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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: ohiorider on December 04, 2021, 08:35:16 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yg3jBQuwes8
Sweet!
Bob
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That looks like a fun little ride! :thumb:
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WOW! Way cool...and I want to know more! Obviously a new company from India...Will this be available in the USA?
Nice looking retro bike! :thumb: :bow: :cool: :boozing: :smiley: :smiley: :smiley: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
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:thumb: :bike-037: :drool:
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A NEW LIFE FOR BSA MOTORCYCLES?
The big news is the Indian tractor giant Mahindra purchased the BSA brand in October 2016 with big plans to start producing BSA motorcycles again in India. Mahindra has been producing small 2-stroke commuter bikes and scooters for years, so this is their play to move upmarket. They certainly have the money, the technical and production capacity and the market reach to make it work.
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This is good news. I wonder if they will make it to the USA market.
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A NEW LIFE FOR BSA MOTORCYCLES?
The big news is the Indian tractor giant Mahindra purchased the BSA brand in October 2016 with big plans to start producing BSA motorcycles again in India. Mahindra has been producing small 2-stroke commuter bikes and scooters for years, so this is their play to move upmarket. They certainly have the money, the technical and production capacity and the market reach to make it work.
Thanks, and keep us posted on this one! I hope it comes to the USA!! I think it would sell!! :cool: :boozing:
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Interesting that the retro Gold Star puts out 45 or so HP, where the retro Enfield single is only 29 or so. I’d be tempted by the Gold Star. Putting together a US dealership network, though, is a huge undertaking and I don’t see it happening. Remember Motus?
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BSA is being developed for export from India, while Jawa is being kept for the Indian market. They are nice too!
And when they bought BSA they also bought Pininfarina, the Italian engineering and design firm, who almost surely had a big hand in the new bikes. Smart move on Mahindra's part.
Scott
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Nice one!
And since we have a company here that imports both the Czech and the Indian Jawas, I have high hopes they will give us the BSA too.
I would certainly love to test ride it.
Cheers,
D.
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Interesting that the retro Gold Star puts out 45 or so HP, where the retro Enfield single is only 29 or so.
Maybe because the Goldstar is a DOHC 650 vs. a pushrod 500? There is no "retro Enfield single" in the current US line-up except the 350 Meteor.
https://www.indiatoday.in/auto/latest-auto-news/story/2022-bsa-gold-star-650-motorcycle-revealed-ahead-of-global-debut-1883880-2021-12-03
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looks nice....but the more I look, the more it seems like a caricature of the original with it's pudgy parts...
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looks nice....but the more I look, the more it seems like a caricature of the original with it's pudgy parts...
I think this new BSA is worthy of a closer look..."pudgy-parts" and all! :laugh: :grin: :wink: :thumb: :cool:
(https://i.ibb.co/mtwT4st/Screen-Shot-2021-12-04-at-9-56-27-AM.png) (https://ibb.co/mtwT4st)
Then again, one could just buy a MAHINDRA DI 255 Power Plus...and be done with it!! :laugh: :grin: :wink:
(https://i.ibb.co/bRnhFms/Screen-Shot-2021-12-04-at-9-58-18-AM.png) (https://ibb.co/bRnhFms)
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What a beauty! I hope it makes it here (U.S.) sooner rather than later. It will be interesting to read reports about it that are yet to be written.
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There is no "retro Enfield single" in the current US line-up except the 350 Meteor.
Charlie, I've checked with a couple of local RE dealers and they don't know (or can't say) whether the new RE 350 Classic will be brought to the U.S. That one, although, it is only a 350 strikes the right chords with me. I hope that we see it soon, but now I hope we see this new BSA soon too..."if wishes were fishes..."
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Wait a minute now....Is that a Moto Guzzi FARM TRACTOR?!? :rolleyes: :shocked:
....or are you just happy to have something to mow your lawn? :laugh: :grin: :wink: :thumb: :bow: :cool: :boozing:
(https://i.ibb.co/qCjJykd/Screen-Shot-2021-12-04-at-10-19-28-AM.png) (https://ibb.co/qCjJykd)
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This is the Enfield I was thinking of - 535cc, fuel injection, 29 or so HP.
