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Re: Lario rehab project begins. What we've learned..
« Reply #600 on: June 22, 2017, 03:37:02 PM »
forgot to update this thread with the fix for the stupid front brake light switch which has been a reoccurring issue. Chucked it up in the lathe and cut the crimp off so I could take it apart.
Here's the problem with them: There are two brass tabs that are bent to touch the plunger. If one isn't bent enough.. no brake light.
I'm pointing to the offending member.
2017-06-20_08-53-48 by Charles Stottlemyer, on Flickr
While I had it held in the lathe, I put a blunt tool in and made them both the same.
There is a brass ring cast into the insulator where the crimp holds it together. I just soft soldered the case to that. We'll see how long that holds up. I'm guessing longer than that $55.87 plus shipping switch.  :evil:  :smiley: Cost? nothing. (Guzzi content)
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Re: Lario rehab project begins. What we've learned..
« Reply #601 on: June 22, 2017, 04:56:57 PM »
Hey Chuck,

Something I see a lot around this forum is 'Cost? Nothing (Guzzi content)'. What does (Guzzi content) mean in this context?

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« Reply #602 on: June 22, 2017, 06:16:42 PM »
Uhhh, Guzzisti are known the world round for being.. uhhh. frugal. <snapping suspenders>  :smiley:
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« Reply #603 on: June 22, 2017, 08:17:25 PM »
Ahhh... :bow:
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« Reply #603 on: June 22, 2017, 08:17:25 PM »

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« Reply #604 on: May 04, 2018, 12:36:00 PM »
Last fall, I noticed the voltage regulator (probably) acting up. The voltmeter was jumping around, and I put that on my to be fixed list over the winter. Cleaned up the electrical connections at the diode board and regulator and took it for a putt.
Didn't help. Ordered a new regulator from Gordon and Cheesehead, and since I needed something else to fail  :evil: got the adjustable one. Still less than 20 bucks. Bolts right up.
Installed it,





and the volt meter likes it.  :smiley:
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« Reply #605 on: May 04, 2018, 03:36:07 PM »
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« Reply #606 on: May 06, 2018, 05:50:43 AM »
I don't see any reason it shouldn't.. :smiley:
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« Reply #607 on: June 03, 2018, 11:14:11 AM »
Any one up for making a V85 Lario Mark III with the new V85 - 80 hp mill/tranny when out?
OK - there may be a new sports commuter on the drawing bord at
Guzzi. Seems like this mill is the center of a whole new range of SB's  :thumb:

The Aero mill wouls still create magic in a line of SB's too.

I envy you Chuck in the good  way. I could not get one, and I'm happy you of all did.

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« Reply #608 on: June 19, 2018, 07:58:25 AM »
Thanks for all you help. The Aero engine is coming up on 12000 miles, now. Just push the button and go.  :grin: Changed out the tires for MT75s. That was a good move. It's the first time I've been happy with the way it handles. I'd been running a Sport Demon on the front, and whatever rear I could find.
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« Reply #609 on: September 05, 2018, 03:40:52 PM »
Rode to the Ohio rally this weekend, and boiled the brake fluid on the "Triple Nickle." It's a tricky road with many blind curves following a steep hill.  :grin: Roadkyll said he had a syringe.. why don't we change out the fluid? Did that with a struggle. Got it pretty well bled, really after a deaf guy let up on the pedal at the wrong time.  :cool:
At any rate, hanging this vise from the lever for 24 hours made the pedal rock hard.
2018-09-05_04-32-21 by Charles Stottlemyer, on Flickr

On the way home, the speedo drive blew up. I thought, "No problem.. the usual suspects will have one." Not. The Lario drive is unique because it uses a 19mm front axle instead of 17. No repops. Unkept found me the last NOS one in existence from TLM. :thumb:
18000 miles now..
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« Reply #610 on: September 10, 2018, 02:13:57 PM »
That is still such a great looking valve cover.

If I get a V85, I'll need a custom pair of valve covers that look like the Aero.  :grin:

Glad to be of some help!

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« Reply #611 on: June 08, 2019, 11:50:39 AM »
Hello Chuck,
First off, thanks for pointing me to your post and this forum.  When I grow up, I want to be able to do the kind work you show on this rebuild.
I have read this whole story and I hope you can elaborate on some things you did.

1) Some pictures are missing.  They don't load or they cannot be found.  I installed the Photobucket add on, but no luck.  Bummer.

