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Title: What does the retro craze say about us?
Post by: bad Chad on April 28, 2021, 08:04:06 PM
Itís everywhere, cars , bikes, home furnishings, the list goes on and on. 

I like a fair amount of it, but I d wonder what it means for us in the big picture?  Why are we longing for the past?  Does it mean we have run out of ideas to make products better?  For example, did we reach the best possible designs of vehicles in the 1960/70s?

Are we done?  Have we run out of quality creativity?   Itís something I wonder about.   Any thought out ideas on this would be welcome.
Title: Re: What does the retro craze say about us?
Post by: Dirk_S on April 28, 2021, 08:20:38 PM
Possibly SOME of that, but Iíd also like to include for consideration the speed at which weíre moving in technology, which effects life in all sorts of manners, including cultural aesthetics, etc. Iíd like to think that some of our nostalgia for vintage designs comes to the surface due to the fact that weíre moving so fast that parts of us instinctively want to slow down and enjoy what we have or had. Itís also worth remembering that previous periods in modern times have had their own tastes for the past.

Heck, you might even say that the Dodge Neon PT Cruiser proves that vintage-chic has been an in-thing for what... 25 years, now?
Title: Re: What does the retro craze say about us?
Post by: Scud on April 28, 2021, 08:29:58 PM
A desire to have a second chance at missed opportunities perhaps?

I have an order in for a new Ford Bronco. And yes, the coolest looking broncos were in the 60s and 70s. I always wanted one, but never got one.

As it happens, I stopped at a BMW dealer today (rode my Guzzi there). They had a sweet 50th anniversary bike - looked like an R9T scrambler but in the classic black and yellow "bumblebee" GS colors. Very cool looking. They are commemorating 50 years since the launch of the GS. I had a chance to buy an R80GS in the early 90s. At the time, I thought it was the ugliest thing I had ever seen. It has aged well, and is now cool. Looking back, I probably would have enjoyed that GS more than some of the street bikes I had during that time.

How many of us want Moto Guzzi to build a "retro" LeMans? Why? What does that say about us?

As for running out of creativity. I don't think so. The retro styled vehicles are usually very creative interpretations of the original. Except for the retro Ford Thunderbird, which was an un-flushable turd.
Title: Re: What does the retro craze say about us?
Post by: willowstreetguzziguy on April 28, 2021, 08:35:49 PM
Maybe itís ďBring back the good times!Ē
Title: Re: What does the retro craze say about us?
Post by: Ncdan on April 28, 2021, 09:00:43 PM
For me change simply ran off and left me behind. Thatís the very reason I love that new HD bike.
Title: Re: What does the retro craze say about us?
Post by: AJ Huff on April 28, 2021, 09:11:29 PM
So why are people younger than you then the ones buying "retro" Camaros and Challengers? That can't be due to nostalgia.

-AJ
Title: Re: What does the retro craze say about us?
Post by: not-fishing on April 28, 2021, 11:35:43 PM
So why are people younger than you then the ones buying "retro" Camaros and Challengers? That can't be due to nostalgia.

-AJ

No, my youngest son told me it's all the car racing video games like Grand Turismo.  The kids want to drive the real thing.
Title: Re: What does the retro craze say about us?
Post by: DesertPilot on April 28, 2021, 11:52:46 PM
Retro 'craze'?  I prefer to think of it as retro sanity.

The craze is rushing out to get new and worse things because they're new.  If 3 rider modes is good, surely 30 rider modes, a Bluetooth connection, refrigerated seat for summer riding, power handlebar adjust, and lean-sensitive foot massage is better!
Title: Re: What does the retro craze say about us?
Post by: reidy on April 29, 2021, 01:01:03 AM
For me there are some designs that look classic and ageless. Not only with bikes but cars, houses and such. If I look at a Jaguar XJ6 series 1 I see a beautiful flowing design.

If a woman looked like Ann Margret on a Guzzi, would you call it retro craziness or a thing of beauty. 

The retro bikes are not trying to copy all old bikes. Some were just more visually appealing, even to a non motorcycle person.
Designers are constantly trying to be individual, but they can only go so far until the look just does not work longterm.

