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The Chinese import tire changers like Atlas and such have come down in price to the point where you can buy a power tire changer for the price of a NoMar. While I resist buying anything from China when possible, there are several models under the $1000 price point. https://www.gregsmithequipment.com/Tire-Changer/Tire-Changers. I have no idea about their durability, but I suspect for the "home shop" they would be fine.The NoMar will work, but I still say there is a reason every video on their web site is done with the disks removed. I do it with the front disks attached, but you must be very careful to make sure the demount bar is not levering against the edge of the rotor. I've also found there is a marked difference from one tire manufacture to the next. Leaving the tire out in the sun helps, but kind of hard to do in the winter. I just think, for the money, the NoMar is too fussy and your technique needs to be well practiced from many tire changes. Since I only mount a new tire every few months, it's easy to forget. I have to review the videos before every use so as to not leave out an important step. Still, if you live out in the sticks, like me, it beats the 80 mile round trip to Cycle Gear or some other dealer.
While wheels with deep drop centers have benefits shallow drop centers are not that much more difficult. Again if you fighting/forcing a tire onto the wheel you are doing something wrong. I don't care what machine you are using it takes technique. As for bending the disc if you insert the tire bar then lever it over across the disc then jump up and down on it you'll bend the disc. Gently laying the bar across the disc while you move the center pivot into place will do no harm. You can also hold the tire bar in you left hand while the pivot bar slides between you left thumb and pointer finger while the right hand loosens the thumbwheel. Sounds way more complicated then it is. In reality it takes 3 seconds and one fluid motion and the tire bar never touched the disc. A buddy has a Coats he says it the best rim scratcher on the market.
Thanks for that clarification, I misunderstood the comments about bending the brake discs.I thought it was from a lack of clearance underneath when using the bead breaker, but it sounds like it can be an issue on top when you're reefing on the tire bar against the center post and the tire bar lays down contacting the edge of the disc?TksKelly
For me it’s just to simple to ride to my mechanics home shop and sit talking and drinking coffee while he uses his motorcycle tire machine to change my front or rear for 25 bucks. I guess I’m just getting lazy in my old age:)
Sure, until your local shop won't touch it unless it is off the bike. Then, they charge you $40 a wheel.
Not unusual for $40 per wheel if you bring the wheels in off the bike.
Sure. Unitl your local shop won't touch it unless it is off the bike. Then, they charge you $40 a wheel.No. They can kiss my patootie. I'll do it myself, thank you..
The other problems with dealerships is 1. They will try and move stock they have on the shelves.2. They charge more for the same tire 3. Dealerships change you tires when they have time in the scheduel. Changing my own tires:1. I save 25 to 40% over what a dealership charges buying tire online2. I buy the tires I want no settle for whats in stock3. I change the tires when its convient for me4. It gives me an opprutinity to inspect parts of the bike that are not normally or readily exposed5. I can use up old tires. Say I'm going on a trip and I have tire with 1,000 or 1,500 miles left on it but I want fresh rubber for the trip. Using a dealership make is not feasable to reserve the old tires so you toss it with 1/5th its usable life. Changin at home slip on the new rubber for the trip when you get home change the tire back and finishin up the old tire. I save buying onlineI save dealership labor costsI save becasue I can use up tire to their fullest
I read the page about the No Pinch. Sounds like a good product. But....It mainly talks about dirt bike tires and it says not to use it on tubeless tires. I thought I read something about street tires, but can't find it now."Can I use the tire tool to change a tubeless tire?Many tubeless tires and especially the soft rubber trials tires have a thick soft rubber layer on the inside of the bead that can be easily damaged. We do not recommend using the No Pinch tire tool to install these tires."Has anyone here used this yet?I normally just buy my tire from my tire only shop and let him install it. It used to be free with tire purchase, but now he charges about $30 for it. Balancing was always extra charge about $5 with install. His prices are getting up there for tires compared to some online vendors, that's why I'm thinking about a tire changer as well.Tom
Zinfan,I looked up the Kaurimoto, again all the site talks about is dirt bike tires. Is there something special about dirt tires that makes mounting them different than street?Tom
And the person that is knowledgeable is doing a valve job or such. They send the zit faced high school kid that wishes he was flipping burgers with his buddies, over to do the tires.
I looked up the Kaurimoto, again all the site talks about is dirt bike tires. Is there something special about dirt tires that makes mounting them different than street?
On my bikes, the knobby tires have always been a challenge. They tend to be a lot stiffer, and I believe the rims do not have as deep of a drop center. Add to that some dirt bike rims have a pinch block.One of my reasons for disliking No-Mar, was an idiot salesman that was demoing them at a show. He had a street tire and rim that was like 8 inches wide. He had the rim mounted in the tire changer. He picked up the tire, which was so flaccid that he had trouble holding it up in the air, as it kept flopping over. He slapped the tire down on the rim and the tire was mounted. He told everybody standing there, that it was because of the great tire stand that it went on so easy. He could have done the same thing on a milk crate. There was a dirt bike tire around the side of the demo area. I asked him to dismount and mount it. He simply said that it wasn't his tire and walked away from me. Yes, I encountered people unskilled in tire changes, that thought the demo was awesome, and they wanted to spend money right there.
I have always done mine with spoons but before the next tire changes I will modify/make my own machine.I will use this as the base for it. https://www.ebay.com/itm/Multi-Manual-Tire-Changer-Car-Tire-Changer-ATV-Wheel-4-to-16-1-2-Tires/312866269725?I will then utilize an arm mounting assembly that I make similar to the ones in the below vids. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSLJPlNAnA0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZpVxJMZ7p4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGjbilbUv3g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3bO6ny2nq0
I have always done mine with spoons but before the next tire changes I will modify/make my own machine.I will use this as the base for it. https://www.ebay.com/itm/Multi-Manual-Tire-Changer-Car-Tire-Changer-ATV-Wheel-4-to-16-1-2-Tires/312866269725?_trkparms=aid%3D1110001%26algo%3DSPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20131231084308%26meid%3D421001e233e14ab883009b23ad3c2c5b%26pid%3D100010%26rk%3D5%26rkt%3D12%26sd%3D361969989603%26itm%3D312866269725%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2047675&_trksid=p2047675.c100010.m2109I will then utilize an arm mounting assembly that I make similar to the ones in the below vids. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSLJPlNAnA0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZpVxJMZ7p4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGjbilbUv3g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3bO6ny2nq0
Also not sure how you hold a motorcycle wheel from turning with nothing to bolt through.