2) Alignment:  It seems that the engine and gearbox align the whole bike.  You mentioned to keep the final drive bolts lose until the rear axle is torqued down.  So, I guess the swing arm is aligned
to the gearbox, then the swing arm aligns the rear wheel.  Do you expect those last 4 bolts on the D side to find home for the final drive?  Isn't that already bolted to the rear wheel?
Finally, the engine block aligns the top frame, which aligns the front fork and front tire.  Is alignment something to worry about?  I am used to a bike with a chain drive, which have alignment screws
on the rear fork.

3) Compressed air to listen for leaks?  Genius.

4) When you reassembled the rear drive, what elsemust be replaced?  Gaskets, washers?

5) Why did you replace the bearing on the gearbox?  Just cuz, or did you find a problem with the bearing?

I hope you got the Lario on the road again.
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Re: Lario rehab project begins. What we've learned..
« Reply #612 on: June 12, 2019, 07:40:31 PM »
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  Is alignment something to worry about? 
Well, "I" haven't been worried about it.  :smiley: There's not much to go wrong.
Aircraft mechanics have been using compressed air to check for leaks since..uhh.. forever.
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When you reassembled the rear drive, what elsemust be replaced?  Gaskets, washers?
Gaskets.
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Why did you replace the bearing on the gearbox?  Just cuz, or did you find a problem with the bearing?
Just cuz..  :smiley:
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I hope you got the Lario on the road again.
It's never been off the road since the Aero engine conversion.
Sorry for the late reply, I don't come here often.
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« Reply #613 on: June 12, 2019, 07:46:24 PM »
Replaced the headlight bulb with an LED unit. Plug and play (and cheap.. Guzzi content) on the Lario headlight..
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01C1AOSVS/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Tail light bulbs were replaced with these:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07C63K92T/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Plug and play also, bright, and very little power draw.  :thumb:

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« Reply #614 on: June 13, 2019, 04:33:04 PM »
Thanks for the photos and links to the parts. Are you pretty happy with the headlight light spread? The tail light looks like a must for sure. Makes me think of this song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJh47LybCkU
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« Reply #615 on: June 13, 2019, 07:17:50 PM »
Dunno about the headlight spread. <shrug> It looks ok on the Guzzi Garage (tm) wall, but I'll probably never ride it at night. With daylight savings time, I'm asleep before it gets dark.  :grin:
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« Reply #616 on: June 14, 2019, 07:03:24 AM »
Gotcha, that should also extend the bulb life expectancy that way!
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« Reply #617 on: June 14, 2019, 04:08:54 PM »
Looking good Chuck!  I always liked the Lario.  I have put your LED suggestions in my Amazon cart. 
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Re: Lario rehab project begins. What we've learned..
« Reply #618 on: July 20, 2019, 10:50:11 AM »
Hello Chuck,
I am wondering how the exhaust pipes paint job is holding up.
Mine are just as bad as yours were and I am thinking of painting them (not gonna spend $500 to replace).  How about the silencers?

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« Reply #619 on: September 07, 2019, 02:06:27 PM »
Hello Chuck,
I am wondering how the exhaust pipes paint job is holding up.
Mine are just as bad as yours were and I am thinking of painting them (not gonna spend $500 to replace).  How about the silencers?

Thanks,
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PS: I keep re-reading this post as I restore my V65GT. Can't thank you enough for it.

Sorry for the really late reply. Like I said, I don't come here much. I waste enough time on the main page.  :grin: Actually, the bbq high temp paint is doing well. I haven't repainted them yet.
I only came here this time to look back and see the order of parts on the rear master cylinder. During the Ohio rally last year, through some mis communication, the piston went into areas it isn't supposed to go. It has been getting a "tick" as I apply the brake, probably a seal. I'm going to put a new kit into it today, and thought, "Hmmm back in the day some guy rebuilt a Lario and told about how to do that.."  :smiley:
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« Reply #620 on: September 07, 2019, 08:15:50 PM »
No worries.  Thanks for the reply.
I am doing something very similar and I refer to this thread a lot.
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« Reply #621 on: September 10, 2019, 05:17:52 AM »
No worries.  Thanks for the reply.
I am doing something very similar and I refer to this thread a lot.