(https://i.ibb.co/qF98Jhs/0-CE68889-0-D7-B-4528-9943-C0-ABA2812785.jpg) (https://ibb.co/qF98Jhs)
I thought the new Gold Star was 500cc like the original.
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This is the Enfield I was thinking of - 535cc, fuel injection, 29 or so HP.
(https://i.ibb.co/qF98Jhs/0-CE68889-0-D7-B-4528-9943-C0-ABA2812785.jpg) (https://ibb.co/qF98Jhs)
I thought the new Gold Star was 500cc like the original.
Watch the early part of the video again....The CEO says it's a 650cc single....and will compete against the Royal Enfield 650INT series...
(https://i.ibb.co/g7QHbK4/Screen-Shot-2021-12-04-at-10-31-24-AM.png) (https://ibb.co/g7QHbK4)
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I think this new BSA is worthy of a closer look..."pudgy-parts" and all! :laugh: :grin: :wink: :thumb: :cool:
My opinion is like what journalist Peter Egan said " never trust a bike you can't see through"
But since I don't own new or even late models, I can say whatever :wink: :grin:
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650 single? I hope it has a balancer and an electric starter.
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This is the Enfield I was thinking of - 535cc, fuel injection, 29 or so HP.
(https://i.ibb.co/qF98Jhs/0-CE68889-0-D7-B-4528-9943-C0-ABA2812785.jpg) (https://ibb.co/qF98Jhs)
I thought the new Gold Star was 500cc like the original.
The Continental GT was discontinued in the US a few years ago.
Perhaps Mahindra will sell the BSA through Roxor (built in the US by Mahindra Automotive North America) dealers, many of which are motorcycle dealers already. Not a huge network, but it's a start. https://roxoroffroad.com/locate-a-dealer
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(https://www.rushlane.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/bsa-gold-star-650cc-specs-official-launch-1.jpg)
(https://www.rushlane.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/bsa-gold-star-650cc-specs-official-launch-2.jpg)
I could not find any specs on bore and stroke. I wonder if it's undersquare like the Royal Enfields?
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My opinion is like what journalist Peter Egan said " never trust a bike you can't see through"
But since I don't own new or even late models, I can say whatever :wink: :grin:
Yes, I have read that and Jay Leno also "flaps" about that all the time as well... :wink:
5+ years and 13,000 trouble free miles on this 23-year old beast...and I can't see through it either! :laugh: :grin: :wink:
(https://i.ibb.co/k6fbX3k/DSC-0090.jpg) (https://ibb.co/k6fbX3k)
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650 single? I hope it has a balancer and an electric starter.
Of course it will have a balance and electric start........it has no kick start! One of my Royal Enfield buddies pointed out the lack of a kick start. While starting my RE 500 single with kick is easy, I am also 212 lbs. A 650CC single..........I don't think I want to kick that!
Scott
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Charlie, I've checked with a couple of local RE dealers and they don't know (or can't say) whether the new RE 350 Classic will be brought to the U.S. That one, although, it is only a 350 strikes the right chords with me. I hope that we see it soon, but now I hope we see this new BSA soon too..."if wishes were fishes..."
The RE forum I am on tells me the Classic 350 is coming to the USA. And if it is on the internet it must be true...............
Scott
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The RE forum I am on tells me the Classic 350 is coming to the USA. And if it is on the internet it must be true...............
Scott
The RE 350cc "Meteor" is already available now...
Very cute little bike for around town, but totally "ANEMIC" for the freeways...(IMHO)
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The RE 350cc "Meteor" is already available now...
Very cute little bike for around town, but totally "ANEMIC" for the freeways...(IMHO)
But the Classic is not. Not everyone has to ride the freeways/interstate to get somewhere (thank goodness).
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But the Classic is not. Not everyone has to ride the freeways/interstate to get somewhere (thank goodness).
Agree 100%...and you can analyze it all you want....but out here in the greater Southwest...one has to deal with the reality of states like NEVADA.... :laugh: :grin: :wink: :rolleyes: :shocked: :huh:
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650 single? I hope it has a balancer and an electric starter.
