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Title: What’s a super clean needs nothing convert 1000 go for?
Post by: Gusable on May 22, 2022, 07:18:15 PM
I’ve some jingle in my pocket and considering another vintage goose. Always liked a conv 1000. What’s a well sorted one sell for nowadays? I want all the issues addressed already thanks. Gus
Title: Re: What’s a super clean needs nothing convert 1000 go for?
Post by: fotoguzzi on May 23, 2022, 04:00:33 PM
I’d want to pay about $2500 but the seller probably wants $3500-4,000. This one ready to ride at GoMoto in Minneapolis selling y my friend Marty. I think it was listed for $3200 but not sure of that price.
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(https://i.ibb.co/TK24hXC/9-CE6929-E-198-D-4185-8-C7-D-DA18-ECB345-B4.jpg) (https://ibb.co/TK24hXC)

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Title: Re: What’s a super clean needs nothing convert 1000 go for?
Post by: Dave Swanson on May 23, 2022, 04:08:50 PM
Or you could buy a project bike for $1800 and drop 3K or so into the restoration.  At least that's what I am doing!   :boozing:

When I am done I will have 5k into a bike I can sell for 3K.   :grin:
Title: Re: What’s a super clean needs nothing convert 1000 go for?
Post by: Bulldog9 on May 23, 2022, 05:23:47 PM
Easy $10K............. That's what I am telling Mrs Bulldog......  :evil: :cool:


(https://i.ibb.co/ynS6rYq/IMG-20200513-144255774.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ynS6rYq)


She looked good at 10 feet but paint needed refresh, so this is coming along with a polished rear fender, chrome crash bars and SS brake lines......


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Kidding aside, is what you are willing to spend and seller is willing to sell. I paid $4500 for mine 2 years ago, and was mechanically perfect. Everything worked 100%, FAC air forks, Ikon shocks, etc. I did a refresh, new wiring harness, removed windjammer & Barcalounger seat & rack (available for sale)  this was how I bought it. Did I overspend? Maybe on a cashflow/investment basis, but I always wanted one, and absolutely love it. Would do it again. Good luck on your search!



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Title: Re: What’s a super clean needs nothing convert 1000 go for?
Post by: Gusable on May 23, 2022, 07:02:48 PM
Thanks for the replies. I’d go 4-4500 for a nice one!
Title: Re: What’s a super clean needs nothing convert 1000 go for?
Post by: Turin on May 23, 2022, 09:26:02 PM
That bagger with the red and gold pinstriping is a sweet looking ride.
Title: Re: What’s a super clean needs nothing convert 1000 go for?
Post by: Kiwi_Roy on May 23, 2022, 10:17:08 PM
I paid just over CDN$3000 US$2,340 for a low milage 13,000 one but it needed new brakes and the wiring around the bars had been chopped around, a previous owner had no right arm so he swapped everything to the left side, Im probably into it for about $4,500 Canadian now and loving it,
Title: Re: What’s a super clean needs nothing convert 1000 go for?
Post by: wymple on May 23, 2022, 11:21:19 PM
Or you could buy a project bike for $1800 and drop 3K or so into the restoration.  At least that's what I am doing!   :boozing:

When I am done I will have 5k into a bike I can sell for 3K.   :grin:

And it will be worth every dime you shell out.
Title: Re: What’s a super clean needs nothing convert 1000 go for?
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on May 24, 2022, 05:35:56 AM
Thanks for the replies. I’d go 4-4500 for a nice one!

You should be able to find one for that. Eventually.
Title: Re: What’s a super clean needs nothing convert 1000 go for?
Post by: jkguzzi on May 24, 2022, 06:13:48 AM
Quote
Easy $10K............. That's what I am telling Mrs Bulldog

If I was to ride again I would pay $10K for this Convert. Checked both boxes, DB bags and Windjammer. Best Guzzi I owned was a Convert.
Title: Re: What’s a super clean needs nothing convert 1000 go for?
Post by: chuck peterson on May 24, 2022, 06:23:02 AM
Several months ago there were 3-4 floating around for sale.

