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Title: Stelvio Battery Placement
Post by: bw45069 on February 16, 2014, 07:13:29 AM

I'm reading threads about leaking batteries on Stelvio's due to angled installation.

I have a 2013.  I know the battery is still at an angle, but does anyone know if they changed the battery type to eliminate leakage ?
Title: Re: Stelvio Battery Placement
Post by: leafman60 on February 16, 2014, 07:20:40 AM
I highly doubt that they have changed anything.  I just replaced my Made In USA Yuasa with a Motobatt factory-activated and sealed battery.
Title: Re: Stelvio Battery Placement
Post by: pauldaytona on February 16, 2014, 07:28:55 AM
my Yuasa  in the stelvio is from 2008 and still strong and not leaking
Title: Re: Stelvio Battery Placement
Post by: pyoungbl on February 16, 2014, 08:05:59 AM
Just put an Anti Gravity lithium battery in my Stelvio.  I have already had one leaking OEM battery and the replacement was identical to what was already leaking.  Rather than discover that I had another leaker I bit the bullet for a no-leak solution.  We'll see soon if the lithium cold weather performance is satisfactory or not.

Peter Y.
Title: Re: Stelvio Battery Placement
Post by: Wayne Orwig on February 16, 2014, 08:11:28 AM
my Yuasa  in the stelvio is from 2008 and still strong and not leaking

In 2008 the battery was installed upright. Later they changed it where the battery lays sideways. those leak.
Title: Re: Re: Re: Stelvio Battery Placement
Post by: Hellgate on February 16, 2014, 08:29:17 AM
Just put an Anti Gravity lithium battery in my Stelvio.  I have already had one leaking OEM battery and the replacement was identical to what was already leaking.  Rather than discover that I had another leaker I bit the bullet for a no-leak solution.  We'll see soon if the lithium cold weather performance is satisfactory or not.

Peter Y.

Follow normal Li battery warm up process and you're good to go.

Ballistic has a nice video that explains the process.

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Title: Re: Stelvio Battery Placement
Post by: ChuckH on February 16, 2014, 11:37:13 AM
....I have a 2013.  I know the battery is still at an angle, but does anyone know if they changed the battery type to eliminate leakage ? 

Is it leakage??  Or, is it just corrosion at the connections from a lack of adequate corrosion protection?

The battery seems to be vented (at the rear corners of the top) and, at it's slightly angled position, that venting is at the top.  From my experience, if the connections are thoroughly coated with a good anti-corrosion spray, the corrosion that I've seen in pictures does not develop. 

Also, I'm cautious about my use of a Battery Tender.  I attach the Tender to the bike about every two weeks (the bike is in my garage which is heated to 50 F.) and disconnect it after the green light comes on.  I don't allow it to be connected continually.  I also remove the seats during this charging so any vapors through the vent will go into the air in my garage rather than being captured/condense under the seat.

I know this is a different way of looking at the situation.  However, my '12 Stelvio battery is not displaying the problems that others seem to be experiencing.
Title: Re: Stelvio Battery Placement
Post by: pyoungbl on February 16, 2014, 01:34:44 PM
Chuck, mine was leaking from around the battery post and then running down the drain tube at the bottom of the battery tray.  The acid was leaving white spots on my concrete floor, which was my clue of a problem.  I did not have significant corrosion on the posts.

At 37F the new lithium battery took 5 tries before it would kick the engine to life, then showed 13.4V immediately.  There is darn little drain on the battery until the starter does its job and then the lights come on and everything else takes a bite out of the available electrons.  Thus, I'll have to wake the battery by trying (and failing) to crank a few times.  The Ballistic Battery video helps explain what really is a new starting experience.

Peter Y.
Title: Re: Stelvio Battery Placement
Post by: youcanrunnaked on February 16, 2014, 02:00:11 PM
Is it leakage??  Or, is it just corrosion at the connections from a lack of adequate corrosion protection?


It leaks.  Moto Guzzi spec'd the wrong battery for the job.  http://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=64797.0

AFAIK, this situation has not been corrected by the factory to date.
Title: Re: Stelvio Battery Placement
Post by: bpreynolds on February 16, 2014, 09:13:45 PM
Did somebody say Stelvio Yusa batteries are leaking?  No way!   ;D
Title: Re: Stelvio Battery Placement
Post by: pauldaytona on February 17, 2014, 05:53:51 AM
In 2008 the battery was installed upright. Later they changed it where the battery lays sideways. those leak.


