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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: sdcr on January 16, 2019, 11:45:04 AM
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This Tonti frame SP looks in to be in pretty nice shape. Maybe a perfect winter project for someone here.
https://washingtondc.craigslist.org/nva/mcy/d/ashburn-80-moto-guzzi-1000sp/6796193569.html
(https://i.ibb.co/bRdPhND/image.jpg) (https://ibb.co/bRdPhND)
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I just sent the seller an email. Since I don't need another bike the price would have to be really right. As non-running at or near 2K is steep IMHO.
We'll see.
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I just sent the seller an email. Since I don't need another bike the price would have to be really right. As non-running at or near 2K is steep IMHO.
We'll see.
That's about as nice a non running bike as I've seen on the block however. Of course, not knowing what the issue is poses problems.
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I like that bike! If it were closer to me where I could see it in person, I think I would buy it.I Have always wanted a round head tonti, with that type of fairing. :thumb:
Rick.
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There's another in the Guzzi classifieds. No connection to the seller...or the cellar :shocked:
http://www.mgnoc.com/classifieds.html
(https://i.ibb.co/svL3xGt/00-I0-I-l-Y8-HVll1w-A6-1200x900.jpg) (https://ibb.co/svL3xGt)
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If it was 1500 miles of California I'd be all over it.
A 5,000 mile trip with snow for one bike is just a little to far for me.
Mark
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Good thing it's not in Wisconsin :thewife: If it has compression that's a steal.
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Talked with the seller and have a meeting lined up.
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:thumb: Should be easy to get on the road. Even if you don't. Parting it out would recover the cost of the purchase. :shocked: Hope you get it on the road. Gotta ask him if he has the lowers.
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Yep, I'd give 2 large for it in a heartbeat. Had one just like it that I gave 18 hunnerd for back in the day. Great bike. This one's much nicer, has all the stuff. Probably have it running in a couple of hours. Or less..
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With the stock fairing, it'll lengthen your riding season. You'll get better gas mileage.......wait should I sell mine???? :embarrassed: It's in PHX and runs......
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That's great, hope it works out.
Talked with the seller and have a meeting lined up.
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I just sent the seller an email. Since I don't need another bike the price would have to be really right. As non-running at or near 2K is steep IMHO.
We'll see.
You must be the reason he hasn't responded to my e-mail, I e-mailed him about 5pm EST yesterday with no response.
Since you don't need another bike and it IS non-running with potentially a HOST of internal problems at that mileage, be assured that it would go to a nice home on this board if you feel like walking away.
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I just sent the seller an email. Since I don't need another bike the price would have to be really right. As non-running at or near 2K is steep IMHO.
We'll see.
"....need...."
That's a strange word to use in the context of buying motorcycles! I can't wrap my mind around it somehow. I looked in the Urban Dictionary but couldn't find it.
Lannis
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"....need...."
That's a strange word to use in the context of buying motorcycles! I can't wrap my mind around it somehow. I looked in the Urban Dictionary but couldn't find it.
Lannis
+1
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It's gone now.
That photo doesn't look right for the time of year.
I wonder if Perazzimx got it, or if it might have been a scam.
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Well the wife an drove down to see the SP late this afternoon and damned if it didn't followed me home. Its in really nice shape.
It came with a set of new Pirelli Sport Demon tires, lower fairings, a bunch of misc. Brembo brake parts (NIB), Dyna ignition, sump spacer, Bub exhaust, some sort of progressive rear socks and a copy of Guzziology.
Clean clear title in the sellers name. lights all work and the best part is I got it home and after about 30 seconds of intermittently holding the starter button down it ran on the right cylinder. So for now its a semi runner not non-running.
Price??????
Sorry I don't kiss and tell.
sdcr,
Thank you for posting :thumb:
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"....need...."
That's a strange word to use in the context of buying motorcycles! I can't wrap my mind around it somehow. I looked in the Urban Dictionary but couldn't find it.
Lannis
There were times when I "needed" a project bike to keep my saving account from getting out of control.
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:thumb: :thumb: :thumb: Possible corrosion on the hot lead under the tank going to the coils.
