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Re: Merged topics: 2007 Norge First ride review
« Reply #90 on: August 15, 2022, 11:59:48 AM »
Thanks, missed that and that is weird, wonder what caused that to happen?

It turns out I have considerable experience resistance-welding dissimilar metals, or I might not have
spotted it.  The only thing I can think of is that there was a combination of small contact area
and high resistance to cause the weld.
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Re: Merged topics: 2007 Norge First ride review
« Reply #91 on: August 15, 2022, 12:03:12 PM »
I have seen this many times, CARC's & newer run real hot compared to the single plug heads.

NGK caps 90*, car wires cut to fit. ALL DONE.  Theese will work------------

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Arcing from loose plug cap that screws on.

Thanks for the referral, I was looking at far more expensive solutions.
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Re: Merged topics: 2007 Norge First ride review
« Reply #92 on: August 15, 2022, 12:27:31 PM »
Most bike shops carry the NGK caps. They don't work on the inside plugs, those take a different one.
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Re: Merged topics: 2007 Norge First ride review
« Reply #93 on: August 15, 2022, 12:54:50 PM »
This is one of the inside spark plug wires.
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Re: Merged topics: 2007 Norge First ride review
« Reply #93 on: August 15, 2022, 12:54:50 PM »

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Re: Merged topics: 2007 Norge First ride review
« Reply #94 on: August 18, 2022, 09:29:13 AM »
I didn't want to jinx you on the gas tank removal, however, now that you have been initiated into the broken fuel connector club, you can obtain these replacement parts from Gutsibits, or you can even buy the metal one from BMW and cut into the lines so that future removal is much easier than the existing setup (which is made easier by buying the right tool to "squeeze/press/separate").

Plastic version:  https://www.gutsibits.co.uk/pr/TheShop/index.php?f=d&q=FUA01692

Metal version: https://www.beemerboneyard.com/cpcqkdiscon.html


I have been on a wild ride.  Gutsibits is out of stock.  Then I discovered that these red spigots are used in Ford cars.  But only on Escorts, and only in Europe, no stock in the USA at Ford.   Ford part number 1330328 for a red one, or 1072003 for the white version.  Then I found a dozen sources in Europe, but when you "add to cart" they ALL say that they won't ship to the USA.  Finally  found that Husky uses them, and some clever fellow has made an aluminum version.



It is missing the washer of sharps that retains the plastic ones, so you have to drill and tap a hole for a set screw.  The $43 price is less than shipping the plastic one from Europe, so I am happy.  https://ziptyracing.com/products/fuel-pump-elbow-oem-8000ah2930-gte-fi-husky

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Re: Merged topics: 2007 Norge First ride review
« Reply #95 on: August 18, 2022, 09:50:31 AM »
That's a good find...hopefully it works.

Last time I bought from Gutsibits I bought two of them, so I have a spare one still available...did you try calling them to see when they would get it back in stock?

Might be worthwhile calling MG Cycle, Harpers, AF1 and see if any of them have it in stock as well...all stateside parts supplies for Guzzi.

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Re: Merged topics: 2007 Norge First ride review
« Reply #96 on: August 18, 2022, 10:07:14 AM »
That's a good find...hopefully it works.

Last time I bought from Gutsibits I bought two of them, so I have a spare one still available...did you try calling them to see when they would get it back in stock?

Might be worthwhile calling MG Cycle, Harpers, AF1 and see if any of them have it in stock as well...all stateside parts supplies for Guzzi.
Yes, I got a nice e-mail from them asking if I wanted to be informed.  Thanks for your kind offer, I have already purchased the aluminum one and want to try that first.
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Re: Merged topics: 2007 Norge First ride review
« Reply #97 on: August 22, 2022, 09:50:58 AM »
I got the bike back together Saturday afternoon, having changed the air filter (the old one looked OK), the outer spark plugs (the old ones looked pristine), the inner spark plugs (deposits from 27.5k miles, but not obviously bad), and the gas filter (the plastic swollen like a blimp, glad I caught it).

Then filled it with ethanol-free and took it for a ride up the canyon.  There was a very noticeable improvement, especially running smooth as butter and a surprisingly wide torque range.  At speeds between 50 and 80 mph I just stayed in 3rd gear.   I guess the inner spark plugs were worse than they looked.

