Wildgoose Chase Moto Guzzi

General Category => Bike Builds, Rebuilds And Restorations Only => Topic started by: Turin on March 29, 2016, 09:02:43 PM

Title: My Lemans SE project thread - Done
Post by: Turin on March 29, 2016, 09:02:43 PM
This is going to take a while. I haven't come up with a plan yet... maybe a dr john replica?

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Title: Re: My new Lemans SE project
Post by: Blueboarhound on March 29, 2016, 09:25:04 PM
... maybe a dr john replica?

 :thumb:
Title: Re: My new Lemans SE project
Post by: Air-Cooled on March 29, 2016, 09:56:04 PM
A little off-topic, but what has become of Dr. John Wittner?
Title: Re: My new Lemans SE project
Post by: Antietam Classic Cycle on March 29, 2016, 09:56:57 PM
Wow! Even more of a project than my '86 Le Mans 1000.
Title: Re: My new Lemans SE project
Post by: Turin on March 29, 2016, 11:49:15 PM
I like to think of it as starting with a clean slate  :grin:  I don't think a restoration is feasible. The motor is supposed to be a monster.
Title: Re: My new Lemans SE project
Post by: dsrdave on March 30, 2016, 05:19:39 AM
Here at Dave's home for wayward Guzzis I like projects.  But that may be a little over the top.  Lots a work, could make a cool bike out of it though.  Good luck and keep us posted on the project.
Title: Re: My new Lemans SE project
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on March 30, 2016, 08:30:20 AM
What's not to like? Tank, triples, frame, engine and apparently spares are there. I've done worse airplane projects.. :evil: :smiley:
Title: Re: My new Lemans SE project
Post by: Groover on March 30, 2016, 10:11:56 AM
Did you get the transmission with the project? Looks like a great one to have in storage-to-be-worked on.

Title: Re: My new Lemans SE project
Post by: dsrdave on March 30, 2016, 11:07:32 AM
 I may have a few left over parts if u need something let me know.  Have a complete breva fork assy if that helps....
Title: Re: My new Lemans SE project
Post by: Turin on March 30, 2016, 08:15:39 PM
Got the original motor and the race motor, original se close ratio tranny a spare (maybe eldo?) forks, and a set of custom billet triple clamps. I need everything that goes between the tranny and the rear wheel ( besides the swing arm). I'm not sure what kind of rear differential would be the sturdiest. Also I'd like a front wheel and axel, 16" would be fine.  :grin:
Title: Re: My new Lemans SE project
Post by: smdl on March 30, 2016, 09:14:57 PM
Congratulations!! A little bit of spot & polish and she'll be just like new!  :grin:

Cheers,
Shaun

Title: Re: My new Lemans SE project
Post by: cruzziguzzi on March 30, 2016, 10:30:36 PM
Project?

Quest more like it.

Dr John? I aplaude you Sir Knight!



Todd.
Title: Re: My new Lemans SE project
Post by: Antietam Classic Cycle on March 30, 2016, 11:04:44 PM
I need everything that goes between the tranny and the rear wheel ( besides the swing arm). I'm not sure what kind of rear differential would be the sturdiest.

Hard to go wrong with the original type rear drive with 7/33 gears. Driveshaft and coupler are available new for under $100 at MG Cycle, a new u-joint is ~ $237. 
Title: Re: My new Lemans SE project
Post by: pete mcgee on March 31, 2016, 03:48:49 AM
Project?

Looks more like building a dinosaur from a toenail.

Good luck.
Title: Re: My new Lemans SE project
Post by: twowings on March 31, 2016, 10:07:37 AM
Project?

Looks more like building a dinosaur from a toenail.

Good luck.

At least he's starting with the CORRECT DNA!!  :thumb:
Title: Re: My new Lemans SE project
Post by: mgmark on March 31, 2016, 10:15:44 AM
Also I'd like a front wheel and axel, 16" would be fine.  :grin:

I have an original 16" front wheel I can donate to your project for the cost of shipping. Let me know if you can use it.
Mark
Title: Re: My new Lemans SE project
Post by: LowRyter on March 31, 2016, 10:38:32 AM
So who was Dave's Cycles?  Maybe a restoration would be considered? 
Title: Re: My new Lemans SE project
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on March 31, 2016, 10:46:15 AM
So who was Dave's Cycles?  Maybe a restoration would be considered?

Dave Blue? Terry would know that one.
Title: Re: My new Lemans SE project
Post by: Groover on March 31, 2016, 10:49:33 AM
Any progress photos? Just wondering if you are done yet....  :angel:
Title: Re: My new Lemans SE project
Post by: LowRyter on March 31, 2016, 11:35:11 AM
Dave Blue? Terry would know that one.

