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Re: Bacon Slicer project
« Reply #120 on: September 14, 2017, 10:12:27 PM »
Hey that was so cool to see with Si the other weekend
and that bad boy  fired right up. What a great sound  really like Half a Guzzi Twin sound
hope we connect again I had a hoot riding with you all
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Yes - me too. Glad you came over for all the shenanigans.  Too bad it was a too wet to ride the slicer.

Looking forward to riding with you in your neck of the woods next summer!
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Re: Bacon Slicer project
« Reply #121 on: September 20, 2017, 10:05:50 PM »
Gratuitous post to celebrate the installation of new carb parts and test ride.  Ran well, but had a bit of a surge at 1/4 throttle - lean?


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Re: Bacon Slicer project
« Reply #122 on: September 21, 2017, 08:02:50 AM »
...sounds like you need to enrichen the idle mixture. Perhaps you could raise the needle a notch, also.
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Re: Bacon Slicer project
« Reply #123 on: September 21, 2017, 10:21:38 AM »
What are the two tubes the protrude forward under then engine, with the chrome cap?


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Re: Bacon Slicer project
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Re: Bacon Slicer project
« Reply #124 on: September 21, 2017, 02:12:27 PM »
What are the two tubes the protrude forward under then engine, with the chrome cap?



I asked the same question  I think he said springs for the  rear end like  Harley soft tail
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Re: Bacon Slicer project
« Reply #125 on: September 21, 2017, 06:06:43 PM »
Congratulations, it's a boy!   :wink:
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« Reply #126 on: September 21, 2017, 06:46:37 PM »
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Re: Bacon Slicer project
« Reply #127 on: September 21, 2017, 08:54:57 PM »
I asked the same question  I think he said springs for the  rear end like  Harley soft tail

Harley??? Isn't it more Buellish:




Or Brittenish:


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Re: Bacon Slicer project
« Reply #128 on: September 21, 2017, 08:56:23 PM »
Congratulations, it's a boy!   :wink:

HarHar!!!   :grin:
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Re: Bacon Slicer project
« Reply #129 on: September 21, 2017, 09:18:06 PM »
Charlie (Antietam Cycle) recommended getting 7 mm steel rod from McMaster-Carr to make a new brake rod.

So:
                 

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« Reply #130 on: September 21, 2017, 09:28:59 PM »
Nice work, keep it coming! :1:

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Re: Bacon Slicer project
« Reply #131 on: September 21, 2017, 10:10:38 PM »
Did the new brake rod get rid of that flex, Shawn?

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Re: Bacon Slicer project
« Reply #132 on: September 23, 2017, 12:23:42 PM »
Did the new brake rod get rid of that flex, Shawn?

Yes.  Also did some re-adjusting including moving the pedal stop.  The rear brake feels much better and seems to stop better too.
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Re: Bacon Slicer project
« Reply #133 on: September 23, 2017, 01:01:59 PM »
I asked the same question  I think he said springs for the  rear end like  Harley soft tail

Yes and No.

Yes, they are a pair of long coil springs with a rod down the center of each which connects to the base of the swingarm.  When the swingarm pivots up under load, the rods are pulled and compress the springs.  Hence suspension.

No, they are not like Harley or Buell.  Guzzi perfected the concept long before them.  So, to be pedantic, Harley and Buell are like Guzzi.

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« Reply #134 on: September 27, 2017, 11:16:21 PM »
More parts from the old country!

   


That is a brand new oil tank!  (suitable for chrome)


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Re: Bacon Slicer project
« Reply #135 on: September 28, 2017, 07:03:31 AM »
A man with your talent coulda fabricated that..  :smiley:
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« Reply #136 on: October 05, 2017, 10:11:54 PM »
You honor me Chuck, but it's not true - especially in sheet metal.  I need so much practice!
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Re: Bacon Slicer project
« Reply #137 on: October 05, 2017, 10:55:45 PM »
Time to sort the charging system which requires pulling the flywheel??!



   

So made a tool out of a pawnshop socket to remove the lock ring.  Left hand thread.




The clever thing is that the nut is right hand thread and the lock ring is left hand. Backing the flanged nut off against the lock ring works like a puller to pull the flywheel off the keyed taper.




Unfortunately, it must've been loose.  Part of the crank has spalled off around the key and the engagement with the engine drive gear is also worn.  Ugh!

     


Pull the primary cover...




WOW!  It looks so modern.  That gear on the top drives the generator.  Pull that nut and the generator can be removed.




Lots of metal particles and wear:




Generator out.




