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Extra lights
« on: February 16, 2021, 12:24:52 PM »
More lights for next riding season ...


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Re: Extra lights (LED)
« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2021, 12:39:31 PM »
That is a nice looking kit! :thumb:

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Re: Extra lights (LED)
« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2021, 12:47:49 PM »
So i goggled Hansa candle...

ooooh scented vanilla bean.... :grin:

Who makes those? Nice quality to put on a quality bike..
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Re: Extra lights (LED)
« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2021, 01:49:38 PM »
That is a nice looking kit! :thumb:

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Re: Extra lights (LED)
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Re: Extra lights (LED)
« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2021, 02:39:56 PM »
LED?

Those sure appear to be an H3 incandescent.
No fins for the heat sink.
Even the wires are not colored for polarity.

I am going with NOT LED.
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Re: Extra lights (LED)
« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2021, 02:41:20 PM »
Just bought them from internet (Romano motorsport). But they looked like ok quality .... made from aluminium with crome finish.

Lamp holders are very flexible (fully rotatable mounting shelf) ... making installation easy. 

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Re: Extra lights (LED)
« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2021, 02:44:12 PM »
LED?

Those sure appear to be an H3 incandescent.
No fins for the heat sink.
Even the wires are not colored for polarity.

I am going with NOT LED.


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Re: Extra lights
« Reply #7 on: February 16, 2021, 03:27:06 PM »
But someone makes an LED replacement bulb.  I saw them but don't remember what store I was in or who made them.  Memory seems to get worse every year.

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Re: Extra lights
« Reply #8 on: February 16, 2021, 03:30:58 PM »
I'd encourage you to invest or even better yet build a simple wiring harness with a relay so that the light are connected to a keyed power source and also toggled on/off via the switch.

Bare relay blocks and spade connectors are $7 for five sets of them from Amazon. Here's a simple wiring diagram:



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Re: Extra lights
« Reply #9 on: February 16, 2021, 03:42:44 PM »
I'd encourage you to invest or even better yet build a simple wiring harness with a relay so that the light are connected to a keyed power source and also toggled on/off via the switch.

Bare relay blocks and spade connectors are $7 for five sets of them from Amazon. Here's a simple wiring diagram:





I was planning to connect those extra lamps to bike's ignition switch (not directly to battery) ... so if the main power is turned off ... the lamps can not be on either (can not use battery). I also want to install that separately on/off switch. Using it then the main power is on. Will that make sense?

 
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Re: Extra lights
« Reply #10 on: February 16, 2021, 03:51:58 PM »
I was planning to connect those extra lamps to bike's ignition switch (not directly to battery) ... so if the main power is turned off ... the lamps can not be on either (can not use battery). I also want to install that separately on/off switch. Using it then the main power is on. Will that make sense?

I'm a big fan of not powering stuff off the bike existing wiring but rather stand alone harness's that are connected to the battery and triggered with a relay. For bikes with mutiple accessories I like the FZ1 Fuzeblock it has a integral 30a relay, 6 fused circuits and can be configured keyed or continuous power by moving a fuse.
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Re: Extra lights
« Reply #11 on: February 16, 2021, 04:00:53 PM »
I was planning to connect those extra lamps to bike's ignition switch (not directly to battery) ... so if the main power is turned off ... the lamps can not be on either (can not use battery). I also want to install that separately on/off switch. Using it then the main power is on. Will that make sense?

If those are really only 5 watt, as you state, then you can wire them to about anything.

But that is not a good idea. A separate fused line with a relay direct from the battery is always best. Then if you upgrade the bulbs, you will be all set.

Are you really sure they are only 5 watt? That is not much in an incandescent.
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Re: Extra lights
« Reply #12 on: February 16, 2021, 04:35:50 PM »
5 watt in an incandescent would be equal to dash/idiot light not a driving light.
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Re: Extra lights
« Reply #13 on: February 16, 2021, 05:10:40 PM »
Those are small fog lights. Maybe they will not help much of my riding, but if they help to car drivers to see/ notice me ... they have done their work/purpose.

I'm just bit worry that if I connect them directly to battery ... they can run down my battery (if I forgot to leave them on) ... or if someone just would switch them on ... as I have parked bike somewhere.
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Re: Extra lights
« Reply #14 on: February 16, 2021, 06:14:22 PM »
I have auxiliary lights on all my bikes. On the first install, I went to a fair bit of trouble rigging an attractive yet durable bar mounted switch. I never use it. I have never had a reason or desire not to run the lights.

On the subsequent installs I didn't bother. More wiring to route (and potentially fail), valuable handlebar space better used for mounts and gadgetry.