Now that you’ve said outloud you want one, they’ll be unobtanium…

Typical… :thumb:
Title: Re: What’s a super clean needs nothing convert 1000 go for?
Post by: twodogs on May 24, 2022, 07:10:25 AM
Hey Gusable, where are you located? I picked up my 77 last year for 3500 and I had to do almost 1000 miles round trip to bring it home, I had to do some work on it and it don't look like some of the work that masters on this forum are capable of but it runs and doesn't use oil or leaks and it is a joy to ride, so just as mine sits I wouldn't let it go for less than 5000, and if I could get Dave to make mine look like his I would drop everything and haul it to him today  :boozing:
Bruce
(https://i.ibb.co/PGdYHY7/20210607-091513.jpg) (https://ibb.co/PGdYHY7)

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Title: Re: What’s a super clean needs nothing convert 1000 go for?
Post by: Gusable on May 24, 2022, 10:53:14 AM
Love the replies thanks much. Yeah if one pops up before a Calvin or a pc800 I’ll pounce!
Title: Re: What’s a super clean needs nothing convert 1000 go for?
Post by: JJ on May 24, 2022, 11:05:16 AM
Or you could buy a project bike for $1800 and drop 3K or so into the restoration.  At least that's what I am doing!   :boozing:

When I am done I will have 5k into a bike I can sell for 3K.   :grin:

That pretty much sums it all up!! :laugh: :grin: :wink: :rolleyes: :shocked: :huh: :wink: :thumb: :bow: :boozing:
Title: Re: What’s a super clean needs nothing convert 1000 go for?
Post by: Cam3512 on May 24, 2022, 01:26:55 PM
Where are you located?  I know of one in NJ.
Title: Re: What’s a super clean needs nothing convert 1000 go for?
Post by: bigbikerrick on May 24, 2022, 02:14:21 PM
All this talk about Converts, and the pretty pictures,sure has me missing my Cal II automatic, big time!  I should never have sold that bike. It was so sweet as a sidecar tug, and all around daily rider.  :thumb:
Rick.
Title: Re: What’s a super clean needs nothing convert 1000 go for?
Post by: Ncdan on May 24, 2022, 02:26:22 PM
If anyone goes wish you build a Convert and won’t like to use a Vetter fairing, I have one I’d give someone.
Just send me a PM if interested.
 
Title: Re: What’s a super clean needs nothing convert 1000 go for?
Post by: vintagehoarder on May 24, 2022, 02:51:45 PM
I have been toying wwith parting with mine for more room in the Garage.  Not sure I can part with it yet, but was thinking around $3800.00 if that is of interest.  Prety well sorted out and nioce for it's age in Louisville, KY.  PM me if interested.

1984 California II Convert
*      New Cam Chain and chain tensioner
•   Rebuilt ATF pump with specially hardened hex drive socket
•   Enduralast charging system
•   C5 optical ignition system with adjustable advance
•   Rebuilt and re-jetted carburetors
•   Lots of new wiring throughout
•   Completely new brake system, with new master cylinders, new (upgraded) Brembo F08 single bleed calipers, stainless steel and NiCu brake lines
•   New IKON rear shocks
•   Rebuilt Forks with new seals, springs, and FAC cartridges
•   LED lights throughout (headlight, tail/brake light, signals, instrument lights)
•   New wheel bearings and tires with about 800 miles on them
•   New steering head bearings
•   New swingarm bearings and carrier bearings
•   U-Joint rebuilt by jchicoine@verizon.net
•   Fresh Fluids throughout
•   New Fuel Taps, and lines
•   New ATF lines/clamps throughout
•      450W Endurlast III Alternator kit

(https://photos.smugmug.com/1984-Moto-Guzzi-California-II-Convert/i-DNB3qLr/0/561c4d48/M/1984%20Moto%20Guzzi%20Califfornia%20II%20Convert%20%283%29-M.jpg) (https://curtedwards.smugmug.com/1984-Moto-Guzzi-California-II-Convert/i-DNB3qLr/A)

More Pics
https://curtedwards.smugmug.com/1984-Moto-Guzzi-California-II-Convert/ (https://curtedwards.smugmug.com/1984-Moto-Guzzi-California-II-Convert/)



Title: Re: What’s a super clean needs nothing convert 1000 go for?
Post by: Cam3512 on May 24, 2022, 03:14:44 PM
I have been toying wwith parting with mine for more room in the Garage.  Not sure I can part with it yet, but was thinking around $3800.00 if that is of interest.  Prety well sorted out and nioce for it's age in Louisville, KY.  PM me if interested.

