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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Huzo on June 24, 2020, 03:58:33 AM

Title: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on June 24, 2020, 03:58:33 AM
Youíd think that at the tender age of 7 months the V85 would still have a youthful look, but Iíve not been a huge fan of the predominance of black spread all over the bike.
So to that end and buoyed by Beetleís photo shop image..
(https://i.ibb.co/cyQwW5t/599-D16-FB-42-C1-4132-8-E68-8440-C35-D1-D28.png) (https://ibb.co/cyQwW5t)

bbcode image (https://imgbb.com/)

I have embarked on the work required.
The rims are being polished professionally and Iím doing the other stuff myself. Iíve started by applying paint stripper and itís lifting the black ok, thatíll be followed by a thorough clean and be re done in silver the same colour as the foot peg brackets.
Hereís the carnage so far..
(https://i.ibb.co/9VWnk67/05065-E7-A-3-A6-E-4-C96-AF46-A56724216343.jpg) (https://ibb.co/9VWnk67)

(https://i.ibb.co/0Y2TfND/9-F123875-4-F76-4-C65-885-C-0501-B4515078.jpg) (https://ibb.co/0Y2TfND)

(https://i.ibb.co/zZmjRYq/F47-ADECA-2060-43-E7-922-A-C45561-C70342.jpg) (https://ibb.co/zZmjRYq)
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: tazio on June 24, 2020, 04:28:52 AM
If this comes out half as sweet as your Norge handiwork, you've got another beauty on your hands!
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: twowheeladdict on June 24, 2020, 05:53:04 AM
I didn't think Australia has much of a winter that forces one to stay inside for a few months doing those types of projects.   :thumb:
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on June 24, 2020, 06:13:11 AM
If this comes out half as sweet as your Norge handiwork, you've got another beauty on your hands!
Thanks mate, it should be fun.
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on June 25, 2020, 06:23:13 AM
Spent most of today paint stripping and wire brushing. As well as removing bits for the electroplater.
(https://i.ibb.co/hHFNmrp/4-B675127-23-F6-4-E9-B-9-BC4-9-B077-CD2760-A.jpg) (https://ibb.co/hHFNmrp)

(https://i.ibb.co/QpY8Tcj/1-B2-F823-B-FC76-4-F18-8-B97-6-EC72-E62-F215.jpg) (https://ibb.co/QpY8Tcj)

(https://i.ibb.co/QmtdVBg/4-E9743-DC-5-C2-E-4324-8114-672-B6787036-A.jpg) (https://ibb.co/QmtdVBg)

(https://i.ibb.co/94DxxMv/90-C4-C688-C8-A3-4-A67-986-F-C637-AF957-B4-D.jpg) (https://ibb.co/94DxxMv)

(https://i.ibb.co/SdjfYBL/4-DB490-BE-55-C9-474-F-A32-D-4143-E9-C9-DFCD.jpg) (https://ibb.co/SdjfYBL)

(https://i.ibb.co/qjrQr6n/0-D9-CF274-3-B3-D-4-EA1-99-A4-A9-E62-E4-D6661.jpg) (https://ibb.co/qjrQr6n)

https://youtu.be/61cMv3sv8lM
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Zoom Zoom on June 25, 2020, 06:33:08 AM
I commend you for your effort. The hub really cleaned up nice! I think the bike will look great when you're finished. Much more than I would be willing to do. :popcorn:

John Henry
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on June 25, 2020, 06:34:48 AM
I commend you for your effort. The hub really cleaned up nice! I think the bike will look great when you're finished. Much more than I would be willing to do. :popcorn:

John Henry
Itíll just drive me (more) mad if I donít...
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: bad Chad on June 25, 2020, 11:19:58 AM
Huzo, you are out of your gourd!
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on June 25, 2020, 01:47:25 PM
Huzo, you are out of your gourd!
?
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: rutgery on June 25, 2020, 02:15:51 PM
Wow, working fast! I'm sure it'll turn out great (but still want to see pictures) :thumb:
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: moho66 on June 25, 2020, 02:34:12 PM
?

That means he thinks you're a bit nutty.  I may agree  :laugh:
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Markcarovilli on June 25, 2020, 02:41:43 PM
Peter

it will indeed be a class act when finished.  Can't wait to see it completed.

Mark
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on June 25, 2020, 09:18:57 PM
Peter

it will indeed be a class act when finished.  Can't wait to see it completed.

Mark
i donít know why they painted so much black from the start.
They may have been looking to emulate the Multistrada and such..
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on June 25, 2020, 09:20:52 PM
That means he thinks you're a bit nutty.  I may agree  :laugh:
Wah Moho...(In a Southern Belle accent)
You flatter me Sir....! :kiss:
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Roebling3 on June 25, 2020, 09:30:11 PM
Good on-ya!
I bought one of those ugly as sin racer thingies. The entire charade leaks me off. You have shown me yours. I'll try to show you mine - personally. Luddite only, spoken here.
Good looking wheels; wires especially, looking like jewelry is the ****, if you don't leave town. Otherwise on cast wheels color, carefully chosen, is durable and glare free.
As always, you're fun to watch.  Good fortune,  R3~
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Kiwi_Roy on June 25, 2020, 10:36:25 PM
You realize you will need a polished Aluminium Tail Tidy to go with that.
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on June 26, 2020, 03:19:52 AM
You realize you will need a polished Aluminium Tail Tidy to go with that.
Hmmm.
My partner reckons my tail is passable...(for my age..)
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on June 26, 2020, 03:42:00 AM
Rear hub ready for paint, swingarm not far to go.
(https://i.ibb.co/dJcj2yr/2940-B395-2622-49-CD-AA06-5076-D64-C2-DA9.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dJcj2yr)

(https://i.ibb.co/LZhNn6h/8-F8-DDB11-CB16-4755-9-AE5-53799-D1576-EF.jpg) (https://ibb.co/LZhNn6h)
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Guzzi Gal on June 26, 2020, 06:27:21 AM
Nice!  I'm particularly partial to shiny things. :thumb:
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Zoom Zoom on June 26, 2020, 06:39:16 AM
As nice as those pieces look without paint, one might think thay ought to have left them alone in the first place.  :bow:

Looking forward to seeing the finished product.