 Of course I know that, but I changed airbox to new model when I rebuild bike to big tank, and since then same battery, still does not leak.  When it was upright it once had corrosion on one post, but after cleaning that it stayed ok.
Title: Re: Stelvio Battery Placement
Post by: MotoG5 on February 17, 2014, 06:25:12 AM
I have had two factory batteries YTX20CH-BS Yuasa and both of them have leaked. 
Title: Re: Stelvio Battery Placement
Post by: leafman60 on February 17, 2014, 07:16:00 AM
As stated before, my Stelvio's Yuasa did not leak after almost 2 years but I recently replaced it as a precaution with a factory-sealed/activated Motobatt. All good so far.
Title: Re: Stelvio Battery Placement
Post by: jknight611 on February 17, 2014, 01:26:18 PM
My Stelvio battery leaks!!!   :-[. The warranty will replace it but I already have a leaky one!  I popped for the Zero Gravity from Todd.  Lighter too, I know I will be able to "feel the difference"! 

Hope to see a bunch of folks at "Big Stella"

Jay
Title: Re: Stelvio Battery Placement
Post by: bpreynolds on February 20, 2014, 09:50:45 AM
Reviving this thread here a bit.  I'm going to replace the Yusa in mine.  Does Odyssey have a battery to fit?  Their website offers no clue.  If not Odyssey, any other lighter weight suggestions?  I really like the idea of weight savings especially since the battery sits so high up in the bike.  Leaf, is the Motobatt any lighter than the stock Yusa?
Title: Re: Stelvio Battery Placement
Post by: biking sailor on February 20, 2014, 09:53:19 AM
I've bookmarked Leafman60's link to the Motobatt and will keep an eye on my battery.  Any signs of leakage and I will order the Motobatt.
Title: Re: Re: Re: Stelvio Battery Placement
Post by: Hellgate on February 20, 2014, 01:13:21 PM
Reviving this thread here a bit.  I'm going to replace the Yusa in mine.  Does Odyssey have a battery to fit?  Their website offers no clue.  If not Odyssey, any other lighter weight suggestions?  I really like the idea of weight savings especially since the battery sits so high up in the bike.  Leaf, is the Motobatt any lighter than the stock Yusa?

For LiFePO4 batteries I had very good results with Shorai and earthX brands.

I've used Alien and Ballistic too.

Both Shorai and earthX have tougher cases than A & B. E has built in balancing.

On the otherhand A is vety reasonably priced.

4 of my bikes have Li batteries. The Stevlio will get on latet this Spring.

Amazon has the best prices.

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Title: Re: Stelvio Battery Placement
Post by: leafman60 on February 20, 2014, 03:30:56 PM
Reviving this thread here a bit.  I'm going to replace the Yusa in mine.  Does Odyssey have a battery to fit?  Their website offers no clue.  If not Odyssey, any other lighter weight suggestions?  I really like the idea of weight savings especially since the battery sits so high up in the bike.  Leaf, is the Motobatt any lighter than the stock Yusa?

Odyssey does not currently produce a direct replacement. There are but a few out there.  Bikemaster has a TruGel direct replacement.  I've not had problems with the gel batteries but some people say they don't like them.

The Motobatt is not noticeably lighter than the Yuasa but neither will be any lead battery.
Title: Re: Stelvio Battery Placement
Post by: bpreynolds on February 21, 2014, 07:25:45 AM
I may give the Shorai a shot.  Looks like it's a weight savings of almost 10lbs over the Yusa that's in there. 
Title: Re: Stelvio Battery Placement
Post by: leafman60 on February 21, 2014, 08:13:11 AM
I may give the Shorai a shot.  Looks like it's a weight savings of almost 10lbs over the Yusa that's in there. 


I hope I'm wrong but you may regret that. Let us know how it works out in the colder months.
Title: Re: Stelvio Battery Placement
Post by: bpreynolds on February 21, 2014, 08:30:55 AM

I hope I'm wrong but you may regret that. Let us know how it works out in the colder months.

Yes, I'll be definitely curious about this myself as I ride completely year round and even in the coldest months.  It will be in an insulated garage when not out but will sit outside in the cold for up to 8 or 9 hours while I am working on commuter days.  KY is certainly not Minnesota but I do ride regularly in temps during the Winter of down to 10F.  The only reason I've never tried a Shorai before is this rumored or otherwise potential cold start issue; yet, I'm hopeful as I've also heard many Shorai owners say this issue is overstated.  So we'll see, certainly.  Very happily, however, it is almost March and I certainly hope I won't have this issue tested for another 9 months or more  :BEER:
Title: Re: Stelvio Battery Placement
Post by: oldbear on February 23, 2014, 03:37:31 PM
I'm running a new Shorai in my 1050 Tiger.  In cold weather, turn on the switch (do NOT crank) and let the battery "warm up" for a minute, then crank 'er up.  Mine works very well following this regime.  Otherwise, expect multiple trys... YMMV
Title: Re: Stelvio Battery Placement
Post by: leafman60 on August 29, 2016, 06:58:28 PM
MotoBatt MBTX16U

Mine is over 2.5 years old and doing fine.