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He shoots.. and he SCORES.. :grin: Sounds like an easy fix on a great sport tourer..
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Congrats, hope it ends up running, as good as it looks..
Well the wife an drove down to see the SP late this afternoon and damned if it didn't followed me home. Its in really nice shape.
It came with a set of new Pirelli Sport Demon tires, lower fairings, a bunch of misc. Brembo brake parts (NIB), Dyna ignition, sump spacer, Bub exhaust, some sort of progressive rear socks and a copy of Guzziology.
Clean clear title in the sellers name. lights all work and the best part is I got it home and after about 30 seconds of intermittently holding the starter button down it ran on the right cylinder. So for now its a semi runner not non-running.
Price??????
Sorry I don't kiss and tell.
sdcr,
Thank you for posting :thumb:
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:thumb: :thumb: :thumb: Possible corrosion on the hot lead under the tank going to the coils.
Quickly checking last night no spark to the left cylinder. I'll have some time this weekend to dig into things and hopefully have it up and running in short order. I'll also change all the fluids (even thought he oil looked new) just so I know when they were donw and with what product.
Rear brake pedal seems mushy so I'll also dig into that
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When did Guzzi drop the chrome bores? Would this bike have nikasil?
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It is a Nikasil engine. At least my '83 SP was.
Larry
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When did Guzzi drop the chrome bores? Would this bike have nikasil?
Around 1978 ish
Loop frame bikes and Tonti 850T and T3's had chrome bores
850 Lemans had iron bores
1000cc roundhead motors never had chrome bores. Most were iron liners.
Small block Tonti;'s had Nigasil plated cylinders from the beginning of their manufacture.
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Wicked nice score Perazzimx14, good for you.
My very first Guzzi was an '80 SP, same livery, rode that bugger for 60+ K miles, sold it to a riding buddy and that was His first Guzzi. Pretty cool.
Enjoy,
Rob
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Wow.
See? I go away for a few days and I miss the one great deal I Effing "NEED".....
That's an assembled match to the one I have disassembled on the floor of my garage, AND it would be cheaper to buy that then to assemble the one in boxes
Don't know the price, but sounds like a coil and spark lines, tune up I betcha it'll go 200k....
Go Team Guzzi!
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It is a Nikasil engine. At least my '83 SP was.
Larry
I worked on an '81 German market SP back in 2010 and it had Nigusil, the earliest big-block I'd seen so fitted from the factory.
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Congrats to you, my friend, I was again a few hours late.
But also thanks to SDCR for the posting, it's brother's like you that create visibility to gems like this when they come up. Snagged my '71 Ambo "Police" project that way, although I was willing to GLADLY pawn that off on some other pigeon to wheel away this SP.
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Brider,
Thanks for the comment. I'm happy to see another Wildguzzi member benefit from my CL addiction :thumb:
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Congrats. Looking forward to your updates. :thumb:
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Come on cough it up, where are the photos?make me jealous............ . :popcorn:
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Come on cough it up, where are the photos?make me jealous............ . :popcorn:
Well it up on the lift with the gas tank off trying to dignose why one coil isn't firing.
Both Dyna coils Ohm out to 3. The resistance through each plug wire to the cap is close to the same 4.4. and 4.7 ohms
Wiring seems to be correct at the coils still no spark at the left cylinder.
Green from the dist to the + of left cylinder coil.
Red from the dist to the + on the right cylinder coil.
Blue/black jumper from negative on left cylinder coil to right coil negative.
White ignition wire to negative on the right cylinder jumpered together with the blue/blck jumper
(https://i.ibb.co/swvgYVK/IMG-2950.jpg) (https://ibb.co/swvgYVK)
Right cylinder coil (have spark)
Primary side 3.4ohms
Plug wire to + on primary side 14.2 kilo ohms
Plug cap to + on primary side 18.9 kilo ohms
Left cylinder coil (no psark)
Primary side 3.5ohms
Plug wire to + on primary side 14 kilo ohms
Plug cap to + on primary side 18.4 kilo ohms
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Dyna electronic ignition or points?