Still need to fix the "starting with the clutch engaged" problem, balance the throttle bodies, and update the fuel map.
The left spark plugs looked like they were running rich.
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Re: Merged topics: 2007 Norge First ride review
« Reply #98 on: August 22, 2022, 10:02:02 AM »
Excellent news!    Highly recommend doing the Guzzidiag TPS and parameters learning reset process, and also doing the TB balancing with the manometer/Carbtune, assuming you haven't already done that.    Good to be back on the road again!
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Re: Merged topics: 2007 Norge First ride review
« Reply #99 on: August 29, 2022, 10:20:51 AM »
Saturday I got the throttle bodies balanced (out by a quarter of a turn).

I struggled for 2.5 hours trying to get the laptop to communicate with the ECU.  Finally I found another connector back by the tool kit and tried that.  It connected up the first try.  Evidently the one by the "glove box" is for something else, though it looks identical. :violent1:

I loaded the Beetle map and took it for a ride.  First impression is that now it starts on the first try instead of the second.   Torque range better than ever.

By the way, I took a photo of the VIN tag including in the photo my driver's license and the key, but the DMV wouldn't even look at the photos.  So today I am going down again to disassemble in the parking lot to get this registered.
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Re: Merged topics: 2007 Norge First ride review
« Reply #100 on: August 29, 2022, 11:07:08 AM »
I also took a look at the microswitch on the clutch lever assembly.  Using my ohm meter and needle test method I determined that sure enough, it isn't closing.   Any suggestions for a source of a new one?
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Re: Merged topics: 2007 Norge First ride review
« Reply #101 on: August 30, 2022, 06:20:25 AM »
I also took a look at the microswitch on the clutch lever assembly.  Using my ohm meter and needle test method I determined that sure enough, it isn't closing.   Any suggestions for a source of a new one?

Unfortunately they are back ordered. I have no idea what that clutch switch is for, and if mine is bad it’s never showed up as code on the dash.

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Re: Merged topics: 2007 Norge First ride review
« Reply #102 on: August 30, 2022, 07:54:06 AM »
Unfortunately they are back ordered. I have no idea what that clutch switch is for, and if mine is bad it’s never showed up as code on the dash.

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I took mine off.
It’s there so that you can start the bike in gear, but only with the lever in…(as I recall). I think if I put my Norge in gear on the side stand and hit the button it will jump forward with predictable results.
I know for sure if you hit the starter in gear with the stand up, it WILL jump forward, the switch prevents this. Just another thing to bugger up…

Anyway, mine began to give trouble, so I took it off and joined the wires 10 years ago.
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Re: Merged topics: 2007 Norge First ride review
« Reply #103 on: August 30, 2022, 09:19:26 AM »
Yes, the clutch microswitch tells the bike that the clutch is pulled in so the starting motor will operate.  Otherwise the starting motor won't operate unless you are in neutral.

It is good to know that shorting out the leads will not have any unintended consequences.  I'll do that until I can get the new switch installed. 

I stalled the bike this morning at a stop thinking I was in neutral and had to hunt around for neutral to get it started again.  Embarrassing.
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Re: Merged topics: 2007 Norge First ride review
« Reply #104 on: August 30, 2022, 04:47:42 PM »
I took mine off.
It’s there so that you can start the bike in gear, but only with the lever in…(as I recall). I think if I put my Norge in gear on the side stand and hit the button it will jump forward with predictable results.
I know for sure if you hit the starter in gear with the stand up, it WILL jump forward, the switch prevents this. Just another thing to bugger up…

Anyway, mine began to give trouble, so I took it off and joined the wires 10 years ago.

Thanks, had no idea.
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Re: Merged topics: 2007 Norge First ride review
« Reply #105 on: August 30, 2022, 06:04:42 PM »
Thanks, had no idea.
It’s that long since I’ve ridden the bugger, I’m a bit hazy.
I’ll check in 48 hours… :wink:

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Re: Merged topics: 2007 Norge First ride review
« Reply #106 on: August 30, 2022, 06:09:19 PM »
Kaladin.. it looks like the Norge has tested you and found you worthy.  :smiley: You may now enjoy it for years..
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Re: Merged topics: 2007 Norge First ride review
« Reply #107 on: August 30, 2022, 06:38:59 PM »
Yes, the clutch microswitch tells the bike that the clutch is pulled in so the starting motor will operate.  Otherwise the starting motor won't operate unless you are in neutral.

It is good to know that shorting out the leads will not have any unintended consequences.  I'll do that until I can get the new switch installed. 

I stalled the bike this morning at a stop thinking I was in neutral and had to hunt around for neutral to get it started again.  Embarrassing.

It also triggers something in the ECU to raise rpms a bit when first released.
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Re: Merged topics: 2007 Norge First ride review
« Reply #108 on: September 05, 2022, 10:01:10 AM »
It also triggers something in the ECU to raise rpms a bit when first released.