Steve
Title: Re: What does the retro craze say about us?
Post by: Dimitri_Harkov on April 29, 2021, 02:32:56 AM
I like to think that up to a certain point, all kinds of machinery were built:

1st to function, and
2nd: to look good without impeding function

I think in many areas, design moved to the first place, often with detrimental effects on function; or at least it became unnecessarily extreme.
Architecture is probably the top culprit here.
But in my opinion, this also extends to cars and motorbikes.

Personally, I prefer utilitarian design, that's why I gravitate to 'retro' stuff.

Cheers,
D.
Title: Re: What does the retro craze say about us?
Post by: Huzo on April 29, 2021, 03:16:54 AM
The people that made better money than their parents are now retiring on a few quid and are going to PARTAY..!
Blokes around my age are swimming in cash and want to re live their good days with money to make it happen, so the manufacturers build what our demographic wants.
Royal Enfield 650ís, Kawasaki Z900ís, CB1300 Hondaís and the like.
Money talks, bullshit walks.
Weíve got it and they want to relieve us of it....Mission accomplished..!
Also here in Oz, itís taken about twenty years for just about everybody to realise that if you speed, you WILL lose your licence immediately or by degrees, so turning up to a ride day on a Desmosedici Ducati, just makes you look like youíre  out for a tug... :embarrassed:
Title: Re: What does the retro craze say about us?
Post by: Murray on April 29, 2021, 04:16:34 AM
That a sad old grumpy bunch of boomers are running the world and trying to make out their youth was actually better than it ever hoped to be :P
Title: Re: What does the retro craze say about us?
Post by: Huzo on April 29, 2021, 05:25:24 AM
That a sad old grumpy bunch of boomers are running the world and trying to make out their youth was actually better than it ever hoped to be :P
My youth was fantastic, but Iím certainly not grumpy...
Title: Re: What does the retro craze say about us?
Post by: twowheeladdict on April 29, 2021, 05:30:18 AM
I see a major difference between a 60s muscle car and today's muscle car.  They may have similar looks, but that is where any resemblance begins and ends.

Motorcycles are a little different with some being fully modern with retro styling cues and some being the same bikes with incremental improvements.

Title: Re: What does the retro craze say about us?
Post by: sdcr on April 29, 2021, 05:57:51 AM
Retro has been going on for generations.

 To paraphrase, retro is Deja Vu all over again.
Title: Re: What does the retro craze say about us?
Post by: GeorgiaGuzzi on April 29, 2021, 06:40:25 AM
refrigerated seat for summer riding

Sign me up!!!
Title: Re: What does the retro craze say about us?
Post by: GeorgiaGuzzi on April 29, 2021, 06:53:55 AM
I see a major difference between a 60s muscle car and today's muscle car.  They may have similar looks, but that is where any resemblance begins and ends.

Motorcycles are a little different with some being fully modern with retro styling cues and some being the same bikes with incremental improvements.

This right here!!! Independent suspension. Making over 400hp and having the option to get over 20mpg. Massive four wheel disc brakes. All that and climate control and comfort. And if you adjust for inflation the prices havenít increased that much. The similarities end at the cosmetic part.
Title: Re: What does the retro craze say about us?
Post by: Zoom Zoom on April 29, 2021, 06:54:32 AM
"What does the retro craze say about us?"

We're crazy and we like new old s**t?  :evil:

John Henry
Title: Re: What does the retro craze say about us?
Post by: centauro on April 29, 2021, 07:02:51 AM
"The more thing change, the more they stay the same"......

And I agree with the notion that the latest technical innovation in bikes, driven only by new safety and emission concerns, have not fundamentally changed the character of motorcycles.

A classic machine from the '70s, properly cared for, can still perform well in today's environment, even without all the bells and whistles. And that's what is fueling a revival of old iron......
Title: Re: What does the retro craze say about us?
Post by: Alfetta on April 29, 2021, 07:19:39 AM
i think this sums it up nicely

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlbkAhCNvik (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlbkAhCNvik)
Title: Re: What does the retro craze say about us?
Post by: Perazzimx14 on April 29, 2021, 07:21:57 AM
Sign me up!!!