My thinking was rather than a Dr Jon Replica why not Dave's Cycle resto(mod)?  The bike might have history all it's own.  ANd you could still trick it out with Dr J parts and stuff. 
Title: Re: My new Lemans SE project
Post by: kevdog3019 on March 31, 2016, 12:06:23 PM
My thinking was rather than a Dr Jon Replica why not Dave's Cycle resto(mod)?  The bike might have history all it's own.  ANd you could still trick it out with Dr J parts and stuff.
I like this idea.  Find the history and see what story you might tell for years to come.  I love doing the Dr. John stuff, but it looks like it was close to it anyhow... by appearance anyhow.  You might find exact.pics to go by with a little research through this Dave cat.  That would be a find.  Fun stuff. 
Title: Re: My new Lemans SE project
Post by: huub on March 31, 2016, 01:13:23 PM
that is a nice start of a project!
at least you can mod anything you want, you are not destroying a original classic
i built myself a ducati F1 , started with just the frame.
basically i can fit whatever suspension i want, no worries about originality.
Title: Re: My new Lemans SE project
Post by: Turin on March 31, 2016, 08:01:08 PM
Quote
My thinking was rather than a Dr Jon Replica why not Dave's Cycle resto(mod)?  The bike might have history all it's own.  ANd you could still trick it out with Dr J parts and stuff. 
I'm leaning that way now. Dave's Cycle was the local Ducati, Guzzi, Morini, and Triumph dealer . They also raced and this was Daves racebike until he switched to a 900SS.http://www.teamwreckless.com/home.html. I've known about this bike since about 1991. I'm not sure if I'd want to clear the tank of have it re-painted.
Title: Re: My new Lemans SE project
Post by: Turin on April 01, 2016, 09:21:30 PM
Forks! The bottom triple clamp will need some grinding.

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Title: Re: My new Lemans SE project
Post by: Antietam Classic Cycle on April 01, 2016, 09:59:38 PM
I like that fork brace. Would like one for mine...
Title: Re: My new Lemans SE project
Post by: ailgev on April 02, 2016, 01:34:21 AM
Looks Like Its Using An Earlier Short Head Frame, Not The Mk IV One.
Title: Re: My new Lemans SE project
Post by: Turin on April 02, 2016, 03:05:59 AM
The forks are currently on half of a 1980 G5 frame that was experimentally monoshocked and had the steering head geometry altered. That frame is going in the trash as soon as I get the forks off.
Title: Re: My new Lemans SE project
Post by: radguzzi on April 02, 2016, 07:18:24 AM
It could happen...

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_qpWtg6IvDLk/R59dgP96PlI/AAAAAAAABYQ/xqaiIQebd3U/s320/Dr+John+MotoGuzzi+resz.jpg)

Title: Re: My new Lemans SE project
Post by: Tom on April 02, 2016, 04:15:43 PM
Dave and Kathy use to own Dave's Cycles in Mesa.  I bought my Daytona 1000 from them. They sold it and the owner that bought the dealership is/was not a customer service type person.  Last time I saw them I had lunch with them near their home in Queen Creek.  Kathy use to be the "monkey" when they use to race sidecars.  Buffalo, NY area IIRC.
Title: Re: My new Lemans SE project
Post by: Turin on May 07, 2016, 01:08:20 AM
I'm going to start this to document my progress. Motor and tranny have been checked, clutch and plates like new. Fresh paint on drivetrain!
Engine is 78 x 94, X7cam, major port work, lightweight flywheel.

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Title: Re: My new Lemans SE project
Post by: Old Jock on May 07, 2016, 03:35:13 AM
Stealth job?

Looking forward to watching it take shape

John
Title: Re: My new Lemans SE project
Post by: Antietam Classic Cycle on May 07, 2016, 08:58:08 AM
 :popcorn:
Title: Re: My new Lemans SE project
Post by: Stevex on May 07, 2016, 12:27:12 PM
Turin, you need to sort out your camera's focal / macro settings.
Title: Re: My new Lemans SE project
Post by: Turin on August 29, 2016, 10:13:40 PM
Frames ready.

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Title: Re: My new Lemans SE project
Post by: Scud on August 29, 2016, 10:22:26 PM
Sweet!!  What paint did you use? and are you happy enough that you would use it again?

Looking forward to following along with the project.
Title: Re: My new Lemans SE project
Post by: Turin on August 29, 2016, 10:47:16 PM
Powder coat. I suck at painting.
Title: Re: My new Lemans SE project
Post by: Scud on August 29, 2016, 11:09:58 PM
I'm a fan of powdercoat too.

I should have been more specific - you mentioned paint on drivetrain. I assume you painted the engine, tranny, etc. That's what I was curious about.
Title: Re: My new Lemans SE project
Post by: Turin on August 29, 2016, 11:26:54 PM
Oh, rustoleum 2X.
Title: Re: My new Lemans SE project
Post by: Groover on August 30, 2016, 07:29:41 AM
If you get bored with the project, I'll take that engine  :azn:
Title: Re: My new Lemans SE project
Post by: canuck750 on August 30, 2016, 08:56:46 AM
Nice, thanks for posting

Jim
Title: Re: My new Lemans SE project
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on August 30, 2016, 02:51:25 PM
Need I say I really like project threads?  :smiley:  :popcorn:
Title: Re: My new Lemans SE project
Post by: Tom on August 30, 2016, 03:35:49 PM
With the frame painted that color.  What are doing the body work in? and are you keeping the swallow tail look?  Looks good so far.
Title: Re: My new Lemans SE project
Post by: Turin on August 30, 2016, 08:53:28 PM
Swan tail.. check but solo seat only. Since it is an SE, the bodywork will be white with red accents.
Tom, did you ever hear this thing run back in the day?
Title: Re: My new Lemans SE project
Post by: Tom on August 31, 2016, 02:23:34 PM
I have a '87 SE with 16" front wheel.  It has a Bub exhaust system on it.  Sounds pretty good. 

