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Title: 1998 V11EV lights no fuel pump nor starter
Post by: sparkyrasmus on August 03, 2021, 12:49:56 PM

I just finished installing new brake lines on my 1998 V11EV.  I put it all back together, bled the brakes, checked for fuel in the tank, oil in the crankcase, and a full charge in the battery.  Lights work, but the fuel pump is shut off, the starter won't even click the solenoid.  Kill switch is in the run position.  ( I checked many times)   I have power to fuses 2,3,4,5,and 6.  Number 1, auxiliary power is dead.  I pulled relays and cleaned contacts.  Still a dead unit with running lights. 
I really don't know where to even start on this.  It ran a month ago, before I removed the brake lines. 
I've been checking for connections I may have disturbed whole running the new brake lines.  Unless I am missing something I have all the wires that were unconnected reconnected. 
My bike needs your wisdom, and so do I.

Title: Re: 1998 V11EV lights no fuel pump nor starter
Post by: yogidozer on August 03, 2021, 01:46:13 PM

When you have an EV, you learn to carry extra, known good, relays.
You can also try unplugging, then replugging the relay. With luck, it might just have a bit of corrosion.

Title: Re: 1998 V11EV lights no fuel pump nor starter
Post by: guzzisteve on August 03, 2021, 02:03:19 PM

Could be 1 less wire on batt or still a plug under tank apart. There is a 1/2 moon one for pump by the brake splitter.

Title: Re: 1998 V11EV lights no fuel pump nor starter
Post by: Old Jock on August 03, 2021, 02:06:18 PM

You need fuses 1 & 2 to be live, fuse 1 powers the ECU and you're not going anywhere without that live, fuse 2 the injection relay which is the one that's traditionally overloaded.

Fuses 1 & 2 are fed directly off the battery, are all the ring connectors on the battery, as I understand (I don't own a V11) there are quite a few and easy to miss one off the battery positive

OMRON  G8HE-1C7T-R-DC12, are the only known relays to withstand the load, however these are now manufactured from Unobtanium, BUT the OMRON G8HE-1A7T-R-DC12 models are, these don't have N/C contacts and can be used in all but 1 of the relay block (the starter relay requires N/C and N/O contacts)

Title: Re: 1998 V11EV lights no fuel pump nor starter
Post by: Wayne Orwig on August 04, 2021, 07:58:21 AM

Sidestand switch?
Wire on the battery moved? (there are a few 'extra' cables on the battery that you need to get right)

Title: Re: 1998 V11EV lights no fuel pump nor starter
Post by: Old Jock on August 04, 2021, 08:23:07 AM

Thing is Wayne he stated Fuse 1 is dead.

That fuse, from the diagram I'm looking at, is always powered from the battery and goes to the ECU, it's also used the N/O contacts of the ECU relay. Nothing else is connected via that leg, battery to fuse directly.

So either a plug (that's not shown on the diagram) or a cable left off the battery, I doubt the bike will do much without power to the ECU.

He could use a temp flying lead from the battery to the fuse to see if that helps, I'm waiting to see if he comes back with any update

Title: Re: 1998 V11EV lights no fuel pump nor starter
Post by: sparkyrasmus on August 04, 2021, 10:05:48 AM

Duh.  I raised the sidestand.  It runs. 
What made this fun is that the service manual I have does not take into account that 98 is a transition year.  Brakes were swapped midyear, as was the fuse block.  The manual lists seven fuses, I have six.  Thankfully they are listed on the back of the sidecover.  When I had Spiegler make brake lines for the bike, I needed to send in my old ones, along with the VIN, for the patterns.  Don't get me started on bleeding the brake system without removing and inverting the rear caliper. 

But we are having fun again.  I love this bike's ride and responsiveness.
Next project - fork seals. 

THANKS FOLKS!  :bow: :bow:
  It is great to have a group of fellow Guzzistas online to help reboot my brain every now and then.   

Title: Re: 1998 V11EV lights no fuel pump nor starter
Post by: Kiwi_Roy on August 04, 2021, 12:04:46 PM

I made this sketch to print out and carry under the side cover, it shows all the main circuits from the side cover view.
If you unplug the side stand switch on an EV the relay defaults to the closed position, unlike many other Guzzis that require the stand switch to be closed for running,
The Stand Relay is the only one that uses the Normally Closed contact. 30 - 87A
(https://i.ibb.co/kXzF4NF/EV-Sketch.jpg) (https://ibb.co/kXzF4NF)

Title: Re: 1998 V11EV lights no fuel pump nor starter
Post by: guzzisteve on August 04, 2021, 01:57:38 PM

I think you owe Wayne a case o beer!! We're into rebooting bikes NOT brains, He, He, He.

Title: Re: 1998 V11EV lights no fuel pump nor starter
Post by: JoeB on August 05, 2021, 06:49:31 AM

Quote from: sparkyrasmus on August 04, 2021, 10:05:48 AM

  Thankfully they are listed on the back of the sidecover.   

For what it's worth, an old post on relay positions 98EV.
"On mine I found the relay's and fuses for the fuel pump and ECU were opposite of factory schematics. Think it was pyro Dan who had two with serial numbers very close together and they were different. Must of had some good wine at lunch then back to work. Here's a diagram from his site. http://dpguzzi.com/cal1100i.pdf"
https://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=74074.0