A friend has a truck with air conditioned seats. They are amazing! Its one of those things I didn't know I needed in my life until I tried it. 
Title: Re: What does the retro craze say about us?
Post by: larrys on April 29, 2021, 08:47:35 AM
I think that everything, no matter what it is, goes through the same phases. First it's new and cool. Next, its not new or as cool. Then its old and dated. Then at some point its old enough and it becomes "vintage" and is cool once again. I remember when Loops were just old and weren't worth much. Then they became cool again and Tontis were just old. The Cal III/EV's are just old now and can be had cheap. They'll be cool again once they're old enough. And so will we...
Larry
Title: Re: What does the retro craze say about us?
Post by: Bulldog9 on April 29, 2021, 08:50:25 AM
Nostalgia has always been a thing....
Title: Re: What does the retro craze say about us?
Post by: Testarossa on April 29, 2021, 09:19:34 AM
Nostalgia does play a part -- we all lust for the bike or car or ??? we couldn't afford when we turned 16, which is why prices go up on any well-maintained machine when it's about 35 or 40 years old. Our generation like retros when we can't afford a fully-restored BSA or Velocette.

But there's more to it. I noticed this winter that the lift operators in Aspen listen to a ton of '70s-era rock -- at some level they like the drive and color and variety compared to the fairly monotonous -- in the sense of tune-free -- stuff being foisted on them by today's musicians. Modern cars tend to look like smooth wind-tunnel lumps, sleek and not unattractive but all the same and without character. Retro stuff is quirky, with personality. For instance, despite being aimed at the same buyers, today's Beetle, Fiat 500 and Mini don't look alike. Same with bikes. Today's superbikes, to my eye, are hard to tell apart other than by branded colors, but when I see a retro flash by I know instantly if it's a Guzzi, Triumph, RE or Beemer. Even the motomags (or the motovids that have replaced them) use the word character when they review a retrobike, and not when they ride an adv or fully-faired rocket. Harley has known this principle all along -- for a generation they've sold nothing but retro bikes.

The retro Beetle that sort of kicked off this trend in the car world was sold mostly to women and hipsters who thought it was cute or "affordably authentic." But the real first retro was the Miata, which filled the hole left when the British car industry cratered. I'd argue that Porsche is like Harley -- it never stopped making a retro 911.
Title: Re: What does the retro craze say about us?
Post by: bad Chad on April 29, 2021, 09:25:33 AM
Retro, and certainly nostalgia have been around a long time, but to my eye, not near the level reached today, that's why I called it a "craze".
Title: Re: What does the retro craze say about us?
Post by: Bulldog9 on April 29, 2021, 09:36:04 AM
Retro, and certainly nostalgia have been around a long time, but to my eye, not near the level reached today, that's why I called it a "craze".

Must be that pesky North American viewpoint again :evil:
Title: Re: What does the retro craze say about us?
Post by: guzzisteve on April 29, 2021, 09:47:47 AM
I would like to see retro electrics. So far the CARC bikes have held up for over 20yrs.
Title: Re: What does the retro craze say about us?
Post by: Dimitri_Harkov on April 29, 2021, 10:27:11 AM
One of the better attempts IMHO:

https://rgnt-motorcycles.com/ (https://rgnt-motorcycles.com/)

(https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/176302895_4072148376185903_1364169499922498624_n.jpg?_nc_cat=110&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=973b4a&_nc_ohc=VQWywFyjfvAAX-0s7gd&_nc_ht=scontent-vie1-1.xx&oh=81e92975f7ebedb68fc552dee374c153&oe=60B23306)

Price vs specs still seems a bit off, though.

Cheers,
D.
Title: Re: What does the retro craze say about us?
Post by: Moparnut72 on April 29, 2021, 10:42:32 AM
Case in point, I was out yesterday on my V7lll doing errands. I was at the post office when a guy on a Honda African Twin pulls in and says "I love your classic old bike, what year is it". Um, 2019. He then said he didn't know much about Moto GuZZis. I corrected him on his pronunciation and told him that the model goes back a bit but it is a modern bike. I told him I also have another, Audace, that is more current in the looks department. I am an old fart but I can't stand the "insect" bikes, V85TT excepted, good looking adventure bike in my opinion.
kk
Title: Re: What does the retro craze say about us?
Post by: Guzzi Gal on April 29, 2021, 11:55:11 AM
We're old. :shocked:
Title: Re: What does the retro craze say about us?
Post by: Tom H on April 29, 2021, 12:11:58 PM
I was out the other day with my beat up and rusty '62 F100. While at a gas station, a younger guy looked over and said cool truck. Don't know if he meant it or was being sarcastic?? :huh: :undecided:

Tom
Title: Re: What does the retro craze say about us?
Post by: GeorgiaGuzzi on April 29, 2021, 12:21:45 PM
I was out the other day with my beat up and rusty '62 F100. While at a gas station, a younger guy looked over and said cool truck. Don't know if he meant it or was being sarcastic?? :huh: :undecided:

Tom

He meant it. I love seeing older vehicles still on the road. Kudos to the owners keeping them on the road.
Title: Re: What does the retro craze say about us?
Post by: MarkPell on April 29, 2021, 12:25:03 PM
IMHO, at least when it comes to bikes, the 70's had by far the most eye appeal. 850T's, T3's, LeMans I, CB750's, R90S, Commando's.....
Even the enduros (Yamaha's especially) and mini's were cute as hell!
Title: Re: What does the retro craze say about us?
Post by: pebra on April 29, 2021, 12:35:27 PM
Nostalgia does play a part -- we all lust for the bike or car or ??? we couldn't afford when we turned 16, which is why prices go up on any well-maintained machine when it's about 35 or 40 years old. Our generation like retros when we can't afford a fully-restored BSA or Velocette.

But there's more to it. I noticed this winter that the lift operators in Aspen listen to a ton of '70s-era rock -- at some level they like the drive and color and variety compared to the fairly monotonous -- in the sense of tune-free -- stuff being foisted on them by today's musicians. Modern cars tend to look like smooth wind-tunnel lumps, sleek and not unattractive but all the same and without character. Retro stuff is quirky, with personality. For instance, despite being aimed at the same buyers, today's Beetle, Fiat 500 and Mini don't look alike. Same with bikes. Today's superbikes, to my eye, are hard to tell apart other than by branded colors, but when I see a retro flash by I know instantly if it's a Guzzi, Triumph, RE or Beemer. Even the motomags (or the motovids that have replaced them) use the word character when they review a retrobike, and not when they ride an adv or fully-faired rocket. Harley has known this principle all along -- for a generation they've sold nothing but retro bikes.

The retro Beetle that sort of kicked off this trend in the car world was sold mostly to women and hipsters who thought it was cute or "affordably authentic." But the real first retro was the Miata, which filled the hole left when the British car industry cratered. I'd argue that Porsche is like Harley -- it never stopped making a retro 911.

I subscribe to this view.

Superficial consumerism and increasingly boring products that are difficult to differentiate and hard to love should attract an interest in craftsmanship and old, lasting products (forget the rosy tinge here  :grin:), which perhaps for the time being is cresting?

Is it a craze, or is it a fashion? Can't say, anyway what's the difference.
But I don't think it says much about (most of) us  -  we're stuck in the seventies in any case and overtaken by the event. (speaking for myself, at least  :grin: )



Title: Re: What does the retro craze say about us?
Post by: jcctx on April 29, 2021, 12:40:59 PM
Don't care what you say; to me the mid 50 Chevies and Fords look light years better than anything available today!!
 Of course I am 78 so I have no taste!!
Title: Re: What does the retro craze say about us?
Post by: Guzzistajohn on April 29, 2021, 01:29:21 PM
I'm not the least bit interested in todays cars. They're just transportation. I'd much rather look at a '55 Bel Air or a '66 Chevy II Nova, Chevelle, or something of that nature. But no FORDS please  :grin:
Title: Re: What does the retro craze say about us?
Post by: Turin on April 30, 2021, 12:01:32 AM
I'm not a fan of the "retro craze". Some designs are close to perfect, and deserve to be emulated. It's rare that the emulation is an improvement over the original, and it can backfire. Anyone remember the Plymouth Prowler ?
The new challenger looks cartoonish and blocky next to an original.
The latest mustang is a knockout.