Biggest problem, I had was with the right accelerator pump.  The factory setting had it squirting too much gas.  I found this out by chance.  Took awhile to find this out.  Rebuilt the carbs 3 times.  Checked the complete ignition system 4 times.  I really wanted to punch Guido in the face.

The other problem, that has plagued this model is the triple trees.  Check for cracks.  Not sure why.  Maybe the metal used in them or Guido tried to save some pennies for the parts.  This is/was the problem that showed with the 16" wheel up front. IMO.  Anyone can correct.

I don't have the 16" handling problem that was with most others.  My '89 LeMans V has the 18" front wheel otherwise the same bike as the '87 LeMans IV SE.
Title: Re: My new Lemans SE project
Post by: Antietam Classic Cycle on August 31, 2016, 02:53:36 PM

The other problem, that has plagued this model is the triple trees.  Check for cracks.  Not sure why.  Maybe the metal used in them or Guido tried to save some pennies for the parts.  This is/was the problem that showed with the 16" wheel up front. IMO.  Anyone can correct.


First I've heard of this "plague". <shrug>
Title: Re: My new Lemans SE project
Post by: Tom on August 31, 2016, 05:49:28 PM
The perceived problem that people have said with the SE was the 16" wheel.  Turns out the triple trees were the problem.
Title: Re: My new Lemans SE project
Post by: Antietam Classic Cycle on August 31, 2016, 07:42:37 PM
The only triple tree "issue" I've heard of was the '85 version vs. later ones. In '86 they changed the offset, increasing trail and slowing the steering a bit. The material changed too - from nicely cast aluminum to roughly cast steel/iron. Never heard of either cracking.

The later type was supplied as an "update" kit to anyone with an '85 that wanted it.

Edit: Guzziology agrees with the above and says that "Later ('86-on) bikes again had aluminum clamps but of the revised dimensions".   
Title: Re: My new Lemans SE project
Post by: Tom on September 01, 2016, 03:40:08 PM
The only triple tree "issue" I've heard of was the '85 version vs. later ones. In '86 they changed the offset, increasing trail and slowing the steering a bit. The material changed too - from nicely cast aluminum to roughly cast steel/iron. Never heard of either cracking.

The later type was supplied as an "update" kit to anyone with an '85 that wanted it.

Edit: Guzziology agrees with the above and says that "Later ('86-on) bikes again had aluminum clamps but of the revised dimensions".

Maybe that's the "problem" for the 16" wheel and by the time it was corrected, the "bad handling" label got tied to the bike.
Title: Re: My new Lemans SE project
Post by: Tom on September 01, 2016, 04:10:22 PM
I got the triple trees covered.
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Very nice! :thumb:
Title: Re: My new Lemans SE project
Post by: Turin on September 17, 2016, 12:52:39 AM

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Title: Re: My new Lemans SE project
Post by: Turin on October 15, 2016, 09:33:39 PM
powder coated factory 16" & 18" wheels. She will have no problem stopping!
(http://thumb.ibb.co/dmfaRF/wheel_with_caliper_and_rotor.jpg) (http://ibb.co/dmfaRF)

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Title: Re: My new Lemans SE project
Post by: Old Jock on October 16, 2016, 04:36:35 AM
Good grief what size of rotors are these?   :grin:

I know the 16" wheel will make them appear even bigger, but when I look at my 320s on an 18" wheel they look miniscule compared with these

Can you get the caliper on and off without removing the rotor? Might be tight once lines are installed

Watching with interest........... .........nice work Turin

John
Title: Re: My new Lemans SE project
Post by: dblue on October 16, 2016, 08:42:29 AM
 Is that the Dave's Cycle racer?
Title: Re: My new Lemans SE project
Post by: Turin on October 16, 2016, 10:43:20 AM
This is  the Daves Cycle racebike.
 The rotors are NOS 300mm that were part of the old upgrade kit for the 18" wheel conversion. http://www.dropbears.com/s/sda/p62.htm
Calipers are Harrison billet 6 piston that I scored off of E-bay several years ago.
Title: Re: My new Lemans SE project
Post by: dblue on October 16, 2016, 11:25:14 AM
Dave Hull and I raced that bike in a four hour at phx int, in 1993. Pretty potent motor as I recall. Back then all 3 brakes were on the front master, with a chyrsler adjustable proportioning vavle for the rear.
I was never so sore, after riding that thins for a couple hours.
Glad you are restoring it.
Title: Re: My new Lemans SE project
Post by: Turin on October 16, 2016, 02:05:44 PM
Dave, how cool is it that you raced this thing! I got it in pieces, and a lot is/was missing. I am putting back as much of the original pieces as possible (as raced). Tom Hull is adding a lot of his input into the build. He's going to build a 2-1 exhaust system.
Title: Re: My new Lemans SE project
Post by: Tom on October 16, 2016, 04:37:57 PM
 :thumb:
Title: Re: My new Lemans SE project
Post by: dblue on October 16, 2016, 05:37:08 PM
That SE was built by Lance Baker, who at the time worked for moto america, the importer, at that time.
the exhaust was a rennsprt 2-1-2, but dave made a2into 1 out of it. for ground clearance.
originally a battle of twins racer.
Title: Re: My new Lemans SE project
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on October 16, 2016, 06:35:22 PM
It's a small world, indeed, when you are fooling around with Guzzis.. :smiley: :boozing:
Title: Re: My new Lemans SE project
Post by: Old Jock on October 17, 2016, 05:49:46 AM
Thanks for the info Turin