They're available for $101 plus change from several places including Amazon.

.
Title: Re: Stelvio Battery Placement
Post by: Lannis on August 29, 2016, 07:03:26 PM
My original Yuasa in my 2009 never leaked, went to 2013 and then started slowly dying in a predictable way (wouldn't hold a charge more than two weeks, did fine on the road.)

Replaced it with the same Yuasa model, no leaks and going strong.   I think I'll dance with who brung me.

Lannis
Title: Re: Stelvio Battery Placement
Post by: leafman60 on August 29, 2016, 07:16:13 PM
Yes, if I am correct, the '09 battery was positioned upright instead of leaning over like on the '12-later bikes that experienced leaks.
Title: Re: Stelvio Battery Placement
Post by: Demar on August 29, 2016, 07:20:52 PM
Chuck, mine was leaking from around the battery post and then running down the drain tube at the bottom of the battery tray.  The acid was leaving white spots on my concrete floor, which was my clue of a problem.  I did not have significant corrosion on the posts.

At 37F the new lithium battery took 5 tries before it would kick the engine to life, then showed 13.4V immediately.  There is darn little drain on the battery until the starter does its job and then the lights come on and everything else takes a bite out of the available electrons.  Thus, I'll have to wake the battery by trying (and failing) to crank a few times.  The Ballistic Battery video helps explain what really is a new starting experience.

Peter Y.

Peter, what model did you get? I bought a YT12BS-16 16 cell. I haven't installed it yet.
Title: Re: Stelvio Battery Placement
Post by: toma nova on August 29, 2016, 07:34:58 PM
OE Yuasa leaked, MotoBatt is the perfect replacement, with accessories terminals also.
Title: Re: Stelvio Battery Placement
Post by: MotoG5 on August 29, 2016, 08:30:12 PM
Peter, what model did you get? I bought a YT12BS-16 16 cell. I haven't installed it yet.

I have been running the AG 16 cell for three years now. Starts in the upper 20 degree F range with two hits at most. Never worry about it during warmer months. Bike is a 2012 NTX. Installed after two leaking lead acid units. When the temps get below 25F here in Nebraska its time to pull the battery for the winter. I leave it in the basement until spring and then reinstall for the new riding season. Bought the special charger and have never used it. :thumb:
Title: Re: Stelvio Battery Placement
Post by: Lannis on August 29, 2016, 08:31:28 PM
Yes, if I am correct, the '09 battery was positioned upright instead of leaning over like on the '12-later bikes that experienced leaks.

No, my '09 has the battery laying over at about a 45 degree angle, leaning forward under the back of the gas tank ....

Lannis
Title: Re: Stelvio Battery Placement
Post by: leafman60 on August 29, 2016, 08:39:20 PM
No, my '09 has the battery laying over at about a 45 degree angle, leaning forward under the back of the gas tank ....

Lannis

OK, just like the later models. You are lucky.  Many, many of the Yuasa batteries leak.  We've found several new bikes at our dealer with the problem.

I was lucky too. My original Yuasa didn't leak but when it died, I opted for the Motobatt due to the leakages I had seen or heard about.  Also, Yuasa advises not to lean them over whereas Motobatt says it's okay.

.
Title: Re: Stelvio Battery Placement
Post by: guzzisteve on August 29, 2016, 08:49:06 PM
Yuasa's site now says not to use the batt Guzzi gives you in your bike. They say to use a factory filled & sealed batt.
Wonder if they got sued?
Title: Re: Stelvio Battery Placement
Post by: leafman60 on August 29, 2016, 08:56:20 PM
There ya go
Title: Re: Stelvio Battery Placement
Post by: Lannis on August 30, 2016, 07:17:50 AM
OK, just like the later models. You are lucky.  Many, many of the Yuasa batteries leak.  We've found several new bikes at our dealer with the problem.

I was lucky too. My original Yuasa didn't leak but when it died, I opted for the Motobatt due to the leakages I had seen or heard about.  Also, Yuasa advises not to lean them over whereas Motobatt says it's okay.

.

I'll keep an eye on it (you have to take the seats off to see it) but I have a suspicion that I'm probably easier on my bike than most people.

My original mirrors lasted over 20,000 miles; most broke in far less than that.

My original rear suspension went 23,000 miles; most were sacked out by 15,000.

My tappets went 40,000 miles before I replaced them; that's more than most.

My original plug caps weren't replaced until 40,000 miles; most were gone in less than that.

I get 6500 miles out of a rear PR4 and 13,000 miles out of a front; most people don't get that many.

So I guess I'm not too surprised that my battery is holding up better ... ?