Harley has had a variation of the same style of bike for years because the styling works.
Title: Re: What does the retro craze say about us?
Post by: oldbike54 on April 30, 2021, 01:11:33 AM
 Was riding a /5 toaster tank on a regular basis , it was interesting to note that young folks born in 1990 were drawn to it , somehow understanding that although it was a bit of a beater , or as Luap said , "now fellas , there's a motorcycle with patina" , the beemer was the real deal . Coming out of a bookstore walking towards the old thing , a woman in an Escalade asked if I had a moment , wanting to know why everyone who walked past the "old beat up motorcycle stopped and stared at it , ignoring the flashy new shiny motorcycles parked in the next aisle?" Looking at her Escalade and her fancy rings , it seemed likely no explanation would satisfy her .

 Dusty
Title: Re: What does the retro craze say about us?
Post by: Texas Turnip on April 30, 2021, 04:36:59 AM
I knew if I waited long enough my black and gold shag carpet would come back in style!

I  have zero interest in the new cars. You can't tell them apart from on another and I can't guess within ten years what model they are.

Tex

Title: Re: What does the retro craze say about us?
Post by: Aaron D. on April 30, 2021, 06:40:06 AM
That we had it right the first time.
Title: Re: What does the retro craze say about us?
Post by: ohiorider on April 30, 2021, 06:43:07 AM
That we had it right the first time.
:thumb:
Title: Re: What does the retro craze say about us?
Post by: Bulldog9 on April 30, 2021, 07:38:42 AM
I'm not the least bit interested in todays cars. They're just transportation. I'd much rather look at a '55 Bel Air or a '66 Chevy II Nova, Chevelle, or something of that nature. But no FORDS please  :grin:

I felt the same until last year when it was time to replace my long time BMW M3 (20 years) Test drove everything in my budget and ended up with my first Ford Ever.... A nice blend of modern and classic.



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Title: Re: What does the retro craze say about us?
Post by: Zoom Zoom on May 01, 2021, 11:26:18 AM
I'm not the least bit interested in todays cars. They're just transportation. I'd much rather look at a '55 Bel Air or a '66 Chevy II Nova, Chevelle, or something of that nature. But no FORDS please  :grin:

Would you be okay with an old Cougar? After all you have a tiger already... :evil:

John Henry
Title: Re: What does the retro craze say about us?
Post by: SIR REAL ED on May 03, 2021, 04:58:57 AM
I was out the other day with my beat up and rusty '62 F100. While at a gas station, a younger guy looked over and said cool truck. Don't know if he meant it or was being sarcastic?? :huh: :undecided:

Tom

he was being sincere.  According to the authors of the book "Generations: a History of America's Future," (great book!) this is a time when the younger generation and the older generations agree on a lot of "art" and "style" for lack of better terms.

A couple years back, I was riding in a truck with my teenage nephew and a song from the 80's came on the radio and he started singing the lyrics.

I was surprised and asked "You actually know and like this song"
He replied "Oh yeah!  All my friends love the music from this era!"
Title: Re: What does the retro craze say about us?
Post by: ScepticalScotty on May 03, 2021, 07:04:15 AM
I think in bikes its because so many of the modern bikes look alike. Thats why Guzzi and BMW should never stop the transverse twins, as they are totally unique. Very few modern bikes "do it" for me, and I'm a youngster of 54. Apart from the V7s and the V85TT, bikes made right now?? Maybe the Enfield 650s. Maybe the Street Twin. You can see a pattern here..... When I was 10 in 1976 Australia THE coolest bikes to me were the MX and Enduro bikes of the day, and that was it. Road bikes were not on my radar. At 20, it was works trials bikes, and Paris Dakar Bikes, GP500s, 250s, and 125s, and Supermono type racers. And my absolute dream bike as a learner on the road was an SRX250...already leaning a bit retro.
Title: Re: What does the retro craze say about us?
Post by: GeorgiaGuzzi on May 03, 2021, 05:19:58 PM
Iím gonna have to chime in again. We just drove from Estes Park CO to Gunnison CO. We took the peak to peak highway again, then went thru Leadville and up over Monarch pass. Thru snow most of the way. Even dropped into 4h over monarch pass.

The 2021 Jeep Wrangler, with a turboed 2.0 and auto transmission, averaged over 26 mpg today!!! Those arenít Highway miles. Solid front and rear axles. Think about the fuel mileage the old 4x4s of yesteryear got. Remember the wranglers with the AMC 360ís? Road manners are well behaved. Braking is very good. Acceleration is impressive. (For a Jeep) the heater and defroster are amazing! To be honest Iím impressed. Thereís no compare to the old Jeepís itís styled after. If you had told me Iíd ever write the preceding Iíd have taken that bet. And I woulda lost. The substance of todayís retro themed vehicles finally matches the styling.
Title: Re: What does the retro craze say about us?
Post by: SED on May 03, 2021, 08:44:12 PM
I think it says that younger people admire what older people accomplished.  (I'm a teacher so hang out with lots of younger minds.)