John Henry
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on June 26, 2020, 06:50:44 AM
Nice!  I'm particularly partial to shiny things. :thumb:
Oh dear me.... :embarrassed:
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on June 26, 2020, 06:58:19 AM
As nice as those pieces look without paint, one might think thay ought to have left them alone in the first place.  :bow:

Looking forward to seeing the finished product.

John Henry
I cannot understand why they went with the black.
Would you tear the silver off this and do it in black ?
(https://i.ibb.co/rF7QgzW/3213-AB62-9-FCF-4-FFD-82-AB-30-D57867-A01-D.jpg) (https://ibb.co/rF7QgzW)

Or this ?
(https://i.ibb.co/wwXLZn9/030-EA756-F2-A2-4-C38-9628-A40-E7449-C8-DB.jpg) (https://ibb.co/wwXLZn9)
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: averb on June 26, 2020, 10:43:45 PM
I cannot understand why they went with the black.
Would you tear the silver off this and do it in black ?
(https://i.ibb.co/rF7QgzW/3213-AB62-9-FCF-4-FFD-82-AB-30-D57867-A01-D.jpg) (https://ibb.co/rF7QgzW)

Or this ?
(https://i.ibb.co/wwXLZn9/030-EA756-F2-A2-4-C38-9628-A40-E7449-C8-DB.jpg) (https://ibb.co/wwXLZn9)


Personally yes, but that's because I don't chrome/silver and definitely don't have a wire wheel fetish.
Having said that, I think you are doing the right thing by modifying your bike to suit your taste. Well done and as  someone noted above  - you're fun to watch.

Cheers

Steve
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Knuckle Dragger on June 27, 2020, 04:19:44 AM
I like spokes myself.  Back in '82 I ordered my BMW Boxer CS with the (rare & expensive) spoked wheels.  So glad I did.  BMW's cast wheels were made with an aluminium/cheese alloy mix in those days, & were pretty awful when used as a tourer.  Two of my fellow Boxer riding mates ended up damaging 3 alloy fronts between them on highway potholes.  I dented a K100RS alloy rear too.

The rims around my 38 year old spoked wheels are still - to this day - pristine & damage-free.  I put it down to maybe the cushioning effect of the spokes on impact:  i.e. impact force is tranferred away from the solid rim to the more insubtantial spokes, whereas the full impact is absorbed by the rim of cast wheels.

In the same way, I still think I prefer steel sunraysia-style wheels on offroaders (cars, utes, landrovers etc.) to alloys for the same reason.  Steel, too, seems more flexible yet resilient than alloy.  As an aside, many steel wheels are actually lighter than the thicker sectioned alloy wheels usually fitted to offroaders too.  We're not talking about mareshini magnesium racing wheels here, but just el cheapo OEM crap standard fitting alloys.
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: lucky phil on June 27, 2020, 04:28:45 AM
Spent most of today paint stripping and wire brushing. As well as removing bits for the electroplater.
(https://i.ibb.co/hHFNmrp/4-B675127-23-F6-4-E9-B-9-BC4-9-B077-CD2760-A.jpg) (https://ibb.co/hHFNmrp)

(https://i.ibb.co/QpY8Tcj/1-B2-F823-B-FC76-4-F18-8-B97-6-EC72-E62-F215.jpg) (https://ibb.co/QpY8Tcj)

(https://i.ibb.co/QmtdVBg/4-E9743-DC-5-C2-E-4324-8114-672-B6787036-A.jpg) (https://ibb.co/QmtdVBg)

(https://i.ibb.co/94DxxMv/90-C4-C688-C8-A3-4-A67-986-F-C637-AF957-B4-D.jpg) (https://ibb.co/94DxxMv)

(https://i.ibb.co/SdjfYBL/4-DB490-BE-55-C9-474-F-A32-D-4143-E9-C9-DFCD.jpg) (https://ibb.co/SdjfYBL)

(https://i.ibb.co/qjrQr6n/0-D9-CF274-3-B3-D-4-EA1-99-A4-A9-E62-E4-D6661.jpg) (https://ibb.co/qjrQr6n)

https://youtu.be/61cMv3sv8lM

I wish you luck electroplating (I assume you mean Anodising) anything that's cast in this country. last time I tried we didn't have the technology. You can do it but it turns out with a horrible powdery finish and looks awful. The Europeans know how as can be seen on Brembo cast brake calipers and master cylinders, but here not the last time I tried.

