motorcycle. It was ready for anything. I took off one day and was gone for 30 days and went all across the U.S. from Florida to Washington state and back on all kinds of roads from curvy mountain one-laners to hundreds of miles of dirt roads to running state hiways at 90 plus for hours and hours at a time. Sand, mud, pavement, commuting, interstate it does it all and is happy and keeps coming back for more.
 Mine had a C-Bailey's tall wind-screen and hand guards and the wind flow and protection was xclnt. I put a one tooth larger front sprocket on it and with big aluminum panniers, top box, skid plate, crash bars and tall windscreen I could count on 53 mpg for overall riding. MPG would go as high as 60mpg when cruising on a back hiway at 55 to 60 mph.
 It was fairly nimble in town, handled good, topped out at 122mph on the gps and was about the best bike that I have ever owned. Maint for the several years that I owned it were just the usual- tires, oil, filters brakes, I did one valve adjust myself and I did put on new sprockets and chain after the cross U.S.A. trip.
 I was bored one night and took off and rode 400 miles at night in the rain. Great headlights. Brakes and suspension worked fine for me.
 The only reason that I sold it is that I have parkinsons and although my legs are long for a guy my height the bike was getting a bit tall for me as I was getting a bit unsteady.
 Nowdays a first gen 650 Strom that is nicely equipped and cared for can be had for less than three grand.  Buy and ride with confidence, just don't expect to make your money back. And don't expect anyone else, other than a Strom owner, to understand why you like the bike. I will agree that the bike does not appeal to a lot of riders.


+1 on the headlights. The Stroms out of the box headlights are excellent compared to most competition 

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Re: (NGC) Anyone have a Suzuki DL (650, 1000), or have an opinion?
« Reply #13 on: September 14, 2018, 05:24:16 PM »
Again all true butt ride a V7III with pipes and all else pales in comparison.
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Re: (NGC) Anyone have a Suzuki DL (650, 1000), or have an opinion?
« Reply #14 on: September 14, 2018, 05:52:41 PM »
I recently bought a new 2017 DL 650.  From reviews and internet blabbing I was expecting it to be a bit dull and boring.  But surprise surprise, I think the bike is awesome!

I think people's opinions of them depends on what they just stepped off of ... if you just got off a bike with Brembo mono bloc front brakes, sure the DL 650 brakes aren't as strong ... if you just got off a Ducati Panigale, sure the power of the DL 650 pales in comparison.

I keep this bike in Virginia, don't plan to go off road with it, mostly day rides or 2-3 day rides, twisty Appalachian back roads of VA.  Recently did a 2 day trip on the Blue Ridge Parkway and surrounding roads, in this environment the little V-Strom is awesome.  I'm thrilled with the power, suspension, brakes, handling, shifting.  And it has a very large tank and gets great gas mileage.  And everything seems perfectly designed to work together.  The suspension settings and brakes and perfectly matched to the power characteristics.  If it had say 50 hp more, then I might be complaining about the brakes ... or that the rear tire is too narrow, etc. 

Now if you tried to ride it like a Multistrada, then ok, maybe you'd not like the power or brakes.  If you tried to knock out big miles on it on Interstate like a Honda ST-1300, then sure, it ain't in that same league.

I also own a Moto Guzzi V7 iii Racer.  Wow, how to compare them.  They are both tons of fun to ride, I really enjoy them both.  From any numerical angle, the V-Strom probably "wins".  The suspension is better, brakes are better, it is faster, easier to ride long distances.  But the Guzzi is really fun to ride.  But the V-Strom is really fun to ride too. 

In 2017 they received a number of updates ... I have not ridden any other DL 650 so now sure how the previous generation bikes are but the 2017 gets two thumbs up from me!   :thumb: :thumb:
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Re: (NGC) Anyone have a Suzuki DL (650, 1000), or have an opinion?
« Reply #15 on: September 14, 2018, 09:41:19 PM »
You guys sure don't disappoint with your knowledge of just about any bike, I appreciate the great descriptions.

It DOES sound like the kind of bike I want to try. I was leaning immediately toward the 1000, but the 650 sounds ultimately just as satisfying, and lighter to boot.

Keeping my eyes open now.
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Re: (NGC) Anyone have a Suzuki DL (650, 1000), or have an opinion?
« Reply #16 on: September 15, 2018, 04:58:40 AM »
.....It DOES sound like the kind of bike I want to try. I was leaning immediately toward the 1000, but the 650 sounds ultimately just as satisfying, and lighter to boot....