Still cannot get over how large they look on the wheel

I've got 6 pots ISRs on my Magni 1000 & they are awesome, I love being able to haul off speed with light 2 fingered action, reckon those will be the same

Looking forward to seeing it going together

John
Title: Re: My new Lemans SE project
Post by: dblue on October 17, 2016, 11:25:01 AM
Most of the work was done at Dave's Cycle Circus, in mesa.
I worked there, and Lance was a guzzi rep., but worked part time for Dave, to fund his racing habit.
Title: Re: My new Lemans SE project
Post by: Tom on October 17, 2016, 01:34:52 PM
When did you work there?  I bought my '93 Daytona 1000 from him and Kathy in '94.  I lived in Mesa till '80.
Title: Re: My new Lemans SE project
Post by: dblue on October 17, 2016, 02:58:49 PM
worked there 1988 til early 1993 off and on. went to work for importer in late ;93.
Title: Re: My new Lemans SE project
Post by: Tom on October 17, 2016, 03:05:20 PM
We probably crossed paths.
Title: Re: My new Lemans SE project
Post by: Tom on October 17, 2016, 08:44:37 PM
Y'ep.  They came out here on a cruise ship, spent lunch time with them.  Last time I was out in Queen Creek, Dave let me drive his Mini Cooper.
Title: Re: My new Lemans SE project
Post by: Turin on November 19, 2016, 12:39:23 AM
The bike is coming along, Dave saw it and wants to take her out for another ride when she's done! Hell ya that's going to happen! Too cool!

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FYI, that is NOT how the exhaust will be routed.
Title: Re: My new Lemans SE project
Post by: Scud on November 19, 2016, 08:24:01 AM
That's coming together really well, thanks for updating. Those triple clamps are be-you-T-FULL.

The exhaust looks great how you have it - maybe you should just buy some heat-proof boots.  :grin:
Title: Re: My new Lemans SE project
Post by: Tom on November 19, 2016, 10:57:20 AM
Are you repainting the tank too?  I'd ride it around like that but not my bike.   :angel:
Title: Re: My new Lemans SE project
Post by: Turin on November 19, 2016, 01:00:56 PM
There will be a full re-paint. White with red.
Title: Re: My new Lemans SE project
Post by: ritratto on November 19, 2016, 01:29:42 PM
You are going to set your ankles on fire with that exhaust configuration.
Title: Re: My new Lemans SE project
Post by: Tom on November 19, 2016, 05:28:44 PM
Tank white or red?
Title: Re: My new Lemans SE project
Post by: Turin on November 19, 2016, 07:44:51 PM
Mostly white with red accents and lettering.I want to see it with the tail section and fairing  before I finalize anything.
Title: Re: My new Lemans SE project
Post by: Tom on November 19, 2016, 08:03:24 PM
 :thumb:
Title: Re: My new Lemans SE project
Post by: Turin on December 10, 2016, 03:23:55 AM
Mock up for the Stucchi LeMans fairing is set up and the exhaust is next to be built.  There is a long way to go, but it is starting to look like a bike.

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Title: Re: My new Lemans SE project
Post by: Rick4003 on December 15, 2016, 03:42:35 AM
 :thumb:
Looks good! You have to post a video for us when you are finished! :grin:

-Ulrik
Title: Re: My new Lemans SE project
Post by: Groover on December 15, 2016, 07:41:08 AM
I'm liking the looks of the tail piece. Custom?
Title: Re: My new Lemans SE project
Post by: Turin on December 16, 2016, 09:00:36 PM
Very early bimota
Title: Re: My new Lemans SE project
Post by: oldbike54 on December 16, 2016, 09:11:29 PM
 Not easy to resurrect an old race bike  :bow:

 Dusty
Title: Re: My new Lemans SE project
Post by: Turin on December 16, 2016, 11:54:07 PM
Thanks Dusty, but It's not too bad when you buy that ex-racebike from the man who built and raced it, and his son is heavily involved in building it again . I could not do this by myself and ever hope to ride it .
 
Dave was racing this bike when I met him at his dealership when I was enrolling in college. He's the reason my first bike was a Guzzi.
He thought I would do something cool with it and he wanted his storage container cleaned out. 


Title: Re: My new Lemans SE project
Post by: Turin on February 25, 2017, 12:45:42 AM
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Title: Re: My new Lemans SE project
Post by: Fnq1000 on April 13, 2017, 05:51:09 PM
Hi Turin
Thanks for sharing your project. I love the Stucchi fairing, how did you come across it?