Ciao
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Knuckle Dragger on June 27, 2020, 04:32:58 AM
Baked enamel then?
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Zinfan on June 27, 2020, 12:41:40 PM
Quite the project Huzo.  Could I impose on you to take a picture of the swingarm pins and the bearings in the transmission where the swingarm attaches?  My V85 is squeaking and I think I need to remove the swingarm and grease those bearings  but looking at the manual I can't quite figure out what is what.  I took the arm off my V7 a few years ago and it had a similar setup and I remember measuring the distance the pin was inserted into the transmission so that the swingarm was centered but after that I cannot recall much.
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on June 27, 2020, 02:08:01 PM
Quite the project Huzo.  Could I impose on you to take a picture of the swingarm pins and the bearings in the transmission where the swingarm attaches?  My V85 is squeaking and I think I need to remove the swingarm and grease those bearings  but looking at the manual I can't quite figure out what is what.  I took the arm off my V7 a few years ago and it had a similar setup and I remember measuring the distance the pin was inserted into the transmission so that the swingarm was centered but after that I cannot recall much.
I will do that when I get up.
Currently 5 am here.
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: lucky phil on June 27, 2020, 05:57:42 PM
Baked enamel then?
Powder coat or 2 pack would be the go, depends on how much you want to strip it down.Powder coat uses quite high heat which is debatable for aluminium and rubber seals. having said that people powder coat alloy wheels and I believe they use a lower temp powder. The OP needs to discuss with a powder coater.   The other option is wet bead blast and then a clear coat.

Ciao
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on June 27, 2020, 06:44:05 PM
There may be some residual confusion sloshing around in the bilges.
There was never any intention of electroplating the wheel centrestand and swingarm bits, they will be two packed or baked enamel silver like the frames on the GS series Beemers.
The absolute colour I want is this, a blending in of the foot peg mount theme.
(https://i.ibb.co/5k7C39j/8-E027786-2905-45-CF-9619-77-E3-E7-A981-A4.png) (https://ibb.co/5k7C39j)

The electroplating will be for the rear top case rack
(https://i.ibb.co/Bt2Zd3G/85-B1404-E-D245-4-A12-B672-08-DBD1797-BF3.png) (https://ibb.co/Bt2Zd3G)
 and engine protection crash bars, they will be satin Nickel if I can get it but not chrome.
I got a bit of a scare the other day when I added up what this bike owes me...
About $27,000 conservatively...(probably more..)   :rolleyes:
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on June 28, 2020, 04:49:30 AM
Quite the project Huzo.  Could I impose on you to take a picture of the swingarm pins and the bearings in the transmission where the swingarm attaches?  My V85 is squeaking and I think I need to remove the swingarm and grease those bearings  but looking at the manual I can't quite figure out what is what.  I took the arm off my V7 a few years ago and it had a similar setup and I remember measuring the distance the pin was inserted into the transmission so that the swingarm was centered but after that I cannot recall much.
Ok mate..
I took the shots but have selfishly been out on the Norge today, but here they are.
Youíll notice that the pin on the right hand (brake pedal) side is different than the left (gear change side)
(https://i.ibb.co/GVMjpH7/91-B4-BF07-7-BE3-4236-8-F16-826-D4-A46-F04-C.jpg) (https://ibb.co/GVMjpH7)<br /
The right hand one winds in and terminates against an abutment and at this point the spigot is fully engaged in the race.
The left side winds in by means of an Allen key and is nipped up by hand against the race.
The lock nut is the wound on over the head of the pin and thatís it..!
(https://i.ibb.co/3cH56jQ/D7-F81-C02-4-ADD-4-D0-C-BFA7-5-A6-DA2-EB0-C1-E.jpg) (https://ibb.co/3cH56jQ)

(https://i.ibb.co/vJ0JySD/4-B80-F74-A-3-AD0-40-CD-A4-C0-4-FEA85-A4-CDC1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/vJ0JySD)

If you need a shot of the races ,Iíll get you one in the morning
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Zinfan on June 28, 2020, 08:43:43 AM
Thanks for the pictures, seems a bit different than the V7 setup but not by much.  Looking at the diagrams the bearings are sealed types and I'm not sure where my squeak is coming from or if greasing those pins would solve the issue.  I have the bike on the table and will remove the rear wheel and shock which should allow me to move the swingarm up and down and get a sense of how the bearings are holding up.
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: twowheeladdict on June 28, 2020, 08:59:42 AM
Personally yes, but that's because I don't chrome/silver and definitely don't have a wire wheel fetish.
Having said that, I think you are doing the right thing by modifying your bike to suit your taste. Well done and as  someone noted above  - you're fun to watch.

Cheers

Steve

 :thumb:
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on July 03, 2020, 03:32:38 AM
Tomorrow is the beginning of the wheel relacing.
The rear is 2-2 pattern like the Norge so will be relatively easy to achieve.
(https://i.ibb.co/hXnCfCp/9-DC524-A6-C353-44-F2-B4-BB-3-A63-DB142966.png) (https://ibb.co/hXnCfCp)

hd online 2 (https://imgbb.com/)

The hubs have their top coat on and are baking, so should be as hard as the proverbial by morning..
(https://i.ibb.co/bHCPPSP/E5714632-B7-D4-4-D0-C-B957-38-ED4-F3-B0-E01.jpg) (https://ibb.co/bHCPPSP)