The Skorpion has an automatic compression release, counter balancer, and starter. I've done 400 mile days on it..
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At the risk of offending, I am not a huge fan of vintage BSAs, with the exception of the Gold Star. The new one puts me in mind of the old Lightning even though that was a twin. That just personal preference though. I do like the idea of a big bore street single, but having ridden the KTMs, I would rather get a Husky or KTM that just rips and carves.
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But the Classic is not. Not everyone has to ride the freeways/interstate to get somewhere (thank goodness).
Charlie, I know that you can't rely on a lot that you read on the internet, but I'm thinking (maybe more hoping) that the RE350 Classic is bound for the U.S. Here is an article that hopefully is accurate:
https://www.hotcars.com/everything-you-need-to-know-about-the-2022-royal-enfield-classic-350/
This article is from Sept '21, so maybe it was just wishful thinking. We'll have to see what really happens as we get into 2022.
And back to the OP - I think the new BSA is a beaut and hope it makes it here too. It would be nice to have a big 650 retro single before I have to hang up my helmet. Mahindra huh!
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looks nice....but the more I look, the more it seems like a caricature of the original with it's pudgy parts...
Are you talking about the Goldstar, or those of us reading this thread?
Either way, I agree with you! :wink:
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Same size engine as the DR 650, but the compression ratio is much higher than the DR. 11.5:1 vs. 9.5:1.
Should be a torque monster. but it is also 100 lbs heavier than the DR.
Lower seat height should make it feel lighter.
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Charlie, I know that you can't rely on a lot that you read on the internet, but I'm thinking (maybe more hoping) that the RE350 Classic is bound for the U.S. Here is an article that hopefully is accurate:
https://www.hotcars.com/everything-you-need-to-know-about-the-2022-royal-enfield-classic-350/
This article is from Sept '21, so maybe it was just wishful thinking. We'll have to see what really happens as we get into 2022.
And back to the OP - I think the new BSA is a beaut and hope it makes it here too. It would be nice to have a big 650 retro single before I have to hang up my helmet. Mahindra huh!
I'm betting the 350 Classic will be here in the US in 2022.
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Interesting that the retro Gold Star puts out 45 or so HP, where the retro Enfield single is only 29 or so. I’d be tempted by the Gold Star. Putting together a US dealership network, though, is a huge undertaking and I don’t see it happening. Remember Motus?
Good point on the dealership issue, although RE seems to have handled it. Re: Motus - wasn't the starting price on that north of $30K? That probably had a lot to do with their demise.
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QUOTE: Motus - wasn't the starting price on that north of $30K? That probably had a lot to do with their demise.
I always thought they were cool, but "YES" they were way too expensive for the average rider...
(https://i.ibb.co/48yCwqk/Screen-Shot-2021-12-05-at-9-18-51-AM.png) (https://ibb.co/48yCwqk)
(https://i.ibb.co/PmnPVTy/Screen-Shot-2021-12-05-at-9-18-29-AM.png) (https://ibb.co/PmnPVTy)
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I think this new BSA is worthy of a closer look..."pudgy-parts" and all! :laugh: :grin: :wink: :thumb: :cool:
(https://i.ibb.co/mtwT4st/Screen-Shot-2021-12-04-at-9-56-27-AM.png) (https://ibb.co/mtwT4st)
Then again, one could just buy a MAHINDRA DI 255 Power Plus...and be done with it!! :laugh: :grin: :wink:
(https://i.ibb.co/bRnhFms/Screen-Shot-2021-12-04-at-9-58-18-AM.png) (https://ibb.co/bRnhFms)
Wouldn't you rather have a Lamborghini?
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QUOTE: Motus - wasn't the starting price on that north of $30K? That probably had a lot to do with their demise.
I always thought they were cool, but "YES" they were way too expensive for the average rider...