With my memory  :rolleyes: I refer to it, too.. :grin:
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« Reply #622 on: August 14, 2020, 01:24:04 PM »
Tire update:
I'd been trying to find a matching set of tires with no luck because of the Weird Harold tire sizes on the Lario.  :grin:
I finally put a set of MT 75s on it, and they were a (relative) success. Because they are lower profile than stock, the already optimistic speedometer became the Grand PooBah of the Optimist's club.  :smiley: :boozing: Handled ok.
The rear lasted a little under 3000 miles. The front was still ok.. but I found a set of Conti scooter tires the same size and wanted to try the set to see if I like them any better. Time (and riding) will tell.
They have the same tread pattern as the Road Attack 3s of which I am a big fan. Of course, they *aren't* RA3s. :smiley:
They cost $120 for the pair.. delivered in one day from Bike Bandit.. with tax. (!) They also come with a 3 year road hazard *and* roadside flat tire assistance. (!!)
Sounds too good to be true, so it probably isn't..  :wink:
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« Reply #623 on: August 21, 2020, 08:14:23 AM »
i run my lario on pirelli diablo rosso scooter tires.
it is nice to have modern rubber, they absolutely transformed the handling of the lario.
and as you noticed , being scooter tires , they are cheap.
only possible drawback , they are S rated , so 160 km/h.
absolutely recommended.

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« Reply #624 on: February 19, 2021, 06:19:19 PM »
Bump.
Is this it Chuck ?

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« Reply #625 on: November 12, 2021, 04:15:13 PM »
Bump.
Is this it Chuck ?
Not yet.  :smiley: Time for another update. The Conti Scoots have worked well. Decent handling  :thumb: and wear is ok.
At the Wisconsin rally this year, I decided that the AeroLario would be my "wind up" bike, and I might as well spend a little money on it. (Not Guzzi content.)  :wink: Special ordered a set of Mistrals from Cheesehead and Gordon. After weeks, they showed up, and eagerly opening the box I found they were chrome.  :rolleyes: Profuse apologies, and an offer to knock quite a bit of money off if I could live with them.
Nope. I want black, dammit.  :grin: I really don't want to paint these, so they sent the FedX guy to my house to pick them up.
More waiting, and some black ones just showed up.
Pulled off the Milich Special Rusty Bubs.  :smiley: Back in the day, I looked for small block Bubs for a really long time. Ed, of course, deals in Junque. As in expensive junk. When they showed up on the bay, I emailed him and asked if the guts were rusted out of them. "Nope." So, I bit the bullet and bought them.

They were nasty, but they were Bubs.. so I spent a fair amount of time on them, and ran them for several years. They were rusted together, so I couldn't repack them. Pretty raucous.
Eyeballed the new Mistrals, and "Uh oh." Not even close to fitting. When I grafted in the Aero engine, the exhaust system was one of the fussiest jobs on the whole conversion. Today, I started cutting and fitting. The Mistrals interfered with the bags and the kick up of the pipes didn't work either.
You can see the hanger template out of poster board with the Bubs. It was the first effort, and darned if it didn't work. (Blind hawgs finding acorns, and all that.)  :smiley:
Made a left and right hand out of steel and powder coated them flat black.


If anyone wants the rusty Bubs, I'll sell them for exactly what they are worth.
Nothin.
You have to pay shipping, though..  :smiley:
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« Reply #626 on: November 13, 2021, 03:29:20 AM »
Whats the verdict of Bubs versus Mistral on the running and noise then Chuck ?

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« Reply #627 on: November 13, 2021, 07:11:46 AM »
Whats the verdict of Bubs versus Mistral on the running and noise then Chuck ?

"Itsa not a noise, itsa sound."  :smiley:
Can't say, yet. It was cold and spitting rain on the ride from the shop to the Guzzi Garage (tm) yesterday. Didn't have earplugs in, so tough to tell about sound. The Mistrals seem to have less "bark" which is a good thing. I'm only guessing, but they are pretty free flowing, and I imagine carburation will be similar. Check back next Spring.. :wink:
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« Reply #628 on: November 16, 2021, 06:15:20 PM »
Got in a ride today to fill up with Stabil and non ethanol fuel. Helmet and earplugs, so I can definitely say the Mistrals are *much* better for sound over the rusty Bubs. Not as loud and more mellow. I can here the engine "singing"  :smiley: when it's happy.
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« Reply #629 on: November 17, 2021, 03:51:31 AM »
Fabulous result then Chuck !

 

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