Canít wait...!
Also first coat of etch primer on the swingarm-bevelbox and other paraphernalia.
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Kiwi_Roy on July 03, 2020, 05:12:56 AM
Are you going to make the wheels tubeless?
I got good results from Sikaflex 291 Marine sealant.
But I only paid $11 for the regular size tube, I think they may have screwed up and charged the same price as the small toothpaste size.
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on July 03, 2020, 05:34:08 AM
Are you going to make the wheels tubeless?
I got good results from Sikaflex 291 Marine sealant.
But I only paid $11 for the regular size tube, I think they may have screwed up and charged the same price as the small toothpaste size.
Yes mate tubeless it is.
There are 2 new Pilot 5ís to go on. Thanx for the info on the sealant, I was unsure of the best direction there.. :thumb:
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on July 04, 2020, 06:06:46 AM
Got a bit done today.
The silver is in progress but I ran out before completing the bevelbox. Got to here on the wheels so will start truing them tomorrow.
Here they are.
(https://i.ibb.co/LnhJmp8/F1-B70818-9-D18-4916-84-DC-1-A681-C6096-CD.jpg) (https://ibb.co/LnhJmp8)

upload pictures (https://imgbb.com/)
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Zoom Zoom on July 04, 2020, 06:15:28 AM
Dang, Looking good! :thumb: :bow:

John Henry
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on July 04, 2020, 06:23:10 AM
Dang, Looking good! :thumb: :bow:

John Henry
I think it will come out ok..
If I find a Termignoni or Akropovic muffler under the bed, Iíll probably throw that on too. You never know whatís under there... :wink:
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on July 04, 2020, 10:47:53 PM
About to start on the wheels when I get back from Adelaide.
Here is the scene of destruction thus far
(https://i.ibb.co/kSvL713/F8-F62-FB6-E797-4-A0-D-9-C29-2632562475-F2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/kSvL713)

(https://i.ibb.co/smNw7hd/7-FC122-FA-0-FB7-47-D1-80-AB-D62-FF98-DF7-DE.jpg) (https://ibb.co/smNw7hd)

(https://i.ibb.co/WxjC80q/EC9724-FA-40-F2-40-EE-AC68-F0-F5017-A56-C4.jpg) (https://ibb.co/WxjC80q)

(https://i.ibb.co/BnjtWQg/273960-DB-8358-48-EA-9-EA9-9069-A0-D5-E781.jpg) (https://ibb.co/BnjtWQg)

435i 0 60 (https://statewideinventory.org/bmw-0-60-times)

The bevelbox would be on, but I didnít buy enough paint... :embarrassed:
Old mate Baz will do it for me tomorrow... :thumb:
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: janguzzi on July 07, 2020, 03:58:34 PM
We are waiting ...  :grin: :popcorn:
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on July 07, 2020, 05:20:28 PM
So am I mate..
I am returning from an interstate trip in the truck and have not been able to get my grubby paws onto the job. The bevelbox is done now and will be fitted today and I will start to true the wheels. I have the Sikaflex 291 for spoke sealing and the new Pilot 5ís.
The plastic fork guards in the front will get some attention too.
Iím as toey as a Roman sandal...
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Vagrant on July 07, 2020, 06:31:55 PM
GT or trail rd 5?
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: TimmyTheHog on July 07, 2020, 06:46:03 PM
I got nothing to add....except here to enjoy your nutty-ness of a great job! :boozing: :popcorn: :thumb:
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on July 07, 2020, 11:15:37 PM
GT or trail rd 5?
I asked for Pilot Road 5ís and havenít looked at them yet.
They have road tread.
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Chethro on July 08, 2020, 05:56:56 AM
Looking good, if only the engine was silver too... :smiley:
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on July 08, 2020, 07:12:41 AM
Looking good, if only the engine was silver too... :smiley:
I initially thought to do that, but felt that it was a bridge too far.
I would not rule out dropping the sump and doing that the same silver as the other cycle parts.
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on July 08, 2020, 07:33:05 AM
Nice!  I'm particularly partial to shiny things. :thumb:
I just know if I read that comment too many times, Iím bound to say something.....ĒnuttyĒ... :wink:
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on July 08, 2020, 09:36:35 PM
If I could get out of this damn truck and get home, Iíd have the V85 back together and be truing the wheels.
Gone all week, currently country NSW en route to Melbourne.
Hereís the last bit painted.
(https://i.ibb.co/VBhHBD6/75-FC3576-AD12-48-B0-A85-A-F58-BAB91-D92-A.png) (https://ibb.co/VBhHBD6)

CANNOT WAIT to get those wheels done and on.... :thumb:
These things are in for some treatment..
(https://i.ibb.co/9qWdhct/9-D82-BA14-6913-42-A9-9-AD4-567-A14-D35-E98.png) (https://ibb.co/9qWdhct)

Either they will be removed completely, remade in stainless or colour matched red or Green/White/Red like these...
(https://i.ibb.co/pb9wYLC/9-FC1-A954-6-A51-494-B-80-FF-7-B729-B7-F926-C.png) (https://ibb.co/pb9wYLC)

I do have the Aprillia Caponord front guard which is a bolt on job, but the jury is out on that at this stage.... :clock:
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on July 10, 2020, 06:01:04 PM
Progress...
(https://i.ibb.co/vZTfVWP/1-D9068-FB-B459-4-C2-C-A22-C-847-C9045-DBC7.jpg) (https://ibb.co/vZTfVWP)

(https://i.ibb.co/Zc13rBr/DF8-F34-D0-7-F97-4-AF3-A1-FB-D444-B57569-BC.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Zc13rBr)