The average American is 38 years young.  Older people walked on the moon, joined the Peace Corps, eradicated smallpox, won the cold war, formulated the civil rights and environmental movements.  (even invented the microchip and personal computer)  These are BIG ideas - giant technical, scientific, social and political achievements (whether or not you agree with them).  The fact that we talk about them means that people like some of us here, and my parents and grand parents volunteered, got involved, sacrificed and made them important. 

And all bad things look easier to handle if they are in the past, so the turmoil of difficult events of the past can be simplified and idealized.

I really like the retro look.   :grin:
 

   
Title: Re: What does the retro craze say about us?
Post by: kingoffleece on May 03, 2021, 09:10:46 PM
I like bikes that look like bikes, not transformers, or insects, or any of that stuff.
Title: Re: What does the retro craze say about us?
Post by: LowRyter on May 03, 2021, 09:36:21 PM
Great things are timeless, whether old or new.
Title: Re: What does the retro craze say about us?
Post by: stonelover on May 04, 2021, 07:54:17 AM
Began riding in the1950's when imported bikes were enjoying popularity. For me the singles and twins of the day defined what a motorcycle looked like. (AJS, Matchless, Ariel, Norton, BSA, Triumph, BMW, ect.) What we call retro is simply a motorcycle with modern features. They looked good then and they look good now. Kudos to RE and Kawasaki for trying to "Keep the faith."
Title: Re: What does the retro craze say about us?
Post by: willowstreetguzziguy on May 04, 2021, 08:56:52 AM
Imagine you are anywhere between the ages of 10 and 40. All you can remember are chains of businesses. Chains of pharmacies, home-improvement centers, restaurants, convenient stores, Hardware stores, steak houses. Almost any town you go to in America it all looks the same. You have the Walmarts, the targets, and it goes on and on and on.

Now if you grew up in the 40s, 50s, 60s you remember mom and pop pharmacies, mom and pop hardware stores, local restaurants, local grocery stores and so on , All very interesting places that treated you as an individual not as a customer number. Like itís been said, carsBack in the day had a unique look and feel and so did the businesses.It was all more intimate and meaningful.

Now all the younger generation has is A very boring And impersonal world to live in.

Thatís why the younger generation in our town is patronizing local hometown restaurants and businesses in the small town of Lancaster Pennsylvania. These small businesses are thriving thanks to the younger generation who does appreciate a personal feel and flocks to a local business that cares about the community, unlike a Walmart or Target.
Title: Re: What does the retro craze say about us?
Post by: willowstreetguzziguy on May 04, 2021, 09:03:58 AM
Imagine you are anywhere between the ages of 10 and 40. All you can remember are chains of businesses. Chains of pharmacies, home-improvement centers, restaurants, convenient stores, Hardware stores, steak houses. Almost any town you go to in America it all looks the same. You have the Walmarts, the targets, and it goes on and on and on.

Now if you grew up in the 40s, 50s, 60s you remember mom and pop pharmacies, mom and pop hardware stores, local restaurants, local grocery stores and so on , All very interesting places that treated you as an individual not as a customer number. Like itís been said, carsBack in the day had a unique look and feel and so did the businesses.It was all more intimate and meaningful.

Now all the younger generation has is A very boring And impersonal world to live in.

Thatís why the younger generation in our town is patronizing local hometown restaurants and businesses in the small town of Lancaster Pennsylvania. These small businesses are thriving thanks to the younger generation who does appreciate a personal feel and flocks to a local business that cares about the community, unlike a Walmart or Target.