With the clutch switch removed, but not shorted, the idle speed increases from 1200rpm to
1500 rpm just putting it into first gear.
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Re: Merged topics: 2007 Norge First ride review
« Reply #109 on: December 23, 2022, 12:24:04 PM »
Final report.  I love this bike.  As I tried to explain to my wife, I don't need two motorcycles, but it is fun.  It is fun to have an exotic Italian beauty.  It is fun to learn how to tune and repair it.  It is fun to look at it.   My 360 mile round trip to Moab convinced me that I don't need to raise the handlebars or lower the foot pegs.  And that it will go at 100MPH for extended periods, and 123MPH for at least 5 minutes if you can stand the tachometer blinking at you. 

The downside?  I get 50MPG on the Beemer on a trip, and only got about 31MPG on the trip to Moab.  I am not as tempted to go like a bat out of hell on the BMW for some reason I might want to evaluate.  I might want to get a higher windscreen. 

As I told my friend in Italy, I am learning to smile in Italian.

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Re: Merged topics: 2007 Norge First ride review
« Reply #110 on: December 23, 2022, 12:51:22 PM »
 
You sound a lot like what I went through after14 HD's.  This is my 2nd Norge after 3 BMW's and other assorted brands.  I feel as I have finally come home to MG.  Mine when purchased had the upgrades I should have installed on the 1st Norge.  Makes a huge difference in comfort and handling.
  I too have learned to "Smile in Italian" with my Mature Italian Mistress I call her


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Re: Merged topics: 2007 Norge First ride review
« Reply #111 on: December 23, 2022, 01:22:09 PM »
Yes, the clutch microswitch tells the bike that the clutch is pulled in so the starting motor will operate.  Otherwise the starting motor won't operate unless you are in neutral.

It is good to know that shorting out the leads will not have any unintended consequences.  I'll do that until I can get the new switch installed. 

I stalled the bike this morning at a stop thinking I was in neutral and had to hunt around for neutral to get it started again.  Embarrassing.
Mine will start in gear with the clutch pulled in or out. So if you stall the bike, just pull the clutch in when you hit the starter.

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Re: Merged topics: 2007 Norge First ride review
« Reply #112 on: December 23, 2022, 01:28:11 PM »
Mine will start in gear with the clutch pulled in or out. So if you stall the bike, just pull the clutch in when you hit the starter.
Mine won't. 
Problem is that the microswitch on the clutch is broken.  I have bought another and am waiting for an emptier gas tank to tackle it.
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Re: Merged topics: 2007 Norge First ride review
« Reply #113 on: December 23, 2022, 01:30:57 PM »
Mine won't. 
Problem is that the microswitch on the clutch is broken.  I have bought another and am waiting for an emptier gas tank to tackle it.
Micro switch on the clutch ?

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Re: Merged topics: 2007 Norge First ride review
« Reply #114 on: December 23, 2022, 01:48:48 PM »
Mine won't. 
Problem is that the microswitch on the clutch is broken.  I have bought another and am waiting for an emptier gas tank to tackle it.
Can’t you siphon it out or just ride it somewhere ?

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Re: Merged topics: 2007 Norge First ride review
« Reply #115 on: December 23, 2022, 01:54:50 PM »
Micro switch on the clutch ?
Misspoke:  Microswitch on the clutch lever.
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Re: Merged topics: 2007 Norge First ride review
« Reply #116 on: December 23, 2022, 01:57:11 PM »
Can’t you siphon it out or just ride it somewhere ?
All my gas cans are full, and it's 24F out there  :laugh:
I did take it for a ride for a mile Saturday, but it's cold outside.
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Re: Merged topics: 2007 Norge First ride review
« Reply #117 on: December 23, 2022, 01:58:23 PM »
Misspoke:  Microswitch on the clutch lever.
Ok makes sense.
But I just cut the switch off and joined the wires.

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Re: Merged topics: 2007 Norge First ride review
« Reply #118 on: December 23, 2022, 02:04:57 PM »
Ok makes sense.
But I just cut the switch off and joined the wires.
I didn't know if there would be unintended consequences to doing this, but if you have been successful it sounds like a good quick fix until I get to the switch swap.
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Re: Merged topics: 2007 Norge First ride review
« Reply #119 on: December 23, 2022, 02:15:40 PM »
I didn't know if there would be unintended consequences to doing this, but if you have been successful it sounds like a good quick fix until I get to the switch swap.
All you’re doing is simulating the closing of the switch. The brain thinks the clutch is permanently pulled in. I did mine in 2010 about 160,000 km back.
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