(https://i.ibb.co/02C4j2M/5-BFF907-A-CDD6-4-FB3-8437-747792-BCD59-E.jpg) (https://ibb.co/02C4j2M)
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on July 11, 2020, 04:37:32 AM
Moving right along..
The work on the frame and rear end is fundamentally finished. Today I assembled and trued the wheels.
Hereís the front one. https://youtu.be/2wr_DtvE8z8
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: janguzzi on July 11, 2020, 09:46:58 AM
 :thumb: Looking foward to the final result.
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on July 12, 2020, 03:45:07 AM
So am I mate..
I had high hopes to have the wheels back into the Ď85 this weekend but have not managed to. The wheels are trued and tyres fitted, but my compressor did not have the pressure/flow to inflate the tyres. There is a gap between the tyre and inside of the rim that usually flexes out enough for initial inflation but my setup was found wanting.
Tomorrow Iíll get them inflated, then balance and re fit.
The Sikaflex 291 did a great job sealing the spokes so cautious optimism there.
Here they are anyway.
(https://i.ibb.co/1LkXmqY/59-EB0922-FBDF-4-FF2-8139-2-DC14018904-A.jpg) (https://ibb.co/1LkXmqY)

(https://i.ibb.co/wYG0VN6/616-B12-DF-A34-E-4-A0-B-A9-DB-2-B95201335-A6.jpg) (https://ibb.co/wYG0VN6)
Title: V85 facelift
Post by: John Warner on July 12, 2020, 08:49:03 AM
. . . I added up what this bike owes me . . .
No matter what I spend on my Stelvio, it'll never owe me a Penny.
It pays it all back in spades the second I let the Clutch out, every single time!!  :thumb:
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on July 12, 2020, 04:36:22 PM
No matter what I spend on my Stelvio, it'll never owe me a Penny.
It pays it all back in spades the second I let the Clutch out, every single time!!  :thumb:
Yes John.
I didnít mean it that way but your point is valid, I feel the same about my Norge.
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: pete mcgee on July 12, 2020, 04:49:16 PM
27 grand eh....
Not hard to do when the starting price is near 22 grand, luggage 3 grand, centre stand 200, heated grips near 600 etc, etc
Doesnt do the heart any good to add it all up, (says he who has a complete log of every cent spent on the mk 3 lemans since aug 87 and over 333,000 km)
Looking forward to see how this looks when you are finished.
Cheers
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on July 12, 2020, 05:53:07 PM
27 grand eh....
Not hard to do when the starting price is near 22 grand, luggage 3 grand, centre stand 200, heated grips near 600 etc, etc
Doesnt do the heart any good to add it all up, (says he who has a complete log of every cent spent on the mk 3 lemans since aug 87 and over 333,000 km)
Looking forward to see how this looks when you are finished.
Cheers
Yeah ...
I think itís closer to 29.....
Luggage, stand, engine bars $4,000
Mandrel bent exhaust.          $1,000
Ohlins rear shock.                $2,000
Wheels.                               $700
GPS.                                   $500
Nickel plating.                      $300
All for a good cause though.... :rolleyes:
Title: V85 facelift
Post by: John Warner on July 13, 2020, 03:37:57 AM
Yes John.
I didnít mean it that way but your point is valid, I feel the same about my Norge.
Yeah, I knew!
Norge, but what about the V85? 
Have you not reached that stage with it yet?   :laugh:
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: jacksonracingcomau on July 13, 2020, 03:48:21 AM
So am I mate..
I had high hopes to have the wheels back into the Ď85 this weekend but have not managed to. The wheels are trued and tyres fitted, but my compressor did not have the pressure/flow to inflate the tyres. There is a gap between the tyre and inside of the rim that usually flexes out enough for initial inflation but my setup was found wanting.

Buy tyre fitting lube, cheap from any auto place, makes world of difference
And remove valve before trying to seat bead, the valve is big restriction to flow
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: twowheeladdict on July 13, 2020, 06:59:11 AM
I asked for Pilot Road 5ís and havenít looked at them yet.
They have road tread.

I believe both are street tread.  The difference is whether they fit sport touring or adventure  bikes.
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on July 13, 2020, 08:52:05 AM
Yeah, I knew!
Norge, but what about the V85? 
Have you not reached that stage with it yet?   :laugh:
Not yet but thereís nothing wrong at all with it. The V85 is ďgood at what it doesĒ but not ďlovelyĒ.
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on July 13, 2020, 08:53:25 AM
Buy tyre fitting lube, cheap from any auto place, makes world of difference
And remove valve before trying to seat bead, the valve is big restriction to flow
Thanks mate, Iíll follow that advice.. :bow: :thumb:
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Zinfan on July 13, 2020, 05:02:52 PM
Thanks mate, Iíll follow that advice.. :bow: :thumb:

Another thing I've found helpful on stubborn tires is to make sure the rim isn't pressing down on the tire as you try to inflate it, confusing I know but what I try to do is lift up the wheel while adding air, this seems to center the tire on the rim and less air escapes out of the sides thus allowing the tire to seat on the wheel bead.  Does work for me.  Oh and I use RU Glyde as a tire lubricant for mounting, found in local auto part stores here in the U.S. maybe they have similar down under.  This stuff also works as a rubber protectent as well. 
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on July 13, 2020, 06:14:56 PM
Another thing I've found helpful on stubborn tires is to make sure the rim isn't pressing down on the tire as you try to inflate it, confusing I know but what I try to do is lift up the wheel while adding air, this seems to center the tire on the rim and less air escapes out of the sides thus allowing the tire to seat on the wheel bead.  Does work for me.  Oh and I use RU Glyde as a tire lubricant for mounting, found in local auto part stores here in the U.S. maybe they have similar down under.  This stuff also works as a rubber protectent as well.
Again thank you all for your input, I will take heed.
This front tyre almost closes together when off the rim and given that the rim is not very wide on the front, there is a consequently large gap when deflated.
Unlike the Norge rear, where the bead is pressing against the rim prior to inflation. It will be ok though, when I get back home, Iíll add the lube and use the truck compressor at work.. :thumb:
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Knuckle Dragger on July 13, 2020, 09:27:35 PM
Interesting.  So in theory if you get a flat in the boondocks & inadvertently break a bead, you might become stranded despite having a low-volume 12v electric pump on board.