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Dyna electronic ignition or points?
Points and the left cylinder (green) were totally shut. Opened them up to 016" and reset the right side as well as they were about 018" hit the starter and the SP1000 is now gone from a non-runner, partial runner and now runner.
Its still dies when the chokes are released so later today a through cleaning in PineSol is what the doctor has ordered. Other good new is I slipped it into gear while running and the rear wheel goes round and round w/o any strange noises :thumb:
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Come on cough it up, where are the photos?make me jealous............ . :popcorn:
Some quickies:
(https://i.ibb.co/x3fMNyd/SP1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/x3fMNyd)
(https://i.ibb.co/vYj990M/SP2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/vYj990M)
(https://i.ibb.co/KbysK23/SP3.jpg) (https://ibb.co/KbysK23)
(https://i.ibb.co/8DrpWCx/SP4.jpg) (https://ibb.co/8DrpWCx)
(https://i.ibb.co/WzMb6xz/SP5.jpg) (https://ibb.co/WzMb6xz)
(https://i.ibb.co/PwPvHXQ/SP6.jpg) (https://ibb.co/PwPvHXQ)
(https://i.ibb.co/JkgthwV/SP7.jpg) (https://ibb.co/JkgthwV)
(https://i.ibb.co/HTRjfRS/SP1000.jpg) (https://ibb.co/HTRjfRS)
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I have a pair of repairable lower fairings (red) that I'd let go cheap...
Larry
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Come on cough it up, where are the photos?make me jealous............ . :popcorn:
I saw the original photos in the CL ad (I was a few hours too late....), and Perazzimx14 should be ASHAMED of himself, even if he gave the guy full price. :azn: A bike in that condition could not have had anything significant wrong with it. I vote it as the SCORE-of-2019, even though it's only January, waiting to be out-done.
The seller mentioned in the ad that he had other "modern" bikes, maybe he had no idea what points were??
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This has been an interesting thread! Way to go with bringing it back to life! Sits in guy's garage for ages ... Perazzimx14 gets it running in a couple of days. :thumb:
Are you planning on doing normal maintenance and checks and then rack up some miles? Or are you thinking of some sort of restoring work? It looks great in the pics.
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I saw the original photos in the CL ad (I was a few hours too late....), and Perazzimx14 should be ASHAMED of himself, even if he gave the guy full price. :azn: A bike in that condition could not have had anything significant wrong with it. I vote it as the SCORE-of-2019, even though it's only January, waiting to be out-done.
The seller mentioned in the ad that he had other "modern" bikes, maybe he had no idea what points were??
If you are a member of ADV Rider here is a link to the previous owners trial and tribulations trying to get the SP up and running.
https://advrider.com/f/threads/borrowed-trouble-a-guzzi-story.217874/
The seller now has a Stelvio.
He spent about about a 11-1/2 yeas on/off fooling with the SP and I guess it was finally time to let it go.
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This has been an interesting thread! Way to go with bringing it back to life! Sits in guy's garage for ages ... Perazzimx14 gets it running in a couple of days. :thumb:
Are you planning on doing normal maintenance and checks and then rack up some miles? Or are you thinking of some sort of restoring work? It looks great in the pics.
I'll only do mainnenace and fixes to make it an good reliable daily runner. I'm more of a revival sort than a restoration type.
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If you are a member of ADV Rider here is a link to the previous owners trial and tribulations trying to get the SP up and running.
https://advrider.com/f/threads/borrowed-trouble-a-guzzi-story.217874/
The seller now has a Stelvio.
He spent about about a 11-1/2 yeas on/off fooling with the SP and I guess it was finally time to let it go.
I'll read the ADV rider history because I like that kind of stuff, but can you be a spoiler and tell us that within those 7+ pages of entries, did he ever set the point gap?
On post #34 someone mentioned to check the point gap, and he replied that he hadn't "checked the timing, it ran when parked...".
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He never mentioned setting the gap.
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The .018' gap might have been necessary to get both cylinders timed correctly. Sometimes it's necessary (unless the points plate is modified) to "fudge" the gaps. Check the timing, you might find it's not even close at the "correct" point gaps.
