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Old Jock:
So I installed a RAM into the Sporti, (I know, I know I'll be putting in a new plate after the first run out) & I now have a complete engine and gearbox, didn't say it will run but it looks nice

Anyway with the RAM in I have a bit of a conundrum, the actuating plunger is sitting recessed into endcase by somewhere around 3.5 mm. I also found these little collars in the RAM box although I'm not 100% they came with the RAM. They would not fit on the pushrod or the nose of the RAM. So I'm buggered if I know what they do but suspect it may be connected with my current problem.

There are 2 collars and the dimensions of them are 10mm diameter 9.5mm length and the hole is approx 5mm

I put the actuating lever on and the gbx into first and using a spacer between the actuating arm adjusted nut and the plunger, to space it pushed on the arm and the clutch disengages, so it works. If it cam to it I suppose I could just get an engineering shop to turn me a bit of stainless to the right diameter and put a nose on it, wouldn't cost the earth.

Anybody come across anything like it?







Any help/comments/abuse??

John

kidneb:
I`m having a deja vu on this !

Are you sure it`s a Ram clutch for the 5 spd. box, and not a single plater for the V11 ?


IIRC that was what caused some confusion last time that "too short pushrod" phenomenon  was up here in connection with the RAM?  Just a thought.

 Good luck anyway !

Old Jock:
Cheers Kidneb

Searching (I was having problems with the search before) it appears to be not unknown. Reading a recent topic on it Baldini stated he had a similar experience and replaced the center button in the spring for another type.

A lot have a problem with the thing not disengaging but (& I'll double check this) mine does seem to engage and disengage fine, the problem is simply length. This RAM has the newer MIBA plate like this

http://www.mgcycle.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=193&products_id=3117

I got this from Stein Dinse and according to them its the correct type for the bike

http://www.stein-dinse.biz/Moto-Guzzi/Clutch/Single-disk-clutch/Single-disc-clutch-Daytona-Cal-1100-i::137464.html

Need to double check clutch part numbers and pushrod length. If its simply too short I'll contact Stein Dinse and in the worse case scenario, just get a new pushrod made I guess.

Problem with RAM is they do not have a website or provide sufficient info on their product which is frustrating.

John

kidneb:
Hi John

I`m sorry that I don`t have a clue as to what is wrong with your RAM setup.
You bought it new from Stein Dinse,- listed to fit your model, but it don`t. Contact them, play the friendly innocent idiot and ask for explanation and advice ! :)
Both the types of the RAM that SD offers is for the 5spd. BB Guzzis. I don`t know what justifies the €173 difference of the two ? Are there some sensors on the flywheel for the inj. ones ? I know nothing about it myself.
But mechanically, both types should fit any 5spd box Guzzi without further mods?
And then,- all the different types of friction plates that have been introduced during the lifetime of the RAM. Why would that be necessary if it wash`t for the fact that the products are of dubious quality ?
When I bought mine, it came with an organic friction material, - much better than the sintered bronze ones of the time. But for some mysterious reasons hidden for me, I have never been able to find this  plate separately.
I don't know about the latest sintered bronze type, the so called MIBA.
Could it be that the MIBA plate is a couple mm thicker than the previous 6mm plates ?
Anyway,- it should not cause you this kind of problems, even if you can solve it by fabricating a longer pushrod.
 It would be interesting to know what`s wrong !

 Cheers  
                 //Ben

Dick:
What Ben Say.  :+1

If the newer plates are thicker, without any modification to any other components of the clutch,(by RAM), this could explain the recessed pushrod and plunger assembly. Maybe if the new disc wears, (in typical sintered bronze manner), it will adjust itself in no time at all. ;D  I know,not really the answer your looking for. Maybe a better answer will come along. Good luck.

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