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Title: Side Stand solution for V50 III
Post by: gallazblue on March 24, 2021, 11:12:21 AM
Hey everyone,

I just bought my first motorcycle a few weeks ago and I'm super excited.

I'm facing a problem with the side stand, I'd like to mid mount it, MGCycle is selling one for Tonti frames but I don't know if it would fit the V50.

Otherwise what would you recommend? Any other compatible stands ?

Thanks !
Title: Re: Side Stand solution for V50 III
Post by: guzzisteve on March 24, 2021, 01:43:34 PM
Don't know where you're at but if by Athens, GA ride over to Boxerworks and have Nathan make one custom. You'll have to modify anything going mid point.

https://boxerworks.org/collections/bmw-parts/products/custom-brown-side-stand-for-tonti-frame-moto-guzzi-custom-moto-guzzi-kickstand
Title: Re: Side Stand solution for V50 III
Post by: Tom on March 24, 2021, 02:34:53 PM
Your bike is light enough to use the center stand.  Guzzi content.  Cheaper solution.   :grin:
Title: Re: Side Stand solution for V50 III
Post by: moto on March 24, 2021, 02:37:02 PM
Hey everyone,

I just bought my first motorcycle a few weeks ago and I'm super excited.

I'm facing a problem with the side stand, I'd like to mid mount it, MGCycle is selling one for Tonti frames but I don't know if it would fit the V50.

Otherwise what would you recommend? Any other compatible stands ?

Thanks !

First, welcome to WildGuzzi! It's always great to have another European member! (I'm not one.)

The V50 frame is different from the early Tonti frame, but at least it's also composed of welded tubes. MG Cycle's kit is made from several parts that are also sold separately. You might be able to buy some or all of them and fabricate/modify what you need for your frame, or just buy the whole kit.

The kit's mounting plate to the frame is this piece (also available separately as part number 28434162):

(https://www.mgcycle.com/images/atrex/28434162_03.jpg)

It is made of 8mm thick steel, and is bent to mount the stand at an appropriate angle when fitted on a Lemans 1000. As I measure mine, mounted on my T3, using calipers, the two holes attaching to the frame are about 86mm apart, on-center. (Those are the two holes at the top and the right, as pictured.) You could check to see if you happen to find two suitable bolts the same distance apart on your V50. This seems unlikely.

It's conceivable you could modify the plate, or make a similar plate, but it probably wouldn't be easy.

That being done, you would still need to consider whether the angle and length of the side stand in the kit would work on your V50. Laid flat on a table, and viewed from above, the side stand itself is about 26cm long. The distance from the mounting hole to the ground, however, is only about 21cm, due to the various angles involved.

Nothing is impossible, they say. Good luck!

Moto
Title: Re: Side Stand solution for V50 III
Post by: TobyJug on March 24, 2021, 08:55:40 PM
Don't bother with the standard if it's the same as the V50II.  I never used mine unless I was stood next to it - way too small/close.
Title: Re: Side Stand solution for V50 III
Post by: stubbie on March 24, 2021, 09:00:50 PM
Try leg stretches. :thumb: Welcome to the club.
Title: Re: Side Stand solution for V50 III
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on March 25, 2021, 05:19:29 AM
after 8 years with a v65, I will say.. just use the center stand. the sidestand is worse than worthless.
Title: Re: Side Stand solution for V50 III
Post by: larrys on March 25, 2021, 08:15:49 AM
I modified the sidestand on Mrs. larrys' V50II. I think its the same one as the V50III. I moved the spring attachment pin on the frame so the stand wouldn't spring back on its own, and welded an extension to the pin on the stand so my missus could reach it with her foot while sitting on the bike. It worked pretty good. YMMV.
Larry
Title: Re: Side Stand solution for V50 III
Post by: guzzisteve on March 25, 2021, 09:28:34 AM
Another solution would be to put on L/H frame rail from a V7C . The newer rails have side stand back by pegs. I believe rails interchange like Tonti frames. Stuff don't change much.
Title: Re: Side Stand solution for V50 III
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on March 25, 2021, 11:07:50 AM
Another solution would be to put on L/H frame rail from a V7C . The newer rails have side stand back by pegs. I believe rails interchange like Tonti frames. Stuff don't change much.