This is exactly why Royal Enfield, Triumph, and Harley Davidson are thriving in this boring environment. If Moto Guzzi could get their act together they could reap the rewards as well
Title: Re: What does the retro craze say about us?
Post by: bad Chad on May 04, 2021, 09:14:04 AM
Yes HD is still far the biggest here in North America, but they clearly are not ďthriving ď.
Title: Re: What does the retro craze say about us?
Post by: Alfetta on May 04, 2021, 09:18:27 AM
I was out the other day with my beat up and rusty '62 F100. While at a gas station, a younger guy looked over and said cool truck. Don't know if he meant it or was being sarcastic?? :huh: :undecided:

Tom

If he followed his statement with the word "boomer",  then is was sarcastic !
Title: Re: What does the retro craze say about us?
Post by: Tusayan on May 04, 2021, 12:29:34 PM
This is exactly why Royal Enfield, Triumph, and Harley Davidson are thriving in this boring environment. If Moto Guzzi could get their act together they could reap the rewards as well

If Moto Guzzi got ďtheir act togetherĒ like Harley, Enfield India and Triumph, they too could sell mass market plastic replicas of their past products.  The Nuovo V7 etc is awful, but not quite as awful as a Union Jack emblazoned Triumph built in Thailand with fake non functional injection molded plastic transmission cases.  Guzzi still has its real facility, as well as mechanical designs that didnít start with primarily a cosmetic requirement.

I do think the Enfield is better than the Triumph, and that Harley has finally shown progress in building modern motorcycles. The latter is real progress.
Title: Re: What does the retro craze say about us?
Post by: bad Chad on May 04, 2021, 12:54:29 PM
If Moto Guzzi got ďtheir act togetherĒ like Harley, Enfield India and Triumph, they too could sell mass market plastic replicas of their past products.  The Nuovo V7 etc is awful, but not quite as awful as a Union Jack emblazoned Triumph built in Thailand with fake non functional injection molded plastic transmission cases.  Guzzi still has its real facility, as well as mechanical designs that didnít start with primarily a cosmetic requirement.

I do think the Enfield is better than the Triumph, and that Harley has finally shown progress in building modern motorcycles. The latter is real progress.

You are clearly wrong in your assertion that the v7 is "awful",  but I can see there is no use in pointing out why you're wrong.
Title: Re: What does the retro craze say about us?
Post by: JJ on May 04, 2021, 01:07:26 PM
QUOTE: "What does the retro craze say about us....?"

Two simple words...."Guzzi Geezers!"  :laugh: :grin: :wink: :rolleyes: :shocked: :huh:


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Title: Re: What does the retro craze say about us?
Post by: Tusayan on May 04, 2021, 01:14:06 PM
By the way, I forgot to add that the reason my newest of nine bikes is a 2002 model is that what prior Italian bikes had was the art of combining new and old, without losing what had been learned.  What killed that?  Retro, with its crass and artless theft of past designs offered up as a way to sell motorcycles that aren't  modern either. 

It's really ironic.
Title: Re: What does the retro craze say about us?
Post by: willowstreetguzziguy on May 04, 2021, 06:31:25 PM
You are clearly wrong in your assertion that the v7 is "awful",  but I can see there is no use in pointing out why you're wrong.

I should have been clearer... I meant their marketing. They have great bikes and terrible marketing. A small example is you have to look long and hard to see the name ďMoto GuzziĒ from 6 feet away on the new bikes.Other manufacturers have it prominently displayed on the gas tank where people can see it!
Title: Re: What does the retro craze say about us?
Post by: dguzzi on May 04, 2021, 06:47:48 PM
I would go with Mr. Roper, whatever his opinion is on this question.
Its sorta like 'why is there reruns on tv?'  Why are bikinis cool?
Title: Re: What does the retro craze say about us?
Post by: Canuck750 on May 04, 2021, 06:48:09 PM
Was riding a /5 toaster tank on a regular basis , it was interesting to note that young folks born in 1990 were drawn to it , somehow understanding that although it was a bit of a beater , or as Luap said , "now fellas , there's a motorcycle with patina" , the beemer was the real deal . Coming out of a bookstore walking towards the old thing , a woman in an Escalade asked if I had a moment , wanting to know why everyone who walked past the "old beat up motorcycle stopped and stared at it , ignoring the flashy new shiny motorcycles parked in the next aisle?" Looking at her Escalade and her fancy rings , it seemed likely no explanation would satisfy her .

 Dusty

Typical of a segment of society that know the cost of everything and the value of nothing!