Seeing that you are not aiming for a concours restoration, aesthetically a 1100 Sport carb fuel tank might be the icing on the cake? Surely you have one in your cornucopia of parts (envious of your workspace)

Cheers
Jason
Title: Re: My new Lemans SE project
Post by: Turin on April 13, 2017, 11:28:45 PM
Not my workspace, I've got a little two car garage ( which I'm grateful for btw) The build is happening at the local Ducati builders shop. His dad raced it back in the day (so did he a couple of times). I bring the parts and, he makes it work. The original tank will be mildly modified and go on the bike. Right now it's getting wired.
Title: Re: My new Lemans SE project
Post by: Denis on April 14, 2017, 08:36:21 AM
Good luck putting air in that front tire!!!!

powder coated factory 16" & 18" wheels. She will have no problem stopping!
(http://thumb.ibb.co/dmfaRF/wheel_with_caliper_and_rotor.jpg) (http://ibb.co/dmfaRF)


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Title: Re: My new Lemans SE project
Post by: canuck750 on April 14, 2017, 08:55:01 PM
I really like the exhaust, nice work  :bow:

You are creating a very cool bike, nice attention to detail!
Title: Re: My new Lemans SE project
Post by: Turin on May 20, 2017, 01:38:13 AM
The video sucks, but it's my first attempt at youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcN_gJHL6fs[/url
The Gent doing the work is Tom Hull of Tom's Italian Tune and Service.  (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcN_gJHL6fs)
Title: Re: My new Lemans SE project
Post by: Groover on May 22, 2017, 08:20:44 AM
The video sucks, but it's my first attempt at youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcN_gJHL6fs[/url
The Gent doing the work is Tom Hull of Tom's Italian Tune and Service.
 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcN_gJHL6fs)

Sounds real nice! Thanks for posting the video.
Title: Re: My new Lemans SE project
Post by: Turin on June 03, 2017, 02:07:49 AM
I won't have anything to add for a while, so this is where it stops for now.

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Title: Re: My new Lemans SE project
Post by: Antietam Classic Cycle on June 03, 2017, 09:06:25 AM
Looks great!
Title: Re: My Lemans SE project thread
Post by: groundhog105 on June 06, 2017, 11:12:02 PM
What size FCRs are those and what throttle and cables are you using.  I'm considering using those on my LM5
Title: Re: My Lemans SE project thread
Post by: Turin on June 07, 2017, 09:35:41 PM
FCR 41's. Sudco and Power Barn sell a kit for the 1100 sport.

I went his route because:
A - this engine was modified with a big bore kit and racing cam and other fun stuff, I figure racing carbs are appropriate.
B- there were no carbs included when I brought home my giant basket case. I'd have went with Del'lortos if I had a set.

The left side carb linkage has issues clearing the tank so the tank is going to need a slight recess. Left side air filter will get squished by the frame.
Title: Re: My Lemans SE project thread
Post by: groundhog105 on June 08, 2017, 09:11:29 PM
Thanks for the info.  That motor sounds great. 
Title: Re: My new Lemans SE project
Post by: Groover on June 14, 2017, 07:35:18 AM
Forks!
(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg138/Turin_photos/lemans%20se%20and%20spares/100_0760_zpsav9z6sa9.jpg) (http://s247.photobucket.com/user/Turin_photos/media/lemans%20se%20and%20spares/100_0760_zpsav9z6sa9.jpg.html)

Do you have any information on that fork brace/fender mount? Looking for something like that to replace my factory one.
Title: Re: My Lemans SE project thread
Post by: Turin on June 14, 2017, 10:32:03 PM
They may have had in made. This bike was built pre-internet and a lot of the stuff was done in house (very evident by looking at the lower triple clamp  :grin:).
Title: Re: My Lemans SE project thread
Post by: Turin on April 07, 2018, 12:26:58 AM
A few updates. Caliper brackets made, brake lines attached, Wiring done, and seat subframe is built. still some work to be done on the seat itself. Windscreen also needs some shaping.

(http://thumb.ibb.co/mcozbc/20180406_201307_resized.jpg) (http://ibb.co/mcozbc)

image bbcode (http://imgbb.com/)


(http://thumb.ibb.co/gyQCwc/4_6_18_2.jpg) (http://ibb.co/gyQCwc)

russian image upload (http://imgbb.com/)

(http://thumb.ibb.co/ndh9bc/4_6_18_3.jpg) (http://ibb.co/ndh9bc)
Title: Re: My Lemans SE project thread
Post by: Turin on April 29, 2018, 01:20:26 PM
Fairing fits with the 2-1 pipe. Hopeful that the heat wrap will keep the paint from bubbling.

(https://thumb.ibb.co/ihS4zH/20180428_222350_resized.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ihS4zH)


(https://thumb.ibb.co/nJxCKH/20180428_222410_resized.jpg) (https://ibb.co/nJxCKH)
Title: Re: My Lemans SE project thread
Post by: Turin on April 29, 2018, 01:25:47 PM
Almost ready for paint. taped off where the color separations will be.

(https://thumb.ibb.co/dq9gDc/20180428_213313_resized.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dq9gDc)


(https://thumb.ibb.co/gqdf6x/20180428_211612.jpg) (https://ibb.co/gqdf6x)
Title: Re: My Lemans SE project thread
Post by: twowings on April 29, 2018, 03:13:51 PM
Fairing fits with the 2-1 pipe. Hopeful that the heat wrap will keep the paint from bubbling.

(https://thumb.ibb.co/ihS4zH/20180428_222350_resized.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ihS4zH)


(https://thumb.ibb.co/nJxCKH/20180428_222410_resized.jpg) (https://ibb.co/nJxCKH)


Ride fast so the airflow will cool things down!  :evil:
Title: Re: My Lemans SE project thread
Post by: Turin on August 27, 2018, 11:25:11 PM
Primer / basecoat

(https://thumb.ibb.co/k2OKQ9/2564.jpg) (https://ibb.co/k2OKQ9)


(https://thumb.ibb.co/kELSCp/2561.jpg) (https://ibb.co/kELSCp)


(https://thumb.ibb.co/jun7Cp/2562.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jun7Cp)


(https://thumb.ibb.co/n40cCp/2563.jpg) (https://ibb.co/n40cCp)


Title: Re: My Lemans SE project thread
Post by: Turin on August 27, 2018, 11:31:07 PM
The White-

(https://thumb.ibb.co/ncxSdU/2633.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ncxSdU)


(https://thumb.ibb.co/npOHdU/2632.jpg) (https://ibb.co/npOHdU)
Title: Re: My Lemans SE project thread
Post by: Groover on August 28, 2018, 08:43:20 AM
This is going to look fantastic :bow:
Title: Re: My Lemans SE project thread
Post by: Turin on September 08, 2018, 03:48:40 PM
Second color. Clear goes on next.
(https://thumb.ibb.co/jgbFS9/2722.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jgbFS9)

(https://thumb.ibb.co/i3BM0U/2726.jpg) (https://ibb.co/i3BM0U)
Title: Re: My Lemans SE project thread
Post by: Groover on September 09, 2018, 10:31:03 AM
Keeping the SE colors in the design scheme, well played  :thumb: 
Title: Re: My Lemans SE project thread
Post by: Turin on October 13, 2018, 03:31:47 AM
Latest and almost done.

(https://thumb.ibb.co/iPigDp/20181012-220817.jpg) (https://ibb.co/iPigDp)


(https://thumb.ibb.co/eZ5NKU/20181012-220912-resized.jpg) (https://ibb.co/eZ5NKU)


(https://thumb.ibb.co/cWYWDp/20181012-220729.jpg) (https://ibb.co/cWYWDp)
Title: Re: My Lemans SE project thread
Post by: Dave Swanson on October 13, 2018, 05:49:09 AM
The paint looks great!!
Title: Re: My Lemans SE project thread
Post by: bigbikerrick on October 13, 2018, 02:47:47 PM
that bike looks stunning! I love the tail. What are you going to do for side covers?  :thumb:
Rick.
Title: Re: My Lemans SE project thread
Post by: Turin on October 20, 2018, 09:07:56 PM
No Sidecovers, no idea of anything that will look right.

Here is a front Fairing shot.


(https://thumb.ibb.co/h0CGBL/20181020-160359-resized.jpg) (https://ibb.co/h0CGBL)
Title: Re: My Lemans SE project thread
Post by: canuck750 on October 20, 2018, 09:42:27 PM
Beautiful paint work, it's going to be a stunner! :thumb:
Title: Re: My Lemans SE project thread
Post by: Huzo on October 20, 2018, 11:27:53 PM
Beautifully conceived and executed..
Well balanced look, more than what can be said for some..
Will you have any small green accents to the colour scheme..?
Title: Re: My Lemans SE project thread
Post by: Turin on October 21, 2018, 01:13:07 AM
Only green will be the exposed coils. This was race bike back in the day and want to retain some of that flavor.

BTW the center stand is going away.


(https://thumb.ibb.co/gLUVo0/20181020-160021-resized.jpg) (https://ibb.co/gLUVo0)
Title: Re: My Lemans SE project thread
Post by: Turin on October 30, 2018, 11:53:10 PM
I got some pictures of the SE being ridden in anger back in the day. ( Rider - Dave Hull, owner Dave's Cycle Service)


(https://thumb.ibb.co/cKps7f/lemans-SE-Racing.jpg) (https://ibb.co/cKps7f)


(https://thumb.ibb.co/bTWpnf/Lemans-Racing-3.jpg) (https://ibb.co/bTWpnf)


(https://thumb.ibb.co/i9buL0/Lemans-Racing-2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/i9buL0)
Title: Re: My Lemans SE project thread
Post by: Huzo on October 31, 2018, 06:31:07 AM
In that bottom shot, the track looks as greasy as a butchers dick.
Is it an abberation in the camera or a light trick ?
Title: Re: My Lemans SE project thread
Post by: Turin on October 31, 2018, 09:45:53 AM
The pic is 20+ years old. Digital pic of an analog
Photo.  Probably reflection or stain.
I do not have the originals.
Title: Re: My Lemans SE project thread
Post by: Groover on October 31, 2018, 01:52:15 PM
From those photos, it's probably safe to say that Le Mans 1000 doesn't has any handling issues  :thumb:

Thanks for posting them.
Title: Re: My Lemans SE project thread
Post by: Rick4003 on November 01, 2018, 03:44:12 PM
I have to chime in with the other guys, the paint looks fantastic! And so does the rest of the bike. Love the old racing photos. Makes me want to build my spare frame into a race bike! :)

Have you been riding it yet? No ride report as far as I can see, which brand are your mirrors and how do you like them? I need something similar for mine. I don't like not having mirrors but also don't like the cheap bugeye mirrors I bought for the MOT.