(https://i.ibb.co/48yCwqk/Screen-Shot-2021-12-05-at-9-18-51-AM.png) (https://ibb.co/48yCwqk)
(https://i.ibb.co/PmnPVTy/Screen-Shot-2021-12-05-at-9-18-29-AM.png) (https://ibb.co/PmnPVTy)
I had a Motus dealer (multibrand HD, Ducati & BMW) less than 2 miles from my house and would have seriously considered buying one if it could be easily and cheaply made into a tourer - my wife would loudly protest the price if she couldn't comfortably ride on the back with me :thewife:
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I wish there was a new "version" of the Yamaha SRX
(https://i.ibb.co/G2xt8Zz/Yamaha-SRX600-Right-Side.jpg) (https://ibb.co/G2xt8Zz)
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I wish there was a new "version" of the Yamaha SRX
(https://i.ibb.co/G2xt8Zz/Yamaha-SRX600-Right-Side.jpg) (https://ibb.co/G2xt8Zz)
THAT was a cool bike...as was this one! :boozing: :thumb: :cool: :smiley:
(https://i.ibb.co/Wgr6BDY/Screen-Shot-2021-12-05-at-11-11-02-AM.png) (https://ibb.co/Wgr6BDY)
...and let's not forget about the legendary HONDA HAWK NT650!! :thumb: :boozing: :cool: :bow:
(https://i.ibb.co/gDWy5L6/Screen-Shot-2021-12-05-at-3-12-02-PM.png) (https://ibb.co/gDWy5L6)
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I liked it until I noticed it is water cooled! :grin:
Rick
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I like the BSA. Maybe the competition will force RE to up their game powerwise with their single cylinder engines. :thumb:
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The exhaust header appears too big, and there is something odd about the forks. Liquid cooling, seems out of place.
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I think this new BSA is worthy of a closer look..."pudgy-parts" and all! :laugh: :grin: :wink: :thumb: :cool:
(https://i.ibb.co/mtwT4st/Screen-Shot-2021-12-04-at-9-56-27-AM.png) (https://ibb.co/mtwT4st)
Then again, one could just buy a MAHINDRA DI 255 Power Plus...and be done with it!! :laugh: :grin: :wink:
I'm sure that radiator isn't anything like big enough for the job!!
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A walk around at a show in the UK. They get a lot of neat bikes that we don't get.
https://youtu.be/Ou5AgcXz4ok
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I had an SRX600 as my first bike after passing my test in 1996. Mine was a poor example, the previous owner having mullered it a bit. If I could get a good clean one, I would love it as a second bike. BTW the bike that replaced it with me was an SZR660.......quite interesting bikes in thier own right.....
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I had an SRX600 as my first bike after passing my test in 1996. Mine was a poor example, the previous owner having mullered it a bit. If I could get a good clean one, I would love it as a second bike. BTW the bike that replaced it with me was an SZR660.......quite interesting bikes in thier own right.....
Skeptical Scotty,
I have thought since 1986 that the combination of the square tube frame and the organic (porpoise?) curves of the SRX gas tank made it an instant unique looking classic. I think lack of electric start and relatively expense original price killed sales in the US.
The SZR660 is one of several bikes that were never available in the US that I have lusted after. The TRX850 was another. No doubt the SZR660 probably would not live up to my expectations, but I would still like to own one at least for a few months.
Practical Sportsbikes did an excellent article on a SZR660 that was heavily modified by one of their readers. The same reader previously modified an SRX600 for an earlier edition of Practical Sportsbikes.
If you want a pdf file of the article on the SZR660 send me a PM.
Single cylinder bikes definitely have a unique flavor that does not appeal to a lot of riders. Good for some of us, keeps prices lower.
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Liquid cooled. :sad:
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Remember, in 15 years more or less, there may be no more new fossil fuel burning engines...Manufactu res have to consider this with the current new bikes and some may be less likely to dump a lot of development cash into a dying horse...
On the other hand, the last of the fuel burners could be quite the show...
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Remember, in 15 years more or less, there may be no more new fossil fuel burning engines...Manufactu res have to consider this with the current new bikes and some may be less likely to dump a lot of development cash into a dying horse...
On the other hand, the last of the fuel burners could be quite the show...