A blinged out Escalade with a blinged up driver is shouting "look at my wealth, I must be important",

An old /5 or Loop Guzzi, still running and bringing a broad smile to the rider and those that come across it, quietly displays quality of design and fabrication, durability and is still attractive, even to those that know little or nothing of motorcycles.

What will a 20 year old Escalade look like? what will it be worth and how will it be judged to the standards of the future?
Title: Re: What does the retro craze say about us?
Post by: sidecarnutz on May 04, 2021, 07:12:42 PM
Well, I for one could care less about a "Retro" Lemans. But I retro 1000S? Now you're talkin!  :cool: That could be awesome with the small block motor. Or even a retro SPIII? Givi luggage and sport touring never gets old!
Title: Re: What does the retro craze say about us?
Post by: Bulldog9 on May 05, 2021, 05:49:07 AM
I like bikes that look like bikes, not transformers, or insects, or any of that stuff.

Exactly....

Title: Re: What does the retro craze say about us?
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on May 05, 2021, 06:11:07 AM
I like old stuff. I also like modern stuff that looks old.

in the words of Boris the Blade...

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"Heavy is good. Heavy is reliable, if it does not work, you can always hit him with it"
Title: Re: What does the retro craze say about us?
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on May 05, 2021, 06:14:06 AM


What will a 20 year old Escalade look like? what will it be worth and how will it be judged to the standards of the future?

Based on how my pop's Oldsmobile Bravada 'luxury suv' aged, I cant imagine the Escalade will fare better. What a hunk of crap.
Title: Re: What does the retro craze say about us?
Post by: ohiorider on May 05, 2021, 06:34:57 AM
I think it might also say that many of us are beginning to appreciate bikes that fit us right out of the crate.  The Brits seemed to have figured this out, oh, a hundred years ago, give or take a few.  5'8" or 6'2", these old bikes fit quite a few body shapes with little or no mods.  Many of the new retros still do.

Title: Re: What does the retro craze say about us?
Post by: bad Chad on May 05, 2021, 08:14:39 AM
Actually a 20 year old Escalade that looks new, might garner a fair amount of attention, and it couldnít have a lower percentage resale value than a 20 year old Guzzi, could it?
Title: Re: What does the retro craze say about us?
Post by: Bulldog9 on May 05, 2021, 09:11:54 AM
Actually a 20 year old Escalade that looks new, might garner a fair amount of attention, and it couldnít have a lower percentage resale value than a 20 year old Guzzi, could it?

If you can find a 20 year old Escalade on the road  :evil:

The Escalade depreciates pretty hard - https://caredge.com/cadillac/escalade/depreciation

The Tundra does better, but this graph is under the market. I was offered $39K by Carmax for my 2017 Tundra. It was $45K MSRP before tax & tags.  https://caredge.com/toyota/tundra/depreciation.

For the most part, maybe with the exception of the V85, many Guzzi's sell at a huge discount. I bought my Stornello new for $6499, and MGX for $12995.  Much less depreciation from the actual sales price.

Title: Re: What does the retro craze say about us?
Post by: Murray on May 05, 2021, 09:17:47 AM
Well, I for one could care less about a "Retro" Lemans. But I retro 1000S? Now you're talkin!  :cool: That could be awesome with the small block motor.

They did that with the V7, I don't think they were exactly a roaring success (https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fs1.cdn.autoevolution.com%2Fimages%2Fnews%2Fgallery%2Fmoto-guzzi-norge-and-v7-get-new-colors-photo-gallery_9.jpg&f=1&nofb=1) you've never heard of them.
Title: Re: What does the retro craze say about us?
Post by: bad Chad on May 05, 2021, 09:52:56 AM
This is getting weird.  The 1000s was a retro, way back in 93, it was trying to look like a 750s from the mid 70s.   So then Guzzi makes the v7 that looks like the 1000s, and now he wants yet another reboot, and amazingly, none of them sold particular well!   Smoking some good shit I guess.
Title: Re: What does the retro craze say about us?
Post by: JJ on May 06, 2021, 08:10:35 AM
My late father LOVED big cars...Cadillac's and Oldsmobile's mainly....
He once had a '72 Cadillac Eldorado Biarritz that was SO BIG......it would NOT fit in our garage!! :laugh: :grin: :wink: :rolleyes: :shocked: :huh:


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