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I guess what I'm getting at, is that it is amazing, and I feel heartbroken for the bike and the previous owner, that in all those years of investigation, he may never have done step 1 or 2 in "Troubleshooting a points engine 101" and set the point gap. That almost sounds something like I'D do.
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The .018' gap might have been necessary to get both cylinders timed correctly. Sometimes it's necessary (unless the points plate is modified) to "fudge" the gaps. Check the timing, you might find it's not even close at the "correct" point gaps.
Checking timing is on the to do list. I have no idea how or why the previos owner had the points for the right cylinder set where they were.
I guess what I'm getting at, is that it is amazing, and I feel heartbroken for the bike and the previous owner, that in all those years of investigation, he may never have done step 1 or 2 in "Troubleshooting a points engine 101" and set the point gap. That almost sounds something like I'D do.
Its harder than not to start in the middle and not at the beginning when troubleshooting. Heck even yesterday I posted about the coils checking out but still no spark. As soon as I took the cap off the distriburtor and rolled the motor over it became as obvious as the bike sitting before me. I know better and should have started at the distribrburtor and worked towards the coils.
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He spent about about a 11-1/2 yeas on/off fooling with the SP and I guess it was finally time to let it go.
I guess it *is* rocket science to some.. :smiley:
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I have a pair of repairable lower fairings (red) that I'd let go cheap...
Larry
It came with the other parts.
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I saw that ad come and go and am glad someone on the board got it. The guy is only 10 min from my house and had the exact same ad up last summer with the same pics.
Steve
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The guy is only 10 min from my house and had the exact same ad up last summer with the same pics.
You're kidding. :shocked: Nobody bought that gem last summer?? Same price?
For all I know, it could have been 10 min from me also and I wouldn't have seen it, except in one of my random and sporadic searches. Is there some way to establish an automatic daily scour of nearby CL ads to alert a person?
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I saw that ad come and go and am glad someone on the board got it. The guy is only 10 min from my house and had the exact same ad up last summer with the same pics.
Steve
The way traffic is in that area even if you you live in a townhouse with a shared driveway it take at least 35 minutes to drive next door.
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That ADV Rider history is really interesting to read, now that we know the source of the single-cylinder spark. From a later post:
" just spent the day in the garage with the Guzzi, to no effect. It still runs crazy rich, belching sooty exhaust, backfiring, and basically "running" on one jug. The carbs have been cleaned. The floats--as far as I can tell--are adjusted correctly. Throttle cables are new, and adjusted correctly, or as correct as I can make them on an engine that doesn't run.
Tomorrow I have other plans. Monday I will turn my attention to things electrical. I know even less about electrics and timing than I do about carbs. I do have a timing strobe though, and will put it to use (as soon as I learn how).
:baldy "
With the backfiring and running on (1) cyl, the author and contributors are still focused primarily on the carbs, valves, and fuel. I am trying to learn something about troubleshooting thought processes for use the next time I run into similar problems. Good read.
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From the ADV Rider thread. ?
Very nice bike.
I assuming the threads were repaired. Prior to finding the thread on ADV Rider I had both plugs out and they both tightened back up.
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How many times do I have to say that carburation problems are generally ignition? :smiley:
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Curious why he gave up on the Dyna ignition and went back to points. Anyway, good luck on the next steps ...
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Dyna had a bad run for their boxes.
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Worked on the SP a little more this morning. I spent some time this morning gapping and setting the points at static timing and the bike starts much easier and takes fuel when given throttle like its supposed too. I took it out for a maiden voyage down the street and there is sill some backfiring/bog at 1/2 throttle but after or before that throttle position it runs decent. At some point I need to make a piston stop and verify TCD is correct on the fly wheel. Maybe later today if I get ambitious
I have a couple of boxes goodies in transit one being a Dyna III so I'm not going to invest a ton of time on the points at this point.
Its been probably 3 years since I rode a carbed big block and I forgot how agricultural the transmission was :shocked:
It was nice to hear the music pouring out the Bubs :thumb:
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+1 :thumb: