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Title: fuel pump is now pumping on my 2000 moto guzzi
Post by: troyhamilton on March 11, 2019, 05:32:24 PM
fuel pump isnt pumping. i tryed jumpimg it. no such luck. looked on ebay theres chinese pumps for 20.00...but i may have one at work. maybe 2 ...
Title: Re: fuel pump isnt pumping on my 2002 moto guzzi
Post by: Kiwi_Roy on March 11, 2019, 06:38:14 PM
Pull out the pump relay and poke a wire in from 30 to 87, you shouldn't need the key on for that.
Make sure the petcock is opening, the pump will struggle if it has to suck through a non working petcock
If you refer to the schematic I attached earlier you will see the jumper will power the pump directly.
If you substitute a 10 Amp meter for the jumper it should draw about 4 Amps if it's spinning freely but significantly higher if the petcock is closed or the filter clogged.
Don't leave the power on if it doesn't spin, it may be gummed up.
Some people report freeing up the pump by squirting carb cleaner into it.

Once you get it to spin it can be left on for a while pumping fuel through the filter and pressure relief valve to circulate back to the pump. It runs 24/7 normally.

Another fault you may get is the commutator covered in varnish insulating the brushes, I have seen that before with a bike sitting for years, there's not a lot you can do but spray in carb cleaner and perhaps a thump on the bench with power on, if you can get it to motor at all it will soon flush itself.

If it's just plain jambed you might try alternating the battery leads to rock it back and forth, let it soak for a couple of days in carb cleaner.
Here's what you are dealing with.
(https://i.ibb.co/NSnpnBF/Guzzi-Pump.jpg)
Title: Re: fuel pump isnt pumping on my 2002 moto guzzi
Post by: troyhamilton on March 11, 2019, 07:26:26 PM
thanks again roy, i just dont have a lot of time and not a lotta cash...i hooked my battery directly to the pump and nothing.
Title: Re: fuel pump isnt pumping on my 2002 moto guzzi
Post by: fotoguzzi on March 11, 2019, 07:34:03 PM
Before you buy some China knockoff ..Try flushing it with carb cleaner as suggested above.
Title: Re: fuel pump isnt pumping on my 2002 moto guzzi
Post by: troyhamilton on March 11, 2019, 08:27:21 PM
yeah the china stuff was a joke...i may have a pump at work.
Title: Re: fuel pump isnt pumping on my 2002 moto guzzi
Post by: nsmith on March 13, 2019, 02:17:10 PM
I gotta think the pump has a place in the automotive world,with a much cheaper (guzzi content) part number.
Title: Re: fuel pump isnt pumping on my 2002 moto guzzi
Post by: troyhamilton on March 13, 2019, 02:31:51 PM
maybe someone knows of an allternitive from the auto world! no idea. ill look at work tommorow to see if we have one.
Title: Re: fuel pump isnt pumping on my 2002 moto guzzi
Post by: oldbike54 on March 13, 2019, 02:55:18 PM
 I looked everywhere for a replacement in the automotive world for a cheaper pump , someone did a write up in the old MGNOC newsletter about a pump that would work , no luck actually locating one . The *blue* pump from Quantum for $80.00 was the cheapest I could find , been running it now for about 15K miles with no issues . It is the fairly high pressure required that is the stumbling block with car pumps .

 Dusty
Title: Re: fuel pump isnt pumping on my 2002 moto guzzi
Post by: troyhamilton on March 13, 2019, 03:40:36 PM
yeah i hate thinking of using a chinese pump. hopefully i can find one at work.
if not ill try to revive mine.
Title: Re: fuel pump isnt pumping on my 2002 moto guzzi
Post by: guzzisteve on March 13, 2019, 05:48:20 PM
Here is an original Bosch that came on our bikes, CHEAP ENOUGH?

https://www.amazon.com/Bosch-0580464048-Electric-Fuel-Pump/dp/B000CEZQ94
Title: Re: fuel pump isnt pumping on my 2002 moto guzzi
Post by: steven c on March 13, 2019, 06:11:28 PM
 I'm having the same issue with a 98 EV that has been off the road for 8 years. So thank you for the info and links.Thats why this forum is a great resource . I have been pouring Sea Foam into the fuel line so far nothing. Carb cleaner next.
Title: Re: fuel pump isnt pumping on my 2002 moto guzzi
Post by: Kiwi_Roy on March 14, 2019, 08:36:55 AM
thanks again roy, i just dont have a lot of time and not a lotta cash...i hooked my battery directly to the pump and nothing.

This is pretty typical of a pump that's been sitting for a few years, I think the fuel inside evaporates to leave a layer of varnish on the commutator insulating the brushes (did it draw any current at all, spark when you touched the battery to the terminals?)
If you look at the pump drawing I posted the only way to get solvent inside is through the inlet. If you stand it on end and fill the pump with carb cleaner it just might break down the varnish enough to get some current flow then you could try rocking it back and forth by reversing the leads.

I bought an old Flying Brick in New Zealand it had a similar problem and my Bro KiwiKev managed to get it spinning again, never looked back.
Title: Re: fuel pump isnt pumping on my 2002 moto guzzi
Post by: flower_king001 on March 14, 2019, 08:57:21 AM
I'm having the same issue with a 98 EV that has been off the road for 8 years. So thank you for the info and links.Thats why this forum is a great resource . I have been pouring Sea Foam into the fuel line so far nothing. Carb cleaner next.

http://www.mgcycle.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=30&products_id=2491

$56 thru MGCycle

Title: Re: fuel pump isnt pumping on my 2002 moto guzzi
Post by: troyhamilton on March 14, 2019, 04:51:51 PM
we had one at work. boss gave it to me! but i work my tail off lol.
Title: Re: fuel pump isnt pumping on my 2002 moto guzzi
Post by: Charles in Lake Charles on March 14, 2019, 05:41:15 PM
Check eBay

https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-External-Inline-Fuel-Pump-Moto-Guzzi-V10-California-1100-Sport-Special/332048697075?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-External-Inline-Fuel-Pump-Moto-Guzzi-V10-California-1100-Sport-Special/332048697075?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649)
Title: Re: fuel pump isnt pumping on my 2002 moto guzzi
Post by: troyhamilton on March 14, 2019, 06:37:18 PM
I did see that. no i got a bosch from a box of guzzi parts my boss had for years. it runs
Title: Re: fuel pump isnt pumping on my 2002 moto guzzi
Post by: MattP on March 15, 2019, 12:58:56 PM
Troy I got a used pump from a bmw $15.00 free shipping one year warrenty. Still working fine. Same part no ect took at least 10 min to replace. Used car parts . com I think If any body wants my old one let me know free worked fine but leaked at crimped end . O ring I think. O 95 call external.      Matt
Title: Re: fuel pump isnt pumping on my 2002 moto guzzi
Post by: steven c on March 15, 2019, 01:51:01 PM
Check eBay

https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-External-Inline-Fuel-Pump-Moto-Guzzi-V10-California-1100-Sport-Special/332048697075?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-External-Inline-Fuel-Pump-Moto-Guzzi-V10-California-1100-Sport-Special/332048697075?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649)
$20 ? Buy two, keep one as a spare.
Title: Re: fuel pump isnt pumping on my 2000 moto guzzi
Post by: troyhamilton on March 15, 2019, 02:44:21 PM
i got another at work. lucky me. real bosch moto guzzi.
Title: Re: fuel pump isnt pumping on my 2000 moto guzzi
Post by: troyhamilton on March 16, 2019, 05:05:15 PM
and now its pumping...had leaks. couldnt get it ti run. getting spark at least. now to get it all figured out, not like my old gravity fed bikes!