As others have said, run a separate fused relay that is triggered by a source that powers up with the key. The little useless "parking lamp" in the headlight bucket is perfect for this.

Generic wiring harnesses sold for truck off-road lighting have everything you need, are inexpensive and are sold practically anywhere that sells automotive accessories. You'll have to trim back some of the wires since you're wiring a bike rather than a truck, so buy an assortment of terminals.

If for some reason you need to disable the lights, just pull the fuse.

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Re: Extra lights
« Reply #15 on: February 16, 2021, 09:29:21 PM »
Those are small fog lights. Maybe they will not help much of my riding, but if they help to car drivers to see/ notice me ... they have done their work/purpose.

I'm just bit worry that if I connect them directly to battery ... they can run down my battery (if I forgot to leave them on) ... or if someone just would switch them on ... as I have parked bike somewhere.

That is why you use a relay, and always a fuse of course.
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Re: Extra lights
« Reply #16 on: February 17, 2021, 06:20:54 AM »
If the OP would like I can make a wiring harness up. I do use duckbill switches that can be mounted anywhere you can drill a 1/2 hole or I can make an aluminum angle bracket that can be bolted to whateverís is convent. I donít care for handlebar mounted switches as the bars get congested with doodads.


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Re: Extra lights
« Reply #17 on: February 17, 2021, 06:32:25 AM »
That is why you use a relay, and always a fuse of course.

Now I'll show up as real blond  :laugh: ... ok, I understand reason/role of fuse (have changed two of those in my Mini Cooper). One kind of safety issue/protection.

But what is that ''relay''?  It'll control electricity going into the lamps/lights, right? So is it that switch (on - off switch I'm planning to intall into handlebar) or something else/extra? If it is that switch ... there is always risk (possibility) that lights can be let ''on'' even as bike is parked. Or is it something else (separately part/compaund) installed between battery and that switch? If it is this, how it will ''know'' to turn electricity down/off (as bike is parked, engine stopped, key taken away from ignition switch)?
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Re: Extra lights
« Reply #18 on: February 17, 2021, 06:47:00 AM »
A relay would be tapped into a switched circuit. That side of the relay will turn on/off the power to the aux lights. A relay uses a very small amount of power to pull a magnet that switches power through the other side of it. A low voltage side to turn it on and off, and a high voltage side that switches power to your lights.

The low voltage side will have a feed wire from a switched source and a second wire to ground. The other side will have a fused wire from the battery coming in, and a wire going out to your aux lights. That way you are not overloading any wiring by adding to a circuit.

edit: Your on/off switch would be used to turn on (trigger) the relay, which would cut through the main power feed to your lights.

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Re: Extra lights
« Reply #19 on: February 17, 2021, 07:21:28 AM »
+1 on the Fuzeblock.  It tidies everything up and you can run your battery tender through it since you can set any circuit to always on if you want.
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Re: Extra lights
« Reply #20 on: February 17, 2021, 08:07:17 AM »
Now I'll show up as real blond  :laugh: ... ok, I understand reason/role of fuse (have changed two of those in my Mini Cooper). One kind of safety issue/protection.

But what is that ''relay''?  It'll control electricity going into the lamps/lights, right? So is it that switch (on - off switch I'm planning to intall into handlebar) or something else/extra? If it is that switch ... there is always risk (possibility) that lights can be let ''on'' even as bike is parked. Or is it something else (separately part/compaund) installed between battery and that switch? If it is this, how it will ''know'' to turn electricity down/off (as bike is parked, engine stopped, key taken away from ignition switch)?

The relay is a high amperage magnetic switch that is operated off of low amperage switch (Handlebar/toggle switch)

There are many videos on YT that explain relay and why they are beneficial.

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=12v+4+pin+relay+explaination&&view=detail&mid=107843E48E955CCE5E1A107843E48E955CCE5E1A&&FORM=VRDGAR


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Re: Extra lights
« Reply #21 on: February 17, 2021, 08:18:29 AM »
A relay would be tapped into a switched circuit. That side of the relay will turn on/off the power to the aux lights.

Okey ... I started to think there needs to be magical fuzzy logic involved on this  :grin:.

Anyway, I think I will let guys to do that (take a bike into service as riding season starts). They can do this as they'll change the tires. Will be done propetly.

I just thought it could be usefull to know a bit which wires goes where, where the fuses are etc.
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Re: Extra lights
« Reply #22 on: February 17, 2021, 09:48:23 AM »
But what is that ''relay''?

In this situation, the relay is like a 'remote control' switch.

A small signal from the ignition switch, or headlight, or whatever, will switch on a large current going to the lights.