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Re: Bacon Slicer project
« Reply #138 on: October 06, 2017, 10:28:21 AM »
Do those gears run dry?    :huh:  I don't see any oil on them.
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Re: Bacon Slicer project
« Reply #139 on: October 06, 2017, 11:18:09 AM »
The spinning crankshaft flings oil all over the innards, including the transmission gears with common oil.  As the piston rises and falls it slightly pressurizes the crank chamber air.  Some of that air (now with a lot of oil mist) is ejected out into this primary gear chamber and coats everything.  There is even a crossing passage to allow some of that air/oil mist to eject out right above the chain pinion to serve as a continuous chain oiler.  Most find the chain oiler too messy and block the passage in favor of modern sprays.

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Re: Bacon Slicer project
« Reply #140 on: October 06, 2017, 04:30:12 PM »
If you'd like to convert to a 12 volt alternator, it's possible to use an Alton alternator meant for a Vincent Comet. IIRC, I bought a replacement generator gear from Guzzino.com and did some minor machining to make it fit. Worked very well on my customer's Falcone.

http://alton-france.com/generators/



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Re: Bacon Slicer project
« Reply #141 on: October 06, 2017, 08:45:29 PM »
Do those gears run dry?    :huh:  I don't see any oil on them.

The clutch had been really sticky so I'd rinsed the clutch & gear chamber with gasoline.  I'll be adding a little oil in the future.


Thanks for the Alton tip Charlie. The generator motors so may try to find a solid state 6V reg and make it work for now. 

Got some of the generator parts soaking and hope to put it back together clean this weekend.

Still got to figure out how to get the clutch apart to clean it up.





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« Reply #142 on: October 06, 2017, 09:36:26 PM »
Still got to figure out how to get the clutch apart to clean it up.

Quite easy.  Go around the other side.  Unbolt the casting dome that handles the clutch lever.  Once that is off, look for the big knurled disc.  It is backwards threaded, so clockwise will remove it.  Then the springs, then the throwout rod.  All the clutch plates will now just fall out on the left side.  Careful about the center of the clutch basket gear.  Depending on your model it will have a simple bushing or may have a big bunch of roller bearing cylinders to fall and bounce all over the place.  Should be friction material plates inside and outside of the basket gear.  Bronze and steel discs can be cleaned and burrs filed away.

Ask again when you are ready for assembly as that can be a bit tricky.

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Re: Bacon Slicer project
« Reply #143 on: October 07, 2017, 01:53:20 PM »
Thanks Patrick!  I'll document with photos. 

Your translation of the Guzzi manuals arrived yesterday - a million thanks. It will be very helpful.
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Re: Bacon Slicer project
« Reply #144 on: October 14, 2017, 11:41:36 PM »
Videos!

My brother sent a link to videos he took of the Bacon Slicer the day after I got it running.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/zIKRVuURMzSu5tYr2

From the saddle a week or so later.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1B3Yd8SSkk&feature=youtu.be

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« Reply #145 on: October 15, 2017, 08:21:14 AM »
 :thumb:  Thank you!

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« Reply #146 on: October 15, 2017, 10:46:28 AM »
 Great accomplishment and Videos! :thumb:      Slice On!!

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« Reply #147 on: October 15, 2017, 07:08:54 PM »
Great video, thanks for posting, I want one even more now!

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Re: Bacon Slicer project
« Reply #148 on: October 16, 2017, 11:52:57 PM »
Insulation was shot on the field leads.

   



The threaded end of the armature and the nut that holds the drive gear were cross threaded and would not draw up the gear (it was loose on the shaft when I pulled it apart). Threads are 9mm x 1.0, but Hardware Sales had both a tap and die. Clean up the shaft with a thread file then die. Re-tap the nut from the back side.





Clean up generator (commutator end was caked with grease).

   



The reassembled generator motors and shows a charge when driven on the lathe. The regulator cutouts (which are bolted to the end of the generator) click like they should.  But there is a big problem with the drive gear - cracked at the keyway!






Decided to reinforce the aluminum gear with a steel collar. Tried to find something more appropriate, but the best fit was 1/2" water pipe!  Bore out pipe and turn down gear to an interference fit.

   


Heat the steel pipe and push the aluminum gear into it. Cut off the pipe and turn it down to match the rest of the gear.  Bolt it up and Bob's your uncle.

       


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Re: Bacon Slicer project
« Reply #149 on: October 17, 2017, 07:57:36 AM »
Wow!  Thanks for sharing all these tricks. How do you dream all these fixes up?
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