Makes sense really.  Which is possibly why the majority of dirt & "all-terrain" bikes (including the V85 of course) still use tubes.

Many ADV riders on Youtube recommend carrying a spare tube - for the largest wheel size on their bike - even on tubeless equipped bikes.  Thought it was just as a temporary fix for punctured tyre carcasses, but now it's a whole lot clearer to me:  a plain simple bicycle patch would fix just about any tread or sidewall puncture (but not a tear),  whereas that spare tube, even if jammed into a smaller diameter wheel, becomes a fix-all for everything but the worst case scenarios.
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on July 14, 2020, 01:20:11 AM
Interesting.  So in theory if you get a flat in the boondocks & inadvertently break a bead, you might become stranded despite having a low-volume 12v electric pump on board.

Makes sense really.  Which is possibly why the majority of dirt & "all-terrain" bikes (including the V85 of course) still use tubes.

Many ADV riders on Youtube recommend carrying a spare tube - for the largest wheel size on their bike - even on tubeless equipped bikes.  Thought it was just as a temporary fix for punctured tyre carcasses, but now it's a whole lot clearer to me:  a plain simple bicycle patch would fix just about any tread or sidewall puncture (but not a tear),  whereas that spare tube, even if jammed into a smaller diameter wheel, becomes a fix-all for everything but the worst case scenarios.
That thought actually crossed my mind.
If that happens, Iíll install a tube.
Title: V85 facelift
Post by: John Warner on July 14, 2020, 09:18:32 AM
Not yet but thereís nothing wrong at all with it. The V85 is ďgood at what it doesĒ but not ďlovelyĒ.
Do you think that will come with a bit more time, like all Guzzis tend to need for us to really 'Gel' with them?
If not, what do you feel is 'lacking', is it just too 'modern' maybe?
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on July 15, 2020, 12:39:33 AM
Clearly Iíve left the impression that I donít much like my V85, thatís not true at all..
Itís just that I love my Norge so much, I have to have a reason NOT to get it out instead of the trail bike. That reason will certainly raise itís head when I head off to the Kimberley or Cape York etc...
The Ď85 is not ďbetterĒ than the Norge anywhere on a sealed surface, but when doing off road stuff the thing/s that the trail bike can do better than the ďnice oneĒ, just happen to be rather pivotal.
Fair to say though, the cruise control on the Ď85 is really very good.
I will also admit that these sort of memories cast a pretty big shadow that the V85 has to exist in..
(https://i.ibb.co/fnHXygn/1-CBA5542-14-D7-4-C37-947-D-E025-EC0660-DB.jpg) (https://ibb.co/fnHXygn) (https://i.ibb.co/YdzXNbq/CE4-C9-CC9-5-E1-A-40-C9-B280-E918-B17924-F6.jpg) (https://ibb.co/YdzXNbq) (https://i.ibb.co/TKPV4sX/EB3-DBBD9-B2-A2-43-F1-8796-D5037-DC7-D208.jpg) (https://ibb.co/TKPV4sX) (https://i.ibb.co/ryC9FkJ/3737-E145-4017-4-FD9-83-A4-2-B3-DAF23229-E.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ryC9FkJ) (https://i.ibb.co/82QHKDM/3-DADC3-E0-BC09-4-E14-B434-2751-EBD78-BE4.jpg) (https://ibb.co/82QHKDM) (https://i.ibb.co/L6FHdG5/5-C1-D3-D7-D-EDFB-4-ECD-9-AEF-6-E37-E9-DB5374.jpg) (https://ibb.co/L6FHdG5) (https://i.ibb.co/HV0rLtx/67-E1-BABB-C13-B-451-D-B128-C3-ADCFBC0279.jpg) (https://ibb.co/HV0rLtx) (https://i.ibb.co/xHgX9nw/69-B607-C4-E393-4613-AF2-C-BF4843-E064-B7.jpg) (https://ibb.co/xHgX9nw) (https://i.ibb.co/HdfyJkM/71-ED33-CE-AC3-A-44-FE-96-E7-2-F017-AE4-A270.jpg) (https://ibb.co/HdfyJkM) (https://i.ibb.co/d4ThmjJ/0-DE08-F1-F-C750-4221-8-AB0-7-D9-CE5381-E4-C.jpg) (https://ibb.co/d4ThmjJ) (https://i.ibb.co/qRNj27D/93515-FD2-8-AED-4-AE4-A53-E-C010546-D679-C.jpg) (https://ibb.co/qRNj27D)

Now thatís not (only) just a display of self indulgent memory jogging, but also to indicate what the history of my Norge is compared to the V85..
If the roles were reversed, then Iíd probably be extolling the virtues of the Ď85 versus the Norge.
Itís a first world problem Iíll admit and I would not sell the V85 if someone offered me what I have in it $$$ wise.
Every time I ride the Norge after a long time on the V85, the impression is the velvety feel and very long legs....
(Now thereís a metaphor if ever there was...)
The V85 feels like a temporary dalliance, the Norge feels like home...
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: PJPR01 on July 15, 2020, 10:14:09 AM
(Tongue in cheek)


In other words...you hate the V85, and are just prolonging the relationship because you're afraid to break up and offend the V85's feelings at this point given how much you've professed your love for it.  All the farkling in the world won't change it's performance characteristics...T he breakup will happen eventually, just depends on how many issues surface in the meantime!

Perhaps it's better to try and not invest any emotions into the V85 and just treat it like a utility tool...practical, but unemotional, completely different from the Norge, which we all understand is really an extension of the soul!

...exiting stage left now.   :thumb: :thumb:
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on July 15, 2020, 02:48:33 PM
(Tongue in cheek)


In other words...you hate the V85, and are just prolonging the relationship because you're afraid to break up and offend the V85's feelings at this point given how much you've professed your love for it.  All the farkling in the world won't change it's performance characteristics...T he breakup will happen eventually, just depends on how many issues surface in the meantime!

Perhaps it's better to try and not invest any emotions into the V85 and just treat it like a utility tool...practical, but unemotional, completely different from the Norge, which we all understand is really an extension of the soul!

...exiting stage left now.   :thumb: :thumb:
Youíre right about one thing, they are other words.
But not mine..
Again tongue in cheek,,
The V85 is like the illicit affair outside your relationship, happy to use it and a new set of clothes wonít go astray, but the facelift makes me not need to put a paper bag over her head...
There is something good happening when aboard the V85, but like the old saying goes...?
Whatever you do...DONíT LOOK DOWN...!
I just think she could be better looking as well as useful.
Also mate, I think you are attempting to bait me not not a bad job either, (clearly you are a masterbaiter..)
The V85 will NEVER be sold and Iíll have a quiet 10 grand on that.. :thumb: :thumb:..(exiting stage right)  :popcorn:
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: PJPR01 on July 15, 2020, 05:34:30 PM
She's not a 1 bagger at all! :thumb: :thumb:
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on July 17, 2020, 05:39:24 AM
Home at last after a week away..
I collected the nickel plated engine bars and rear rack. On they go tomorrow along with the wheels.
(https://i.ibb.co/DgfR15w/669981-F6-552-F-4-A57-9-B17-86-DF217137-D1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/DgfR15w)
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: janguzzi on July 18, 2020, 05:01:34 AM
 :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
Very good! I think if Guzzi releases such a version, they could even attract more buyers.

Now we need a "pretty" photo in a decent environment.
Of course we guys all love our garage but maybe somwhere outside in the green.  :wink:  :popcorn:
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on July 18, 2020, 05:18:51 AM
Easy big guy...!
Itís 8 pm here, raining and black as a dogís guts. Tomorrow is a tidy up and some ďglamour shotsĒ.
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: janguzzi on July 18, 2020, 05:42:24 AM
Easy big guy...!
  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Title: V85 facelift
Post by: John Warner on July 18, 2020, 11:45:40 AM
Clearly Iíve left the impression that I donít much like my V85, thatís not true at all . . .
No no, wasn't thinking that at all.
I'm sure it'll grow on you like the Norge, with more miles (and smiles) under it's Tyres.

Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on July 18, 2020, 06:59:48 PM
Done...!
(https://i.ibb.co/KF6qYnZ/2-BAF720-A-A5-D3-4517-A8-EB-29258-C175-C44.jpg) (https://ibb.co/KF6qYnZ)
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: tazio on July 18, 2020, 07:09:19 PM
BELLISIMO !! :drool:
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on July 18, 2020, 07:50:07 PM
And those outdoors glamour shots..
https://youtu.be/FwzEvQ6ndHA

(https://i.ibb.co/nLyC8zb/508-A2913-4165-4223-A32-A-42503-C91-E22-E.jpg) (https://ibb.co/nLyC8zb)

(https://i.ibb.co/1mYGQWK/F8275471-A694-467-C-BDAE-B908-A6714-CB1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/1mYGQWK)

(https://i.ibb.co/sbn9h8n/13814451-0-BE0-4-B5-B-AAC9-5-A1-A68-FC4-C7-E.jpg) (https://ibb.co/sbn9h8n)

(https://i.ibb.co/9pSt4Hz/9-A74-E7-E2-9-DC3-4-CE0-A2-DB-3108-BBF5407-F.jpg) (https://ibb.co/9pSt4Hz)

(https://i.ibb.co/H7Sc2yp/88-FE3993-24-F6-4-C70-8352-5327-B0776-E75.jpg) (https://ibb.co/H7Sc2yp)
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Dave Swanson on July 18, 2020, 09:47:53 PM
Wow!  That turned out great Huzo!
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Rich A on July 18, 2020, 09:57:33 PM
Looks great, but you should be in at least one of those pics.  :laugh:

Rich
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: SED on July 18, 2020, 11:22:52 PM
And those outdoors glamour shots..
https://youtu.be/FwzEvQ6ndHA

(https://i.ibb.co/9pSt4Hz/9-A74-E7-E2-9-DC3-4-CE0-A2-DB-3108-BBF5407-F.jpg) (https://ibb.co/9pSt4Hz)


Huzo, that looks great.   :thumb:
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on July 19, 2020, 12:56:57 AM
Looks great, but you should be in at least one of those pics.  :laugh:

Rich
Iíve always been attention shy... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on July 19, 2020, 01:39:47 AM
BELLISIMO !! :drool:
Grazie... :thumb:
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on July 19, 2020, 01:40:44 AM
Huzo, that looks great.   :thumb:
A little way to go, but good so far...
Thank you.
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: janguzzi on July 19, 2020, 02:28:05 AM
Impressive!
 :thumb:
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on July 19, 2020, 02:35:21 AM
If I do anything else, it will be the castings that mount the front calipers at the base of the forks..
They will be the same colour as the swingarm, to give visual balance to the contrast between black and silver.
Like in Markís photoshop image.

