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Don't be surprised at the low "stripper" spec bike. They do the same thing with the GS. The delux will outsell the stripper by 10 to 1. Watch.
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<SNIP>BMW R1250 GS - 591 lbs wet / 136 hp / $17,995 base</SNIP>
I tip my hat to HD for branching out and taking on the crowded big adventure bike market, but for an unproven design and new to the segment I think they have missed the boat on price. I don't think the class leaders need to worry to much about the Pan America.HD Pan America - 534 ~ 560 lbs wet / 150 hp / $20,999 base ~ $24,199 specialBMW R1250 GS - 591 lbs wet / 136 hp / $17,995 baseKTM 1290 Adventure R - 530 lbs wet / 160 hp / $18,599 baseHonda Africa Twin Sport ES - 501 lbs wet / 100 hp / $14,399 baseI just don't get the big heavy adventure bikes, they are all pretty limited to pavement and packed gravel for most riders capabilities, it takes a very strong and fit man to handle a 550 lb cycle in the sand or dirt and most of these get loaded up with another 50 ~ 75 lbs of luggage. I have witnessed how poorly the big bikes handle on the sloppy and loose stuff.
Agreed 100%. Even my 800XC was a handful off-road and that was listed at 474lbs. I know that bike was well over 550lbs with all my accessories, gear and luggage on it. The other problem I had is that 500lbs + 100hp + knobbies = $$$. I imagine 560lbs + 150hp will be much, much worse. These heavy weight Adventure Touring bikes are just fine with street rubber and maintained gravel. The problems begin when you spoon some knobbies on 'em and try to take 'em off-road. Tip overs on my 800XC generally resulted in flattened crash bars, busted hand guards, gouged cases and bent levers. These are NOT dual sport bikes. That being said, I would consider the base model Pan American. It's just a few thousand more than a V-Strom 1050XT and it doesn't need the spendy valve checks.
I agree 100% as I’ve attempted to make this point on several occasions, as this subject has raised its head several times. I know these bikes a popular, even here with our MG family. The elephant in the room is that these, luggage and loaded Behemoths weighing in at 600 pounds + are at best dirt road capable motorcycles. Any experienced rider with the physical capabilities can ride their street bike in the majority of places the duel sport can be ridden.
HD Pan America - 534 ~ 560 lbs wet / 150 hp / $20,999 base ~ $24,199 specialBMW R1250 GS - 591 lbs wet / 136 hp / $17,995 baseKTM 1290 Adventure R - 530 lbs wet / 160 hp / $18,599 baseHonda Africa Twin Sport ES - 501 lbs wet / 100 hp / $14,399 base
Does anybody know anyone who owns a BASE GS? I'm a member of a large active BMW club and nobody has a base model. Nor when my buddy was a BMW bike dealer did he ever have a base bike on the floor.If and when I move west and think about that kind of bike it'll be a Guzzi but I'd get the H-D over a BMW every time if it's even remotely capable.
Your facts are not correct. The Pan America base is 17,300 and the special is 19,999.
I like the Pan American a lot, and I hope Harley sells a s$#@ ton of them! My riding buddy who owns a Triumph X1200E Scrambler wants me to sell my Milwaukee Road Sofa and buy one.
That picture makes me want to buy a Harley Dave. I’ll read up on the PA but the picture posted makes it look like a Rokon.
Oh, and hydraulic lifters - no valve checks!Not only does it have tubeless spoke wheels, but the spokes can be replaced without breaking down the wheel.This type of bike (even just a WC motor) is not my cuppa jo, but I have to say there's a lot to like about it.I really hope it does well and opens the door for Harley to FINALLY branch out. Other bikes built around this modular motor as stressed member platform would be a nice addition to Harley's old world bikes.
The old is forever new! My 1991 R100GS is equipped with tubeless spoke wheels made by Akront (Spain, I think.) I believe if one had the misfortune to hit anything hard enough to break a spoke, it can be replaced without removing the tire from the rim. I think these rims showed up on the US models in 1988.
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