If those fit and fix your sidestand issue, now you need exhaust hangers! LOL the small block sidestand is a tough nut to crack.
Title: Re: Side Stand solution for V50 III
Post by: moto on March 25, 2021, 05:28:57 PM
Another solution would be to put on L/H frame rail from a V7C . The newer rails have side stand back by pegs. I believe rails interchange like Tonti frames. Stuff don't change much.

The BBQ mayor has a good point (in the next post after the quoted one), but it looks to me like one could cut off the exhaust pipe hanger extension from the original frame rail and have it welded on to the V7 Classic replacement, judging from the spare parts manuals at https://www.thisoldtractor.com/mg_manuals/ (https://www.thisoldtractor.com/mg_manuals/). But the passenger peg may also be carried by that spar, so care would be needed. Getting both frame rails in hand would be necessary to decide whether this is possible, I expect. With a current price of the new rail at $272.06 (USD) from af1racing.com, this would not be a cheap proposition.

I think the OP has left the building, so this is only a speculative entertainment until someone really takes on such a project.

Moto




Title: Re: Side Stand solution for V50 III
Post by: Tom on March 25, 2021, 07:18:37 PM
All the tech talk on how to do it scared him away.   :grin: :grin:
Title: Re: Side Stand solution for V50 III
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on March 26, 2021, 06:02:03 AM
The BBQ mayor has a good point (in the next post after the quoted one), but it looks to me like one could cut off the exhaust pipe hanger extension from the original frame rail and have it welded on to the V7 Classic replacement, judging from the spare parts manuals at https://www.thisoldtractor.com/mg_manuals/ (https://www.thisoldtractor.com/mg_manuals/). But the passenger peg may also be carried by that spar, so care would be needed. Getting both frame rails in hand would be necessary to decide whether this is possible, I expect. With a current price of the new rail at $272.06 (USD) from af1racing.com, this would not be a cheap proposition.

I think the OP has left the building, so this is only a speculative entertainment until someone really takes on such a project.

Moto

If you are going to cut and weld, seems like cutting the head off a brown side stand and welding the head from your stock stand onto the Brown might be the way to go? I think I'll look into this
Title: Re: Side Stand solution for V50 III
Post by: moto on March 26, 2021, 10:03:04 AM
Gallazblue,

As you see, the answer is that it isn't easy to move the V50 sidestand.

Most riders find they can use the side stand well enough with practice. (It is thought that an ape was involved in the design.)

If you have trouble with the centerstand, you should ask for advice here.

I doubt that fear is responsible for your silence. More frustration at all the bother, I expect.

Again, welcome to the site! Many or even most participants here are eager to help. The V50 is widely regarded as an especially sweet-handling machine.

Moto


 



Title: Re: Side Stand solution for V50 III
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on March 26, 2021, 10:11:46 AM
The V50 is widely regarded as an especially sweet-handling machine.

This is true, the best thing you can do to that side stand is kick it up and twist the throttle. You wont think about it while you're riding!
Title: Re: Side Stand solution for V50 III
Post by: SLDMRossi on March 26, 2021, 08:17:25 PM
To confirm what's already been said...

When I got my V50, I went in search of an original Moto Guzzi factory sidestand. Some good $ later, I came up with a New-Old-Stock original. After installing it, I realized why the original was removed. It was just horrible...

Stick to the Center Stand...

Steven Rossi
Title: Re: Side Stand solution for V50 III
Post by: Tom on March 26, 2021, 08:28:03 PM
Either that or learn how to deploy the oem one from the saddle.  It might be easier leaning down and deploying it using you left hand.  This work for me on my Daytona 1000.
Title: Re: Side Stand solution for V50 III
Post by: SLDMRossi on March 27, 2021, 06:31:23 PM
No...the bike rolls right over the OEM one and falls down. At least when it comes to the V50...

SR
Title: Re: Side Stand solution for V50 III
Post by: guzzisteve on March 27, 2021, 07:00:54 PM
I get off the bike and deploy the stand, almost always since my 850T fell off in 76. If I can not perform this feat anymore I'll ride the sidecar rig.
Title: Re: Side Stand solution for V50 III
Post by: John A on March 30, 2021, 11:35:56 AM

(https://i.ibb.co/gWtPgVT/image.jpg) (https://ibb.co/gWtPgVT)

(https://i.ibb.co/Z26Cttf/image.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Z26Cttf)

(https://i.ibb.co/yVnDmns/image.jpg) (https://ibb.co/yVnDmns)