-Ulrik
Title: Re: My Lemans SE project thread
Post by: Groover on November 01, 2018, 04:01:01 PM
I'm liking the swanky suede seat. That should grip in seat nicely!
Title: Re: My Lemans SE project thread
Post by: Turin on November 02, 2018, 12:27:25 AM
Mirrors are CRG. I haven't ridden it yet, because it's not quite done. Bracket to fabricate, Windscreen to trim, Bolts to check /Torque etc. I was going to wait until the lower fairing is attached and post final pics, but someone already put pictures on facebook so screw it. As she is now.

(https://thumb.ibb.co/ikeQXf/IMG-0017.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ikeQXf)


(https://thumb.ibb.co/fa0ok0/IMG-0009.jpg) (https://ibb.co/fa0ok0)


(https://thumb.ibb.co/eohJk0/20181029-155534-resized.jpg) (https://ibb.co/eohJk0)


(https://thumb.ibb.co/bMLtJL/20181029-155550-resized.jpg) (https://ibb.co/bMLtJL)


(https://thumb.ibb.co/gmpvyL/20180406-201307-resized.jpg) (https://ibb.co/gmpvyL)
Title: Re: My Lemans SE project thread
Post by: canuck750 on November 02, 2018, 07:36:18 PM
Great color scheme. It looks damn fast standing still!
Title: Re: My Lemans SE project thread - Finished !!!
Post by: Turin on November 06, 2018, 08:02:54 PM
All Done . Short test ride tonight, was taken by surprise by the torque of this thing. Front wheel came up and gave me a little scare.
Will give her a real test out this weekend.

(https://thumb.ibb.co/mMwASq/20181106-165801-resized.jpg) (https://ibb.co/mMwASq)


(https://thumb.ibb.co/jXqtfA/20181106-170237-resized.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jXqtfA)


(https://thumb.ibb.co/k6LFtV/20181106-165946-resized.jpg) (https://ibb.co/k6LFtV)


(https://thumb.ibb.co/nL8ULA/20181106-165753-resized.jpg) (https://ibb.co/nL8ULA)

Title: Re: My Lemans SE project thread - Finished !!!
Post by: Antietam Classic Cycle on November 06, 2018, 08:17:58 PM
 :thumb: :thumb:
Title: Re: My Lemans SE project thread - Finished !!!
Post by: canuck750 on November 06, 2018, 11:02:47 PM
BEAUTIFUL   :thumb: :thumb:
Title: Re: My Lemans SE project thread - Finished !!!
Post by: Groover on November 07, 2018, 08:18:12 AM
That looks great, nice job! You had a lot work to do on this one and it's been fun following your progress. Thanks for the thread  :bow:
Title: Re: My Lemans SE project thread - Finished !!!
Post by: Huzo on November 07, 2018, 01:57:05 PM
That looks great, nice job! You had a lot work to do on this one and it's been fun following your progress. Thanks for the thread  :bow:
Damn right..!
Title: Re: My Lemans SE project thread - Finished !!!
Post by: TRw1 on November 08, 2018, 06:07:04 AM
Great thread and build.  Good luck with it.  Looks beautiful.
Title: Re: My Lemans SE project thread - Finished !!!
Post by: bodine99 on November 12, 2018, 02:06:28 PM
Stunning!!! Must be fast cause it has some serious brakes. LOL
Title: Re: My Lemans SE project thread - Finished !!!
Post by: Turin on November 12, 2018, 09:59:53 PM
Went for a hour long blitz Saturday night. I learned a couple of things. The charging system is not working. 45 minutes in the lights started really dimming, and I didn't dare let her stall, there is no way I could push start this thing. Rear shocks are set too stiff, any road irregularities upset the chassis. All fixable.

Brakes are awesome. I appreciate braking more than I do horsepower. The Harrison Billet 6 calipers with the Foating Brembo rotors and Brembo radial master cylinder provide one finger braking. Tom converted the rear disc to fully floating.

The seat is a stock lemans 1000 including plastic pan with the back cut off and attached to the rear duck tail. Semi stock riding position.

The engine is pulls hard everywhere to 8,000 rpm. Not so hot for low speed tiddling though.
Title: Re: My Lemans SE project thread - Finished !!!
Post by: flapjack on November 16, 2018, 01:22:50 PM
Turin,

Bike looks great, nice addition to your fleet.  What tipe of side stand is on the bike?

Jack
Title: Re: My Lemans SE project thread - Finished !!!
Post by: Turin on November 16, 2018, 06:41:47 PM
 Brown sidestand. Available here - https://boxerworks.org/products/custom-brown-side-stand-for-tonti-frame-moto-guzzi-custom-moto-guzzi-kickstand (https://boxerworks.org/products/custom-brown-side-stand-for-tonti-frame-moto-guzzi-custom-moto-guzzi-kickstand)
Title: Re: My Lemans SE project thread - Finished !!!
Post by: flapjack on November 17, 2018, 10:44:25 AM
Thanks

Jack
Title: Re: My Lemans SE project thread - Finished !!!
Post by: mcdammitt on December 10, 2018, 03:58:07 PM
Very nice, those brakes are awesome looking
Title: Re: My Lemans SE project thread - Finished !!!
Post by: Turin on March 02, 2019, 11:54:49 PM
Still working the bugs out. The gas tank developed a leak up top there the new panel was welded in for the recessed filler. My painter is a great guy and repaired it at no charge ( not his fault at all) The alternator that was installed was bad.  I had two other spares. Still shaking her down and finding loose bits that need tightening. The exhaust nuts came loose causing a big exhaust leak that made the bike run poorly and blue flames to shoot out the exhaust. not fun when your foot is next to the end of the tailpipe.

On the positives, she's a total monster that wants to lift the front wheel up in first, and this has the close ratio ZD tranny with that tall 1st gear. Handling with the 16" front is great as long as there is enough air in the tires.
 
(https://i.ibb.co/hLy1k7g/20190302-152945.jpg) (https://ibb.co/hLy1k7g)
Title: Re: My Lemans SE project thread - Kinda Finished !!!
Post by: twowings on March 03, 2019, 08:11:44 AM
You can be very proud of that one!  :thumb:
Title: Re: My Lemans SE project thread - Kinda Finished !!!
Post by: SED on March 04, 2019, 11:32:59 PM
Great looking bike Turin   :thumb:

Sounds like a real beast - and fun!
Title: Re: My Lemans SE project thread - Kinda Finished !!!
Post by: Groover on June 20, 2019, 07:37:26 AM
Turin, I came across a video on youtube the other day, almost 100% sure it's your bike during the rebuild phase. Sounded very good, and had sort of a clean "whistle" sound when giving it throttle.. what is doing that, the exhaust or the carbs? Love it!
Title: Re: My Lemans SE project thread - Kinda Finished !!!
Post by: Turin on June 20, 2019, 10:31:23 PM
Really crappy video that's sideways?

The guy adjusting the idle is Tom Hull (Toms Italian tune and Service)  It was hid dad's ( Dave ) racebike.

The whistling noise is actually the gear whine from the front of the engine. You don't here it as much now due to the fairing.  To appreciate it, you have to here it under load. Yowsa!
Title: Re: My Lemans SE project thread - Kinda Finished !!!
Post by: Groover on June 21, 2019, 07:51:51 AM
Yes, that is the video (sideways) - I can't seem to find it again. So those are the timing gears (instead of the chain)? Sounds very smooth overall, nice engine!
Title: Re: My Lemans SE project thread - Done
Post by: Turin on October 25, 2020, 01:37:48 AM
Long term update. lots of tuning adjustments have had to be made. She finally starts easily and idles. FCR carbs are a PITA and the big cam and high compression don't help. I'm contemplating changing up the exhaust.
She is fast and the lessons learned on this one will carry over to her sister, the Raceco Sidlow bike.
Title: Re: My Lemans SE project thread - Done
Post by: Groover on October 25, 2020, 11:41:45 AM
That exhaust does seem a little short, are you considering going back to duals? If staying 2-1, I'd consider a "Thunderheader" off a Harley setup with an actual functional reverse cone, but you'd have to modify it of course. Probably the shorter ones used on the dyna or sportster model would probably be even better because it's closer in cc. I had a Harley a long time ago, and tried a ton of exhausts at the time, until I was pleased with the tone and performance of that particular exhaust. It actually made a difference and performance increase was real unlike others that were just noise.

Here is some info on them:
http://www.thunderheader.net/tech.php (http://www.thunderheader.net/tech.php)

Thanks for the update and good luck!
Title: Re: My Lemans SE project thread - Done
Post by: Turin on October 25, 2020, 12:25:16 PM

(https://i.ibb.co/P1XZPrX/megaphone1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/P1XZPrX)


I'm thinking duals. I have these bub verlicchi replicas.
Title: Re: My Lemans SE project thread - Done
Post by: Turin on January 17, 2021, 11:10:36 PM
Here's a Video

warning it's loud.  :grin:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/tltpqjtqggatjcz/20210117_171607.mp4?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/tltpqjtqggatjcz/20210117_171607.mp4?dl=0)
Title: Re: My Lemans SE project thread - Done
Post by: Tom on January 18, 2021, 01:22:36 AM
 :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
Title: Re: My Lemans SE project thread - Done
Post by: Canuck750 on January 18, 2021, 10:45:07 AM
Fantastic  :bow:
Title: Re: My Lemans SE project thread - Done
Post by: Dave Swanson on January 18, 2021, 05:38:04 PM
Excellent!  Love it. 
Title: Re: My Lemans SE project thread - Done
Post by: Groover on January 19, 2021, 04:31:36 PM
Great video, the bike sounds mean!