That's partly true but it doesn't necessarily mean the end of combustion engines. F1 and others are already developing synthetic fuels that emit Zero emmisions. Expensive at the moment but economy of scale will see the price drop to affordable levels.
Toyota are investing billions in development of hydrogen hybrid vehicles, not electric. They are working hard to develop hydrogen fuel cells and will likely succeed.
Both fuels can be used in new and existing combustion engines with no emmisions. Give it time and we could still be buying bikes measured in BHP and not K/W/H.
And I love the look of the BSA and will be test riding one when available.
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THAT was a cool bike...as was this one! :boozing: :thumb: :cool: :smiley:
(https://i.ibb.co/Wgr6BDY/Screen-Shot-2021-12-05-at-11-11-02-AM.png) (https://ibb.co/Wgr6BDY)
...and let's not forget about the legendary HONDA HAWK NT650!! :thumb: :boozing: :cool: :bow:
(https://i.ibb.co/gDWy5L6/Screen-Shot-2021-12-05-at-3-12-02-PM.png) (https://ibb.co/gDWy5L6)
I bought a 650NT last summer.. Prices for a nice one are still reasonable...Just buy what's available and save yourself the complication of a new bike... and if some needs repair, just fiix it...
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It's a 45hp 650 single, why liquid cooling?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yg3jBQuwes8
Sweet!
Bob
Radiator = No Sale.
And if you're going to put a bunch of modern stuff on a "classic" bike, start with the rear suspension.
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It's a 45hp 650 single, why liquid cooling?
Because they are planning higher performance versions and because emissions are getting harder to meet each year.
Scott
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If it didn’t need ALL of that radiator and had a pipe with just a bit more hint of curves, it wouldn’t be half bad.
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It's a 45hp 650 single, why liquid cooling?
It is easier to meet Euro 5 emissions with the more precise temperature control of liquid cooling. The motor gets to operating temp more quickly, and operates at
a more controlled temp once up to temp. The emissions systems are tuned for a narrow range of operating temp.
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So is the new Guzzi , and most new Hondas , and , well most all new designs .
TS
Ok. Well. Then I’ve got a big ☹️ to all of them. Don’t forget that antifreeze is a potent poison to dogs, cats, goats and other lovable animals. I don’t want to encourage poison-mobiles.
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Ok. Well. Then I’ve got a big ☹️ to all of them. Don’t forget that antifreeze is a potent poison to dogs, cats, goats and other lovable animals. I don’t want to encourage poison-mobiles.
So you have an air cooled car or truck? :wink:
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So you have an air cooled car or truck? :wink:
I don't mean this to be "piling on" but properly disposing of any used antifreeze would eliminate the danger to the environment and cuddly animals. For the record, I only have owned air-cooled bikes as well as a couple of old air-cooled VWs and, in principle, prefer air-cooled bikes. However, in my previous life as a daily bike commuter on congested roads I sometimes wished my bike was water-cooled. Nothing ticked me off more than getting stuck in a dead-stop traffic jam in 90+ degree weather 2-3 days after changing my oil, effectively halving (my inexpert estimate) the useful life of the new oil. It would happen to me at least every other oil change. :angry:
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As much as I lean toward air-cooled bikes, one simply can’t look past the difference that it helps with power. So fun to see thumpers putting out some power AND torque. Curious if the build quality will match the power hype. Overall this Goldstar certainly looks more polished than the 650 INT, IMO. Except that dang chubby exhaust. I’m sure a good aftermarket stainless steel pipe would look better.
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So you have an air cooled car or truck? :wink:
I’m sorta kidding. :grin: But I am opposed to poison-mobiles and don’t understand why folks hate dogs. :wink:
I don’t travel by truck or car. An honest air-cooled Guzzi gets me around 97% of the time. Otherwise it’s an air cooled Ducati. I do have a poison-cooled BMW F650 Funduro, but that was Dusty’s idea.
In all seriousness, I liked the idea of a reincarnated BSA Gold Star. The poison cooling and radiator really does kill it for me. Not my cup of tea, but I hope they do well. Looks like an honest, fun bike.
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The exhaust header appears too big, and there is something odd about the forks. Liquid cooling, seems out of place.