This is how I did one on a V65C. Works well. I made my own bracket that I welded on the frame along with floorboards from a Cal2. Sorry for the lateness, I had to find the pics and the password
Title: Re: Side Stand solution for V50 III
Post by: gallazblue on March 31, 2021, 02:18:56 PM
I modified the sidestand on Mrs. larrys' V50II. I think its the same one as the V50III. I moved the spring attachment pin on the frame so the stand wouldn't spring back on its own, and welded an extension to the pin on the stand so my missus could reach it with her foot while sitting on the bike. It worked pretty good. YMMV.
Larry

Thatís ingenious, great work !
Do you have any picture to illustrate it ? Would love to try it on mine :)
Title: Re: Side Stand solution for V50 III
Post by: gallazblue on March 31, 2021, 02:21:08 PM
First, welcome to WildGuzzi! It's always great to have another European member! (I'm not one.)

The V50 frame is different from the early Tonti frame, but at least it's also composed of welded tubes. MG Cycle's kit is made from several parts that are also sold separately. You might be able to buy some or all of them and fabricate/modify what you need for your frame, or just buy the whole kit.

The kit's mounting plate to the frame is this piece (also available separately as part number 28434162):

(https://www.mgcycle.com/images/atrex/28434162_03.jpg)

It is made of 8mm thick steel, and is bent to mount the stand at an appropriate angle when fitted on a Lemans 1000. As I measure mine, mounted on my T3, using calipers, the two holes attaching to the frame are about 86mm apart, on-center. (Those are the two holes at the top and the right, as pictured.) You could check to see if you happen to find two suitable bolts the same distance apart on your V50. This seems unlikely.

It's conceivable you could modify the plate, or make a similar plate, but it probably wouldn't be easy.

That being done, you would still need to consider whether the angle and length of the side stand in the kit would work on your V50. Laid flat on a table, and viewed from above, the side stand itself is about 26cm long. The distance from the mounting hole to the ground, however, is only about 21cm, due to the various angles involved.

Nothing is impossible, they say. Good luck!

Moto

Hey! Thank you first for the warm welcome, I feel like being part of a big family.

Iíve heard about someone moving the original side stand to the central stand position and welding it there, will do some tests this weekend, thank you for your answer !
Title: Re: Side Stand solution for V50 III
Post by: gallazblue on March 31, 2021, 02:33:06 PM
Hey everyone,

I wanted to first thank you all for the answers, I actually didn't have notifications turned on and just thought it wouldn't be an interesting topic.
What a surprise when I logged back!

I'm reading all the answers, and the -moving back and welding- the side stand seems like a great idea, I'll be trying it this week-end!

I'm glad I've join this -family- and I'll be eager to help or at least try to give part of my experience with my V50-3 in later posts.


Thank you again,

Enzo

(PS: Here is the V50-III we're looking a solution for, more photos coming soon!)

(https://i.ibb.co/D720PPM/IMG-1494.jpg) (https://ibb.co/D720PPM)
Title: Re: Side Stand solution for V50 III
Post by: gallazblue on March 31, 2021, 02:33:58 PM

(https://i.ibb.co/gWtPgVT/image.jpg) (https://ibb.co/gWtPgVT)

(https://i.ibb.co/Z26Cttf/image.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Z26Cttf)

(https://i.ibb.co/yVnDmns/image.jpg) (https://ibb.co/yVnDmns)

This is how I did one on a V65C. Works well. I made my own bracket that I welded on the frame along with floorboards from a Cal2. Sorry for the lateness, I had to find the pics and the password

Love it! That might be too much work for me, but it looks amazing. Thanks for the photos, I appreciate it.
Title: Re: Side Stand solution for V50 III
Post by: gallazblue on March 31, 2021, 02:37:27 PM
Gallazblue,

As you see, the answer is that it isn't easy to move the V50 sidestand.

Most riders find they can use the side stand well enough with practice. (It is thought that an ape was involved in the design.)

If you have trouble with the centerstand, you should ask for advice here.

I doubt that fear is responsible for your silence. More frustration at all the bother, I expect.

Again, welcome to the site! Many or even most participants here are eager to help. The V50 is widely regarded as an especially sweet-handling machine.