1984 California II Convert
*      New Cam Chain and chain tensioner
•   Rebuilt ATF pump with specially hardened hex drive socket
•   Enduralast charging system
•   C5 optical ignition system with adjustable advance
•   Rebuilt and re-jetted carburetors
•   Lots of new wiring throughout
•   Completely new brake system, with new master cylinders, new (upgraded) Brembo F08 single bleed calipers, stainless steel and NiCu brake lines
•   New IKON rear shocks
•   Rebuilt Forks with new seals, springs, and FAC cartridges
•   LED lights throughout (headlight, tail/brake light, signals, instrument lights)
•   New wheel bearings and tires with about 800 miles on them
•   New steering head bearings
•   New swingarm bearings and carrier bearings
•   U-Joint rebuilt by jchicoine@verizon.net
•   Fresh Fluids throughout
•   New Fuel Taps, and lines
•   New ATF lines/clamps throughout
•      450W Endurlast III Alternator kit

(https://photos.smugmug.com/1984-Moto-Guzzi-California-II-Convert/i-DNB3qLr/0/561c4d48/M/1984%20Moto%20Guzzi%20Califfornia%20II%20Convert%20%283%29-M.jpg) (https://curtedwards.smugmug.com/1984-Moto-Guzzi-California-II-Convert/i-DNB3qLr/A)

More Pics
https://curtedwards.smugmug.com/1984-Moto-Guzzi-California-II-Convert/ (https://curtedwards.smugmug.com/1984-Moto-Guzzi-California-II-Convert/)

Oh DAMN Curt, that’s nice.
Title: Re: What’s a super clean needs nothing convert 1000 go for?
Post by: fotoguzzi on May 24, 2022, 04:12:55 PM


This right here is a STEAL,


I have been toying wwith parting with mine for more room in the Garage.  Not sure I can part with it yet, but was thinking around $3800.00 if that is of interest.  Prety well sorted out and nioce for it's age in Louisville, KY.  PM me if interested.

1984 California II Convert
*      New Cam Chain and chain tensioner
•   Rebuilt ATF pump with specially hardened hex drive socket
•   Enduralast charging system
•   C5 optical ignition system with adjustable advance
•   Rebuilt and re-jetted carburetors
•   Lots of new wiring throughout
•   Completely new brake system, with new master cylinders, new (upgraded) Brembo F08 single bleed calipers, stainless steel and NiCu brake lines
•   New IKON rear shocks
•   Rebuilt Forks with new seals, springs, and FAC cartridges
•   LED lights throughout (headlight, tail/brake light, signals, instrument lights)
•   New wheel bearings and tires with about 800 miles on them
•   New steering head bearings
•   New swingarm bearings and carrier bearings
•   U-Joint rebuilt by jchicoine@verizon.net
•   Fresh Fluids throughout
•   New Fuel Taps, and lines
•   New ATF lines/clamps throughout
•      450W Endurlast III Alternator kit

(https://photos.smugmug.com/1984-Moto-Guzzi-California-II-Convert/i-DNB3qLr/0/561c4d48/M/1984%20Moto%20Guzzi%20Califfornia%20II%20Convert%20%283%29-M.jpg) (https://curtedwards.smugmug.com/1984-Moto-Guzzi-California-II-Convert/i-DNB3qLr/A)

More Pics
https://curtedwards.smugmug.com/1984-Moto-Guzzi-California-II-Convert/ (https://curtedwards.smugmug.com/1984-Moto-Guzzi-California-II-Convert/)
Title: Re: What’s a super clean needs nothing convert 1000 go for?
Post by: Bulldog9 on May 24, 2022, 06:13:51 PM
Fixed it for you  :cool:

I have been toying wwith parting with mine for more room in the Garage.  Not sure I can part with it yet, but was thinking around $13800.00 if that is of interest.  Prety well sorted out and nioce for it's age in Louisville, KY.  PM me if interested.