That may be a shield covering the length of the header..
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As much as I lean toward air-cooled bikes, one simply can’t look past the difference that it helps with power. So fun to see thumpers putting out some power AND torque. Curious if the build quality will match the power hype. Overall this Goldstar certainly looks more polished than the 650 INT, IMO. Except that dang chubby exhaust. I’m sure a good aftermarket stainless steel pipe would look better.
I imagine that riders who want top performance won't be buying a 650 single. They're selling nostalgia, not performance, as evidenced by the rear shocks.
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That may be a shield covering the length of the header..
yep. I wouldn't be surprised if it is a double or even a triple wall pipe to prevent discoloring.
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The engineers and designers at Mahindra and other car/cycle companies can identify with how supermodels feel.
Ya bust yer ass to overcome a million techincal/production challenges to get a product manufactured or to look great.... and someone in the peanut gallery says:
"the pipe is too big!"
"I don't like the radiator!"
"her ass is too big!"
"her tits are too small!"
:wink:
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I imagine that riders who want top performance won't be buying a 650 single. They're selling nostalgia, not performance, as evidenced by the rear shocks.
I didn’t say they would be looking for top performance. But this single is putting out comparable power to the 650 INT, W800, V7, so why wouldn’t it steal some of those buyers? An Enfield Bullet doesn’t hold a candle to the performance of midweight bikes, but this one is right in the mix.
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I didn’t say they would be looking for top performance. But this single is putting out comparable power to the 650 INT, W800, V7, so why wouldn’t it steal some of those buyers? An Enfield Bullet doesn’t hold a candle to the performance of midweight bikes, but this one is right in the mix.
I think you are correct. People that buy Enfields, W800 and current Moto Guzzi's aren't looking for top performance or they would be buying something else. On the other hand, I feel the need to defend my lovely Sophia.......The V7III has approx 14% more power and the new V7 nearly 30% more, than the claimed power of the new BSA...so not sure one would say that is comparable. I will test the BSA when it comes out and maybe buy one after 2 years of teething issues. Classic Legends had plenty of problems with the early Jawa bikes, enough so that the CEO of Mahindra stated publicly that he was sorry he got into the motorcycle business. Great way to turn off potential customers..........
Scott
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The V7III has approx 14% more power and the new V7 nearly 30% more, than the claimed power of the new BSA...so not sure one would say that is comparable.
Don’t forget that these horsepower claims come from brake hp, which is significantly more than rear wheel hp on shaft-driven bikes compared to chain or belt-drives. I’ve seen mentions as much of a 20% loss in older shaft-driven bikes, which may be an erroneous number, or simply too generic for so many different bike models produced throughout the years. The newer small block Guzzis appear to be more like a ~10% loss. Chain drive is definitely less than that.
Attached are dynos for the V7 II and III:
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V7 II (mine):
Engine Capacity: 750cc
Brake hp: 46 hp
Dyno’ed RWhp: 41.7 hp (~10% loss)
Torque: 39.8 lb-ft
Curb Weight (claimed): 454
V7 III:
Engine Capacity: 750cc
Brake hp: 52 hp
Dyno’ed RWhp: 48 hp (~9% loss)
Torque: 44.3 lb-ft
Curb Weight (claimed): 461-470 lb
New V7 850:
Engine Capacity: 850cc
Brake hp (claim): 65 hp
RWhp (my assumption): 58.5 RWhp (~10% loss)
Torque (claim): 54 lb-ft
Curb Weight (claimed): 480 lb
New BSA Gold Star:
Engine Capacity: 650cc
Brake hp (claim): 45 hp
RWhp (my assumption): 42.7 hp (~5% loss)
Torque (claim): 40.5 lb-ft
Curb Weight (claimed): 469.5 lb
Compared to MY V7, it’s definitely comparable. Would need dynos and recorded actual wet weights of all bikes to help truly figure it out. Regardless, they all still seem comparable to me… much more so than a classic air-cooled thumper.
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There are low-tox options . For a dirtbike that might get ridden in remote places air cooling is the dog's meow , for a street bike will there ever be a real issue . I'm holding out for an E bike anyway .