Lannis
Title: Re: Stelvio Battery Placement
Post by: Demar on August 30, 2016, 02:33:54 PM
I have been running the AG 16 cell for three years now. Starts in the upper 20 degree F range with two hits at most. Never worry about it during warmer months. Bike is a 2012 NTX. Installed after two leaking lead acid units. When the temps get below 25F here in Nebraska its time to pull the battery for the winter. I leave it in the basement until spring and then reinstall for the new riding season. Bought the special charger and have never used it. :thumb:

Good to know. Thanks for posting.  :thumb:
Title: Re: Stelvio Battery Placement
Post by: leafman60 on November 14, 2016, 07:04:21 AM
My MotoBatt MBTX16U, nearing 3 years old,  seems to be showing signs of weakness so I am replacing it with another Motobatt.

I don't wanna get caught this winter on a cold morning and need a jump-start.

Bought off amazon for $85 free shipping.
Title: Re: Stelvio Battery Placement
Post by: pauldaytona on November 14, 2016, 08:20:58 AM
My MotoBatt MBTX16U, nearing 3 years old,  seems to be showing signs of weakness so I am replacing it with another Motobatt.

I don't wanna get caught this winter on a cold morning and need a jump-start.

Bought off amazon for $85 free shipping.

It's cheap but 3 years is a very short life.
My original in the Stelvio from 2009 is still going strong.
In my Volvo car the original from 2002 is still  in  without signs of weakness. After 377000km.
 
Title: Re: Stelvio Battery Placement
Post by: Wayne Orwig on November 14, 2016, 08:58:42 AM
It's cheap but 3 years is a very short life.
My original in the Stelvio from 2009 is still going strong.
In my Volvo car the original from 2002 is still  in  without signs of weakness. After 377000km.
 

My original 2009 Stelvio battery is still going strong. And no, my 2009 battery does NOT lean way over like the later models. It only has a slight angle to it.
My 2004 EV lasted until just last year. I replaced it with an Odyssey, that oddly suddenly died in less than a year.
I had put an Odyssey in my 1994 California in 2010. I sold it in 2014 and the buyer is still running that battery after 16 years.
Title: Re: Stelvio Battery Placement
Post by: leafman60 on November 14, 2016, 10:01:15 AM
The battery has not konked out but it doesn't seem to be as strong.

I've gotten as long as 7 years (out of an Odyssey) and as short as 2 years from other batteries (in different bikes).   

I think the warranty is 2 years on the Motobatt.
Title: Re: Stelvio Battery Placement
Post by: pyoungbl on November 14, 2016, 10:32:11 AM
Leaf, it might not be a battery problem.  I'd have it load tested.  There are other factors that come into play with the starting circuit.  You and I have talked about some.  The 'status interruptus' kit from MPH would be my first step if the battery tests OK.

Peter Y.
Title: Re: Stelvio Battery Placement
Post by: old head on November 14, 2016, 01:12:44 PM
If you ride in cooler weather, I wouldn't recommend Shorai battery for an ECM that controls the starter.  I bought one two years ago and it won't crank below 60 without numerous attempts to crank.  No way to really warm the battery as the lights don't come on until the engine is running.

If its below 50, I have to plug in my 2amp charger to the battery so the comupter see's 13 volts and then it cranks fine.  The battery is very light, but won't show 12+ volts for the computer, so the computer won't let it crank, at least on my Breva 1100.

I think the battery is fine, it is just a characteristic of the battery.   It is very light, and will spin the motor faster than the OEM battery, but be aware that your ECM may not allow it crank due the low voltage when cold.

Old Head
Title: Re: Stelvio Battery Placement
Post by: leafman60 on November 15, 2016, 07:11:39 AM
In my situation, I have started getting an occasional "Low Voltage" message even after the bike has been recently topped off with a trickle charger. 

The solenoid engages smartly and even with the supposedly low voltage the motor spins pretty well.

Title: Re: Stelvio Battery Placement
Post by: Lannis on November 15, 2016, 10:20:32 AM
The battery has not konked out but it doesn't seem to be as strong.

I've gotten as long as 7 years (out of an Odyssey) and as short as 2 years from other batteries (in different bikes).   

I think the warranty is 2 years on the Motobatt.

LOAD TEST!   You can eliminate all the "seems to be" and the "not quite as" and "I can't quite figure it out" by clipping two leads onto the battery, and throw ONE switch and watch the meter.   

All doubts resolved.  Concentrate then on what needs fixing or replacing, no more "by guess and by God".  The best return on $90 I've ever gotten.

Lannis
Title: Re: Stelvio Battery Placement
Post by: leafman60 on November 15, 2016, 05:28:31 PM
Should have already said this - yes- load tested.  Slightly weak.
Title: Re: Stelvio Battery Placement
Post by: Lannis on November 15, 2016, 06:32:52 PM
Should have already said this - yes- load tested.  Slightly weak.

Oh.  VioLENCE on television.

Never Mind!

Lannis