I had a 2009 650 Strom w/ ABS set up for long distance touring -- aluminum rear cases, top box, rebuilt suspension both ends, larger front sprocket, etc.  It had plenty of power for touring even in the Colorado mountains.  I rode it for three years and only sold it because I wanted to try the upgraded 2012 Stelvio. 
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Re: (NGC) Anyone have a Suzuki DR (650, 1000), or have an opinion?
« Reply #17 on: September 15, 2018, 06:17:21 AM »
The DR650 (and the pre-2007 KLR650) have been on my radar for a long time, just been biding my time and waiting for the right one at the right price to come by. Always wanted one, don't care which... the big displacement thumper itch grows with every passing year.

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Re: (NGC) Anyone have a Suzuki DL (650, 1000), or have an opinion?
« Reply #18 on: September 15, 2018, 06:17:48 AM »
I rode a 650 and 1000 back to back when they first came out at Bike Week. Around town the performance is almost identical. The lighter weight of the 650 is a plus making it noticeably more nimble.
It sounds like they have made many improvements over the years. There are ton of of videos on youtube of the DLs. Worth checking out.

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Re: (NGC) Anyone have a Suzuki DL (650, 1000), or have an opinion?
« Reply #19 on: September 15, 2018, 06:22:39 AM »
OK, here's my opinion...

I've got a 2012 DL650A Vstrom (Adventure),  bought new, has a little over 32K on it now.  I rode it from Cleveland, Ohio to the BMW National in Salt Lake City last year with my Bowel Movement W riding friends last year.  The Wee Strom had absolutely no problem keeping up with 1200GS, consumed no oil on the 5500 mile trip of its' 2 qt. capacity, averaged mpg in the low 50's, did several "trails" (Shafer, Lands End, etc.) in Moab 108 degree heat, didn't miss a beat and is also a great urban commuter.  Unfortunately, since I've had this bike, the other half dozen steeds have been neglected.  If I could only keep one of my collection, the small Strom would make for a difficult decision.

Last year, in Salt Lake City, a dealer had a new old stock 2015 DL650A for $7995. These bikes are out there for minimal expense.

I had read in this thread about the lack luster brakes, I'm still on my original pads.  While the brakes seem adequate for me, I'm glad the Strom came with abs...it's not hard to get the abs to trigger, the rear wheel unloads easily under moderate to hard braking but 99.9% of the time I'm able to steer clear of situations that require assistance to stop. 

So, all in all I like the Strom but after years of having shaft drive bikes (mostly Goldwings), the drive chain can be a bit of a pain in the ass if you're on a cross country trip because it needs to be lubed every 500 miles and more often if you're doing dirt/gravel.

For me, the stock seat is OK for an hour or two, a Corbin worked out better but required bar risers since it moved me back from the bars.  The bar risers turned out to be a good thing because it enabled me stand straight up on the pegs too.

I suppose I could go on and on with attributes and deficiencies blah, blah, blah but I won't.

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Re: (NGC) Anyone have a Suzuki DL (650, 1000), or have an opinion?
« Reply #20 on: September 15, 2018, 06:30:58 AM »
I mispoke.  Kith only had 426,000 miles on the bike but that was as of January of 2017 so there's probably more on it now.  The full write up on what he did for maintenance is here(if linking to another site isn't cool I apologize in advance.  I'm assuming an educational posting is ok?):

https://www.stromtrooper.com/dl1000-2002-2012/318818-400-000-mile-k3-dl1000-v-strom.html

He hasn't bothered to check the valves in the last 125,000 miles.  He changes the oil every 7,000 miles.  53 rear tires, 19 chains, 64 gallons of oil, 22 sets of brake pads.....everything is documented.  Suzuki has featured the bike in their in house magazine and it's been in their tent at Daytona a couple times.  They've also changed his speedometer twice for free.  The Strom odometer only goes to 199,999.  It uses .4 quarts of oil between the 7,000 mile oil changes. 

The sum total of issues other than consumables?  From Kith, "Reliability-wise only 3 things have broken: 2 front brake switches (one at 100K, one at 397K), 1 impeller (at 329K) and 1 stator (at 172K). The front brake switch is a $20 item, the plastic impeller came off its metal shaft and the burnt stator was replaced with one from Electrosport.
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Re: (NGC) Anyone have a Suzuki DL (650, 1000), or have an opinion?
« Reply #21 on: September 15, 2018, 07:01:42 AM »
Again all true butt ride a V7III with pipes and all else pales in comparison.
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Having had a modern V7 with "pipes" I can say w/o a doubt my Eldo, 5 BB Tonti's, Quota and V50 all had more "character" than the V7 or even the Griso. The modern fuel injected stuff is kind of a digital verses analog thing. Digital is more defined and crisp whereas analog is warm and has feeling.

All the Guzzi's pale in comparison to a 2 valve air cooled carbed Ducati with a dry clutch and "pipes". Just sayin'!

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Re: (NGC) Anyone have a Suzuki DL (650, 1000), or have an opinion?
« Reply #22 on: September 15, 2018, 07:48:08 AM »
Every bike made is a compromise.  What type of riding are you planning on doing?  Read articles and reviews and comparisons of similar minded bikes.  I had a 2nd generation Versys 650 for 30,000 miles and have put a couple hundred miles on a couple weestroms.  The Versys is more fun on twisty roads and the 2nd gen lofts the front wheel easily.
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Re: (NGC) Anyone have a Suzuki DL (650, 1000), or have an opinion?
« Reply #23 on: September 15, 2018, 11:42:30 AM »
Never owned a Strom , but a friend of mine does along with a Cali Vintage ..
His Strom is a 1000 and he has upgraded the suspension   Elka  and aftermarket something ? on the front forks  cant remember  :rolleyes:.
The difference from stock is incredible and he has turned the bike into something pretty special just by this change.
The engine has been bullet proof and at 160,000 km still  as strong as new .
Stroms are built to a price point and if you can justify spending the extra $1500 on suspension they become very worth wild as a motorcycle .
 
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Re: (NGC) Anyone have a Suzuki DL (650, 1000), or have an opinion?
« Reply #24 on: September 15, 2018, 01:48:42 PM »
I've owned two KLR's, a DL650, and a DR650 (among other things).  The KLR's I loved, a true do any-thing bike with a nice rack, big tank, and lots of leg room.  The DR I still have, sort of a lighter,
slightly more refined KLR, the DL I bought new & sold in under a year.  It's not a bad bike, in fact it's remarkably competent at most things & likely would never let you down.  It's just, well, dull.  The little DR has spirt (and one hell of a lot more ground clearance).  The DL looks the part, but it's street bike roots are not hard to spot, particularly if you ever bang that very exposed header on anything hard.
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Re: (NGC) Anyone have a Suzuki DL (650, 1000), or have an opinion?
« Reply #25 on: September 15, 2018, 03:35:32 PM »
I've ridden several SV/DL 650.  Great motorcycles.  I recommend to everyone as a first bike to buy because they will never outgrow it and has all the positive features mentioned.  The DL is the most all around practical IMO but the others are pretty sporty.
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Re: (NGC) Anyone have a Suzuki DL (650, 1000), or have an opinion?
« Reply #26 on: September 15, 2018, 04:34:04 PM »
 I looked at the a SV 650 a few years ago...Interesting machine but it appeared too densely packaged for easy owner servicing....I parked my 900 Monster next to a SV1000...the SV looked huge....My race bike rider has a SV1000, it's been stripped of most street equipment, has race slicks, he uses it for track days..
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Re: (NGC) Anyone have a Suzuki DL (650, 1000), or have an opinion?
« Reply #27 on: September 16, 2018, 11:28:51 AM »
I've had a DL 650 for 2 1/2 years, I've done 19,000 miles in that time. It's a great bike, good on fuel and cheap to run (guzzi content). Just done a 330 mile trip on it this weekend around the Lake District here in the UK. Apart from consumables like tyres, pads, chain etc, the only things to go wrong have been the front wheel speedo sensor and the throttle position sensor. As previously mentioned the front brakes are not up to much, especially compared to my Stelvio and the headlight circuit could do with relays to take the load off the connectors. It's my daily commuter so has to be reliable to get me back and forth to work.

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Re: (NGC) Anyone have a Suzuki DL (650, 1000), or have an opinion?
« Reply #28 on: September 16, 2018, 09:28:31 PM »
Had a 2005 or 06.  It was a 650.  It was kinda tall.  After the honeymoon wore off, I didn't much care for it.  The 650 was a great bike.  Just uninspiring I guess.  Sold it less than a year after buying it.

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Re: (NGC) Anyone have a Suzuki DL (650, 1000), or have an opinion?
« Reply #29 on: September 17, 2018, 07:31:16 AM »
I checked out a 2011 DL650 at the Sturbridge rally on Sunday, it had every conceivable electronic gadget attached to it I could think of. Kind of sano, actually, it had a stereo consisting of a small amplifier driving 2 speakers, with a mount and jack for a smartphone. Highway pegs.

I am still intrigued by them, but I'm beginning to notice the mass of plastic and shrouding forward/under where the traditional gas tank would be. Just LOOKS forward-heavy and massive, I suppose you wouldn't notice it while riding. No different than a Stelvio or any number of other modern "adventure" bikes.
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