TS
The perfect dirt bike will be electric. Instant torque, no noise. <shrug>
FWIW, many years ago, I found this MZ in a pile. Cheap. (Guzzi content) :smiley: Uses the Yamaha 660 single. I put the coolant in it, closed the cap, and that is the last time I've even thought about cooling. Get stuck in LA traffic where you can't lane split? No problemo. The fans kick on as necessary..
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Excellent infor Dir_S! I had not seen these dyno curves nor did I know about the extra losses for shaft drive. And now I see why my bike gets to be so much fun at 4,000 rpm.
Scott
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That may be a shield covering the length of the header..
That is a shield. The exhaust pipe is routed under the bike thru probably a catalytic converter and then out again. The shield makes the exhaust look continuous and on to the muffler. The water cooled Triumph Bonnevilles do exactly the same thing with exhaust routed into and out of a cat converter at the front of the engine - the shield or shroud makes the exhaust pipe look like one continuous pipe. Interesting disguise...
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Thanks for confirmation.
Suspected it was. :thumb:
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The engineers and designers at Mahindra and other car/cycle companies can identify with how supermodels feel.
Ya bust yer ass to overcome a million techincal/production challenges to get a product manufactured or to look great.... and someone in the peanut gallery says:
"the pipe is too big!"
"I don't like the radiator!"
"her ass is too big!"
"her tits are too small!"
:wink:
Life's a bitch and then you die!
As far as I'm concerned:
The first two criticisms are valid
The last two aren't!
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An old BSA rider with some inside scoop from the manufacturers says there are some in India right now with 90 hp:
https://youtu.be/yzAqeSCLZrI (https://youtu.be/yzAqeSCLZrI)
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90 HP out of a single?
even with a more cc, that sounds pretty unlikely,
that would have been a winner in the SOS singles racing class.
outpowering exotica like the supermono or the woods rotaxes.
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90 HP out of a single?
even with a more cc, that sounds pretty unlikely,
that would have been a winner in the SOS singles racing class.
outpowering exotica like the supermono or the woods rotaxes.
I doubt it’s a single. Was assuming they maybe have another engine in development that they’re farting around with.
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I think so too.
At least rumour has it they will launch a twin soon.
Cheers,
D.
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Following up on the 90 hp bike that I mentioned was rumored. Looks like the company got a big grant from the UK to develop electric bikes, so perhaps that 90 hp bike is an electric one. No electric bikes = no financial aid to produce.
https://www.webbikeworld.com/bsa-is-back-weve-evolved-but-our-dna-remains-unaltered/ (https://www.webbikeworld.com/bsa-is-back-weve-evolved-but-our-dna-remains-unaltered/)
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Interesting article, particularly this section:
The large capacity single-cylinder is all but dead in the modern era, especially in markets with strict emission norms. However, with its 652cc capacity, a 4-valve, dual overhead camshaft (DOHC), liquid-cooled design and the drive chain on the right side, the Gold Star’s engine looked very similar to an engine we have experienced in India in the distant past – the one used on the BMW F650 Funduro from well over two decades ago. This engine was built by Austrian engineering firm Rotax, and the new BSA motor is also licensed from them.
Understandably, the BSA motor is a heavily reworked, modernised version with fuel-injection and Euro 5 compliance. The enormous task of meeting modern emissions and refinement standards was handled in conjunction with the highly respected Technical University of Graz, in Austria. TU Graz also handled the visual design of the engine, which is completely different from the base Rotax engine, and made to look as similar to the original Gold Star singles as possible.
https://www.autocarindia.com/bike-news/bsa-gold-star-engine-india-launch-details-revealed-422907
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By the way...speaking of way cool 500cc "cult-classic" Honda's...these were always a favorite of mine!
(https://i.ibb.co/Bng9r5h/Screen-Shot-2021-12-11-at-11-51-37-AM.png) (https://ibb.co/Bng9r5h)
give kids the world village (https://nonprofitlight.com/fl/kissimmee/give-kids-the-world-inc)
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Regarding dealer network for these emerging brands, I recently discovered that Bumpus Harley-Davidson in Memphis, TN is now a Royal Enfield dealer. To me, something like that could be a game changer. If I want a new MG, the closest dealer is five hours away. A new Triumph dealer is three hours away. Royal Enfield at 45 minutes changes the picture. I see it as a good opportunity for a HD dealer since the Sportster has been removed from that price point market. So, BSA won't sell without dealers, just like everyone else.
As a side, I don't see the big single BSA as direct competition to the RE twin, but more as filling the gap left when RE dropped the 500 single. I think they'll have different buyers in the retro market. Of course, the important thing will be price and availability.
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By the way...speaking of way cool 500cc "cult-classic" Honda's...these were always a favorite of mine!
(https://i.ibb.co/Bng9r5h/Screen-Shot-2021-12-11-at-11-51-37-AM.png) (https://ibb.co/Bng9r5h)
My friends Carol and Joe had a pair, I made luggage for them.
(https://i.ibb.co/SnvsZj7/GB500-case-mounts-done.jpg) (https://ibb.co/SnvsZj7)
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well im late to the party but BSA being brought back is pretty neat (like many Im a sucker for vintage marketing in motorcycles). I have talked to few older gentlemen who told me about their BSA motorcycle with a gleam in their eye. I looked at the specs for the royal enfield seems pretty comparable in power. I wonder if their will be a difference in gearing compared to the enfield and whether this will push Enfield into liquid cooling for the 650. Overall I hope they do well. I think Royal enfield probably has the advantage in dealer network at this point but I hope to see them in US.
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Well it seems that Motorcycle "Daily" belatedly has heard about the reintroduction of the Gold Star. Yesterday they posted this:
https://www.motorcycledaily.com/2021/12/2022-bsa-gold-star-debuts-when-the-past-becomes-present/
Nothing new that you haven't read if you've been following this thread. Hope Mahindra is successful in establishing a U.S. dealer network for their retro, that the pricing is competitive with RE and that the quality is top notch too. It will be interesting to watch this unfold!
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I like it!!! - - and I hope it comes to the USA soon!! :thumb: :bow: :cool: :boozing: :thumb: :thumb: :smiley:
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https://www.cycleworld.com/story/motorcycle-news/2022-bsa-gold-star-first-look-preview/
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https://www.cycleworld.com/story/motorcycle-news/2022-bsa-gold-star-first-look-preview/
Interesting comment from that article...
Here’s to hoping Mahindra utilizes their existing dealer network for reintroducing BSA to the US market - lack of dealerships is a problem that this move could solve. With the US being such a small part of the worldwide motorcycle market these days starting up new dealerships or selling franchises to existing ones must be a struggle. There are two Mahindra shops less than a half hour from my house - the closest Royal Enfield or Triumph shops are over an hour away.
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Interesting comment from that article...
Here’s to hoping Mahindra utilizes their existing dealer network for reintroducing BSA to the US market - lack of dealerships is a problem that this move could solve. With the US being such a small part of the worldwide motorcycle market these days starting up new dealerships or selling franchises to existing ones must be a struggle. There are two Mahindra shops less than a half hour from my house - the closest Royal Enfield or Triumph shops are over an hour away.
Those interesting comments were not made by the CycleWorld writers but by someone commenting afterwards with a pretty logical thought about a Mahindra dealer network. Mahindra has more dealers within 250 miles of Cleveland, OH than I think Guzzi has in the entire country - interesting. Not sure what some of those dealerships look like but... I didn't get a count of Mahindra dealers throughout the whole country, but believe they may be in the hundreds. It might seem like a logical choice to use some of these dealers to handle their new BSA retro bike. See this Mahindra website for dealers in your state (scroll down on this website for state by state queries): https://www.mahindrausa.com/--locate-a-dealer
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Mmm? I've got one within 25 miles of me, though it IS an ACE Hardware store... :boozing:
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Mmm? I've got one within 25 miles of me, though it IS an ACE Hardware store... :boozing:
I think that was the way that Honda started in many places...I hope Mahindra gets off to a good start, their new Gold Star is a beauty! I hope they sell boat loads of them.