1984 California II Convert
*      New Cam Chain and chain tensioner
•   Rebuilt ATF pump with specially hardened hex drive socket
•   Enduralast charging system
•   C5 optical ignition system with adjustable advance
•   Rebuilt and re-jetted carburetors
•   Lots of new wiring throughout
•   Completely new brake system, with new master cylinders, new (upgraded) Brembo F08 single bleed calipers, stainless steel and NiCu brake lines
•   New IKON rear shocks
•   Rebuilt Forks with new seals, springs, and FAC cartridges
•   LED lights throughout (headlight, tail/brake light, signals, instrument lights)
•   New wheel bearings and tires with about 800 miles on them
•   New steering head bearings
•   New swingarm bearings and carrier bearings
•   U-Joint rebuilt by jchicoine@verizon.net
•   Fresh Fluids throughout
•   New Fuel Taps, and lines
•   New ATF lines/clamps throughout
•      450W Endurlast III Alternator kit

(https://photos.smugmug.com/1984-Moto-Guzzi-California-II-Convert/i-DNB3qLr/0/561c4d48/M/1984%20Moto%20Guzzi%20Califfornia%20II%20Convert%20%283%29-M.jpg) (https://curtedwards.smugmug.com/1984-Moto-Guzzi-California-II-Convert/i-DNB3qLr/A)

More Pics
https://curtedwards.smugmug.com/1984-Moto-Guzzi-California-II-Convert/ (https://curtedwards.smugmug.com/1984-Moto-Guzzi-California-II-Convert/)

LOL Kidding.  That is a steal for anyone wanting a magic carpet ride...... All kidding aside, I'd be looking for at least $6K for one that clean with those upgrades. That would be quite the blessing for a forum member, but I think you are shorting yourself unless there are issues with the Cal II platform I am unaware of.
Title: Re: What’s a super clean needs nothing convert 1000 go for?
Post by: Gusable on May 24, 2022, 08:09:09 PM
Sorry for the slow response. I’ve been slammed here. I’m in Dallas texas. Vintage hoarder pm sent!
Title: Re: What’s a super clean needs nothing convert 1000 go for?
Post by: spmoto on May 24, 2022, 09:52:34 PM
PM sent. Getting in line behind gusable just in case. This would make a great 50th wedding anniversary present to me and my bride. I just got 2 new hips on the 11th so this would be a  perfect way to break back into riding later in the year. 
Steve M
Title: Re: What’s a super clean needs nothing convert 1000 go for?
Post by: Gusable on May 24, 2022, 09:57:09 PM
If it’s for sale I want it and have cold crisp American cash ( while it’s still any good) lol
Title: Re: What’s a super clean needs nothing convert 1000 go for?
Post by: vintagehoarder on May 25, 2022, 06:58:36 AM
That;s basically what I have in it, I wnat it to go to a good home that will love it!
Title: Re: What’s a super clean needs nothing convert 1000 go for?
Post by: Gusable on May 25, 2022, 07:59:37 AM
I’ve got a loving home here that it will be cherished and well cared for!
Title: Re: What’s a super clean needs nothing convert 1000 go for?
Post by: Gusable on May 25, 2022, 08:01:09 AM
Curt check your inbox. I sent pm. But I didn’t save copy for myself.  Make sure it went through. Thanks gus
Title: Re: What’s a super clean needs nothing convert 1000 go for?
Post by: spmoto on May 25, 2022, 08:23:12 AM
Congrats Gus. Looks like you got yourself a nice one, like most of Curts bikes. Let me know if you get cold feet.
Steve M
Title: Re: What’s a super clean needs nothing convert 1000 go for?
Post by: Gusable on May 25, 2022, 08:39:34 AM
I’ve got my wool socks on!!!
Title: Re: What’s a super clean needs nothing convert 1000 go for?
Post by: vintagehoarder on May 25, 2022, 11:11:14 AM
Curt check your inbox. I sent pm. But I didn’t save copy for myself.  Make sure it went through. Thanks gus

Nothing there, I am out of town will be back in town tomorrow.
Title: Re: What’s a super clean needs nothing convert 1000 go for?
Post by: Gusable on May 25, 2022, 11:37:24 AM
Ok I’ll resend. Ttyl. Thank you sir.
Title: Re: What’s a super clean needs nothing convert 1000 go for?
Post by: wymple on May 25, 2022, 11:09:36 PM
I have been toying wwith parting with mine for more room in the Garage.  Not sure I can part with it yet, but was thinking around $3800.00 if that is of interest.  Prety well sorted out and nioce for it's age in Louisville, KY.  PM me if interested.

1984 California II Convert
*      New Cam Chain and chain tensioner
•   Rebuilt ATF pump with specially hardened hex drive socket
•   Enduralast charging system
•   C5 optical ignition system with adjustable advance
•   Rebuilt and re-jetted carburetors
•   Lots of new wiring throughout
•   Completely new brake system, with new master cylinders, new (upgraded) Brembo F08 single bleed calipers, stainless steel and NiCu brake lines
•   New IKON rear shocks
•   Rebuilt Forks with new seals, springs, and FAC cartridges
•   LED lights throughout (headlight, tail/brake light, signals, instrument lights)
•   New wheel bearings and tires with about 800 miles on them
•   New steering head bearings
•   New swingarm bearings and carrier bearings
•   U-Joint rebuilt by jchicoine@verizon.net
•   Fresh Fluids throughout
•   New Fuel Taps, and lines
•   New ATF lines/clamps throughout
•      450W Endurlast III Alternator kit

(https://photos.smugmug.com/1984-Moto-Guzzi-California-II-Convert/i-DNB3qLr/0/561c4d48/M/1984%20Moto%20Guzzi%20Califfornia%20II%20Convert%20%283%29-M.jpg) (https://curtedwards.smugmug.com/1984-Moto-Guzzi-California-II-Convert/i-DNB3qLr/A)

More Pics
https://curtedwards.smugmug.com/1984-Moto-Guzzi-California-II-Convert/ (https://curtedwards.smugmug.com/1984-Moto-Guzzi-California-II-Convert/)

I am certainly biased, but the Call II skunk is still the classiest Guzzi ever.
Title: Re: What’s a super clean needs nothing convert 1000 go for?
Post by: Gusable on May 25, 2022, 11:16:12 PM
It’s VERY pretty indeed!!
Title: Re: What’s a super clean needs nothing convert 1000 go for?
Post by: kidsmoke on May 26, 2022, 10:39:54 AM
LOL Kidding.  That is a steal for anyone wanting a magic carpet ride...... All kidding aside, I'd be looking for at least $6K for one that clean with those upgrades. That would be quite the blessing for a forum member, but I think you are shorting yourself unless there are issues with the Cal II platform I am unaware of.

My thoughts exactly. I actually saw this bike a couple weeks ago and it's all that.
Title: Re: What’s a super clean needs nothing convert 1000 go for?
Post by: brider on May 26, 2022, 01:53:32 PM
OMG, THAT  price for THAT Cal II Auto, now why didn't I think of just fishing here casually for a Convert? Or a 1000S? Congrats, Gusable, you just bypassed the deficiencies in the Convert platform (short swingarm, ineffective engine breathing, possible sheet-metal flywheel, non-existent charging system...) and stepped right up to the best you could get (apologies to Convert owners, I've owned several). Except the Convert has a MUCH more comfortable saddle, but hey, you can deal with it....
Title: Re: What’s a super clean needs nothing convert 1000 go for?
Post by: NC Steve on May 26, 2022, 05:24:40 PM
Put me in 3rd, behind Gusable and spmoto, should either change their minds.
I can bring cash and pick up at your earliest convenience, when and wherever that may be. :cool:
Title: Re: What’s a super clean needs nothing convert 1000 go for?
Post by: Cam3512 on May 26, 2022, 05:54:55 PM
If Gus is smart, Curt would already have his money and a flight is booked. 
Title: Re: What’s a super clean needs nothing convert 1000 go for?
Post by: Gusable on May 26, 2022, 08:09:26 PM
The deal is in the works pending a jenga piece or two being put in place :cool:
Title: Re: What’s a super clean needs nothing convert 1000 go for?
Post by: NC Steve on May 26, 2022, 09:28:14 PM
The deal is in the works pending a jenga piece or two being put in place :cool:

Congrats, and best of luck working out the details!  :thumb:
Title: Re: What’s a super clean needs nothing convert 1000 go for?
Post by: vintagehoarder on May 27, 2022, 06:11:02 PM
For the record ran it by Deb and had no idea she was as attached to the Cal II as she was, and she was totallly against us getting rid of it.  So guess we're going to hold on to it for bit more.  Sorrry for any confusion, but happy moto wife, happy life.
Title: Re: What’s a super clean needs nothing convert 1000 go for?
Post by: Bulldog9 on May 27, 2022, 08:41:28 PM
For the record ran it by Deb and had no idea she was as attached to the Cal II as she was, and she was totallly against us getting rid of it.  So guess we're going to hold on to it for bit more.  Sorrry for any confusion, but happy moto wife, happy life.

They are BOTH keepers!
Title: Re: What’s a super clean needs nothing convert 1000 go for?
Post by: vintagehoarder on May 30, 2022, 09:44:17 AM
They are BOTH keepers!

Agreed
Title: Re: What’s a super clean needs nothing convert 1000 go for?
Post by: Gusable on May 30, 2022, 09:16:05 PM
Worked out great for everyone. I got a as nice or nicer bike for less money! Everyone wins
Title: Re: What’s a super clean needs nothing convert 1000 go for?
Post by: Bulldog9 on May 30, 2022, 09:19:45 PM
Worked out great for everyone. I got a as nice or nicer bike for less money! Everyone wins

 :popcorn:
Title: Re: What’s a super clean needs nothing convert 1000 go for?
Post by: Gusable on May 30, 2022, 09:37:13 PM
New steed is top secret until she’s home.  Full write up will be posted. Stay tuned
Title: Re: What’s a super clean needs nothing convert 1000 go for?
Post by: chuck peterson on May 31, 2022, 05:05:19 AM
 :popcorn:

I’m telling yuh, we should stop buying bikes and trade them amongst ourselves…some regional location you can ride into, park your Guzzi, walk around checking them out, and try another….

“Thanks for the cal3 mike, out for two weeks..”

“That’s great Sarge, I’m using Sam’s SPNT for awhile…”

“I’m wondering if there’s another Breva w bags on it…”

“Steve brought one in last week when he borrowed the Sporti..”

Title: Re: What’s a super clean needs nothing convert 1000 go for?
Post by: Bulldog9 on May 31, 2022, 06:03:47 AM
:popcorn:

I’m telling yuh, we should stop buying bikes and trade them amongst ourselves…some regional location you can ride into, park your Guzzi, walk around checking them out, and try another….

“Thanks for the cal3 mike, out for two weeks..”

“That’s great Sarge, I’m using Sam’s SPNT for awhile…”

“I’m wondering if there’s another Breva w bags on it…”

“Steve brought one in last week when he borrowed the Sporti..”

I'm in.....
Title: Re: What’s a super clean needs nothing convert 1000 go for?
Post by: Bulldog9 on May 31, 2022, 06:04:42 AM
New steed is top secret until she’s home.  Full write up will be posted. Stay tuned

I've never seen a Blue Convert before  :evil:
Title: Re: What’s a super clean needs nothing convert 1000 go for?
Post by: vintagehoarder on May 31, 2022, 08:44:01 AM
Worked out great for everyone. I got a as nice or nicer bike for less money! Everyone wins

Glad to hear it!!
Title: Re: What’s a super clean needs nothing convert 1000 go for?
Post by: Gusable on May 31, 2022, 11:07:40 AM
She’s not a slush box. It’s row your own
Title: Re: What’s a super clean needs nothing convert 1000 go for?
Post by: bigbikerrick on May 31, 2022, 01:21:48 PM
This has been an "interesting" discussion!  :grin: :grin:
Rick.