Moto

It was more about me not turning on the notification, I feel silly now haha.
Thank you, I'm glad I joined this amazing site.
Title: Re: Side Stand solution for V50 III
Post by: Tom on March 31, 2021, 02:48:57 PM
You can also weld an extension to the nub on the kickstand.  Take that rubber cap off and save it.  You could probably use it somewhere else on the bike.
Title: Re: Side Stand solution for V50 III
Post by: gallazblue on April 12, 2021, 11:02:52 AM
Hey everyone,

This might help some in the future : After some research, I've found that a side stand from a 2006 Kawasaki Z750 fits perfectly the V50 III, without any modification it's practically plug and play. I'll be soldering it to keep it future-proof but its pretty stable and goes perfectly as a mid-mount.


(https://i.ibb.co/KjCxc8t/IMG-1812.jpg) (https://ibb.co/KjCxc8t)

(https://i.ibb.co/Jx1KRyk/IMG-1813.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Jx1KRyk)

(https://i.ibb.co/vBWRf54/IMG-1815.jpg) (https://ibb.co/vBWRf54)
Title: Re: Side Stand solution for V50 III
Post by: Antietam Classic Cycle on April 12, 2021, 11:10:12 AM
Can you show a little more detail where it bolts to the frame?


(https://i.ibb.co/xsg1N8y/Screenshot-2021-04-12-2006-Kawasaki-Z750-S-ZR750-K6-F-Stand-S-Parts-Fish-com.png) (https://ibb.co/xsg1N8y)


Title: Re: Side Stand solution for V50 III
Post by: Tom on April 12, 2021, 05:19:59 PM
Hey everyone,

This might help some in the future : After some research, I've found that a side stand from a 2006 Kawasaki Z750 fits perfectly the V50 III, without any modification it's practically plug and play. I'll be soldering it to keep it future-proof but its pretty stable and goes perfectly as a mid-mount.


(https://i.ibb.co/KjCxc8t/IMG-1812.jpg) (https://ibb.co/KjCxc8t)

(https://i.ibb.co/Jx1KRyk/IMG-1813.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Jx1KRyk)

(https://i.ibb.co/vBWRf54/IMG-1815.jpg) (https://ibb.co/vBWRf54)


 :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:  Recycling other motorcycle parts for use on a Moto Guzzi.
Title: Re: Side Stand solution for V50 III
Post by: Scout63 on April 12, 2021, 09:25:25 PM
Welcome to the forum Enzo.  Sweet v50 but I liked it with the fairing more. Are you going to put it back on?

I just got used to my v50ii sidestand and only use it for short stints like when warming the bike up. I like the way it springs up out of the way when Iím ready to go.

Ben
Title: Re: Side Stand solution for V50 III
Post by: gallazblue on April 13, 2021, 02:08:18 AM
Can you show a little more detail where it bolts to the frame?


(https://i.ibb.co/xsg1N8y/Screenshot-2021-04-12-2006-Kawasaki-Z750-S-ZR750-K6-F-Stand-S-Parts-Fish-com.png) (https://ibb.co/xsg1N8y)


Yes sure!

You need first to take off the -ignition switch- part, and fix the side stand via the 92151 bolt, youíll need a longer bolt if you want to keep the central stand. Iíll post a picture but the left side of the stand locks perfectly with the frame, as I said a quick soldering point will make sure that it doesnít move in the future.
Title: Re: Side Stand solution for V50 III
Post by: gallazblue on April 13, 2021, 02:11:47 AM
:thumb: :thumb: :thumb:  Recycling other motorcycle parts for use on a Moto Guzzi.


Recycling and re-using is the way to go, if it doesnít exists, just make it yourself!
I went to my local scrapyard and spent an hour looking for one that would fit, pretty surprised this one was a perfect fit!
Title: Re: Side Stand solution for V50 III
Post by: gallazblue on April 13, 2021, 02:17:35 AM
Welcome to the forum Enzo.  Sweet v50 but I liked it with the fairing more. Are you going to put it back on?

I just got used to my v50ii sidestand and only use it for short stints like when warming the bike up. I like the way it springs up out of the way when Iím ready to go.

Ben

Thank you! I like the fairing too, but as Iím the city most if the time I like the bike better -naked-. That being said, Iíve put it back for a long trip last week.

Any way to check your V50? Could you post a picture? :)

One crucial mod that I would highly recommend for any V50 is the Hayes one suggested by Chuck (adding a relay to the starter circuit), the bike went from starting once every 3-4 times to starting every single  time.