You can also do oddball logic, like after there is oil pressure, turn on the driving lights, so they stay off until the motor is running.
But mainly, they are used as a simple remote switch. So the tiny wiring going to the starter button, can trip a relay that sends over one hundred amps to the starter. Well, unless it is a Guzzi and suffers startus interuptus. But that is another issue.

You can get pre-made harnesses from places like Eastern Beaver.


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Re: Extra lights
« Reply #23 on: February 17, 2021, 10:03:00 AM »
I agree with Wayne.  The bulbs are low-wattage 12V used in landscape lights.  I have a similar-design fork-mounted lights that use those bulbs.  You can replace them with brighter LEDs such as the MR11 or MR16 depicted at https://www.superbrightleds.com/cat/landscape-bulbs/

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Re: Extra lights
« Reply #24 on: February 17, 2021, 04:39:20 PM »
I agree with Wayne.  The bulbs are low-wattage 12V used in landscape lights.  I have a similar-design fork-mounted lights that use those bulbs.  You can replace them with brighter LEDs such as the MR11 or MR16 depicted at https://www.superbrightleds.com/cat/landscape-bulbs/

Okey; I opened another lamp ...






I think that looks like MR11 or MR16 type?

Honestly I think that original halogen lamp is 50W and not 5W (50W seems to be pretty common) ... and bases on text on the lamp too (3 photo).
Still recommend to change LED lamps? Which one?

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Re: Extra lights
« Reply #25 on: February 17, 2021, 06:10:14 PM »
Love extra lights. Especially now that L.E.D.s are so cheap.


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« Reply #26 on: February 17, 2021, 06:17:03 PM »
Yep I agree with 50W.

The MR11 and MR16 differ on lens diameter.  Note the MR16 has two different pin styles -- yours is GU5.3 base.






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« Reply #27 on: February 18, 2021, 09:02:25 AM »
Honestly I think that original halogen lamp is 50W and not 5W (50W seems to be pretty common) ... and bases on text on the lamp too (3 photo).
Still recommend to change LED lamps? Which one?

You could install those. You absolutely want a switch and relay (and fuse), AND a voltmeter. You did not say what bike you have, but most models, other that the CARC models, have marginal charging systems. They may only have enough 'juice' when rolling down the road over 3500 RPM. A voltmeter will let you know.

Many years ago I came up with a device to dim my 55 watt lights, if the charge voltage was low. Going down the road , the lights were at 100%. Stop for a red light, or slow traffic, and they would dim. I still have that device on my bike (an EV), but now have LED lighting. The lights seldom need to dim because I always get good charge voltage.

You can get pretty good LED lights for under $30 off of Amazon. A 10 watt LED, will make about the same light as a 55 watt incandescent.
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Re: Extra lights
« Reply #28 on: February 18, 2021, 09:49:53 AM »
You could install those. You absolutely want a switch and relay (and fuse), AND a voltmeter. You did not say what bike you have, but most models, other that the CARC models, have marginal charging systems. They may only have enough 'juice' when rolling down the road over 3500 RPM. A voltmeter will let you know.

Many years ago I came up with a device to dim my 55 watt lights, if the charge voltage was low. Going down the road , the lights were at 100%. Stop for a red light, or slow traffic, and they would dim. I still have that device on my bike (an EV), but now have LED lighting. The lights seldom need to dim because I always get good charge voltage.

You can get pretty good LED lights for under $30 off of Amazon. A 10 watt LED, will make about the same light as a 55 watt incandescent.

I've really like the "side shooter" LED's. The broadcast light in almost an 180 degree arc so the side of the road is illuminated to see all those little  glowing eyes.






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Re: Extra lights
« Reply #29 on: February 18, 2021, 10:05:28 AM »
You could install those. You absolutely want a switch and relay (and fuse), AND a voltmeter. You did not say what bike you have, but most models, other that the CARC models, have marginal charging systems. They may only have enough 'juice' when rolling down the road over 3500 RPM. A voltmeter will let you know.

Many years ago I came up with a device to dim my 55 watt lights, if the charge voltage was low. Going down the road , the lights were at 100%. Stop for a red light, or slow traffic, and they would dim. I still have that device on my bike (an EV), but now have LED lighting. The lights seldom need to dim because I always get good charge voltage.

You can get pretty good LED lights for under $30 off of Amazon. A 10 watt LED, will make about the same light as a 55 watt incandescent.


Yes, there seemed to be many suitable 8W - 10W LED lights. Even different kinds (MR16 GU5.3). I see the point. Yes, wise choice for price of cost.
After all these were good choice ... I can easily change the light (if/then needed)? In some LED lights ... as those are gone, they are gone.

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