(https://i.ibb.co/cLs3bs5/4-E923-D9-B-64-CC-4517-8228-456629722306.png) (https://ibb.co/cLs3bs5)

An Akropovic or Termignoni muffler would be good.
The jury is out on this one, but the framework that mounts the instrument cluster might be nice in silver also, like the GS BMWís....(not sure about that one though).
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: janguzzi on July 19, 2020, 02:40:48 AM
You do not have time for more mods now because you will need your time to keep the wheels clean.  :evil:
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on July 19, 2020, 02:54:29 AM
You do not have time for more mods now because you will need your time to keep the wheels clean.  :evil:
Thatís what they said about my Norge ones.
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: BAT 11 on July 19, 2020, 03:17:51 AM
Looks great,Pete, magnificent job. Hope to see it in the flesh when the plague ends.
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on July 19, 2020, 03:46:09 AM
Looks great,Pete, magnificent job. Hope to see it in the flesh when the plague ends.
Should be doable Ian..
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Markcarovilli on July 19, 2020, 06:04:45 AM
Looks really nice and it truly makes it yours....

Mark
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Rich A on July 19, 2020, 08:01:44 AM
Iíve always been attention shy... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

You wanted to see my a$$.

RA
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on July 19, 2020, 08:03:41 AM
You wanted to see my a$$.

RA
Yeah, as I said..
Happy to see yours, but too shy to show you mine. You go first... :thumb:
On a long haul flight from Heathrow to Melbourne once, the elastic in my shorts broke and they were hanging dangerously low going through customs...
The border guards were  going to have me for importing crack...!
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Zoom Zoom on July 19, 2020, 08:59:53 AM
Well, that looks fantastic!!!

You ought to send a pic of that to Guzzi so that can see what they're hiding under the black paint. Or not. You have a truly unique bike there. :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:

John Henry
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: hauto on July 19, 2020, 10:23:14 AM
Sorry ,but I like the black.I have to admit you are one driven Mo Fo,great work!
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on July 19, 2020, 04:53:00 PM
Sorry ,but I like the black.I have to admit you are one driven Mo Fo,great work!
What is a Mo Fo and is that a good thing ? :popcorn:
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Vagrant on July 19, 2020, 05:07:25 PM
Mo is short for mother and I suspect you understand the rest now.
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: spmoto on July 19, 2020, 05:12:09 PM
I like it and I agree that a bit of brightness up front would serve to balance fore and aft. How about posting before and after shots?
 
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on July 19, 2020, 06:47:53 PM
Ok
(https://i.ibb.co/NF7q6N4/5-EAB8705-F282-4267-9-DF9-9-E4-CE886879-C.jpg) (https://ibb.co/NF7q6N4)

(https://i.ibb.co/nrrvgPs/A1-DAA89-B-A39-F-4-DBB-9-CF8-EED619-F8248-A.png) (https://ibb.co/nrrvgPs)

(https://i.ibb.co/02gZsTS/394-B482-C-97-CF-4-CB0-9-BED-B4-DE057-FDB31.jpg) (https://ibb.co/02gZsTS)

(https://i.ibb.co/9nN7DyJ/B173-B290-BF1-B-48-FA-B479-A6-FB72-B75309.png) (https://ibb.co/9nN7DyJ)
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: RinkRat II on July 19, 2020, 07:07:43 PM

      For sure it looks better now without those goofy boxes out back  :evil: Nice job Huzo, really quite the transformation!  :thumb:

         Paul B :boozing:
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on July 19, 2020, 08:17:29 PM
Mo is short for mother and I suspect you understand the rest now.
Oh, I see..
Like in ďMeet the FockersĒ
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: groundhog105 on July 19, 2020, 09:07:33 PM
Very nice.
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Knuckle Dragger on July 20, 2020, 12:15:11 AM
Noticed you haven't either swapped or added the front 'guard/s yet.  Weren't you getting a dark Caponord Rally one?
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on July 20, 2020, 04:11:24 AM
Yes mate, but it hasnít arrived yet...!
Not going to use it now anyway, I like the open mortard looking front wheel without the fork protectors. I am going to do something different about them as well.
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Knuckle Dragger on July 20, 2020, 09:27:12 PM
Makes the front of the motor terribly messy from mud, pebbles & road debris, but.  Fresh wet tar would be.... just awful.

I'd imagine quite a bit of detritus will collect on top of the bash plate (if you're keeping it) on wet gravel days.

I could see a foreshortened upper mudguard - sort of a quasi duckbill - complemented with a Caponord lower acting as a '"proper" mudguard to protect the motor from gunk flung up from the tyre.

Otherwise, I agree.  Having 2 full front 'guards would just look plain weird, although having a lower mudguard will necessarily detract from the "offroad" aesthetic.  Nevertheless, in black it would be more discrete than in bright red, & operationally more effective.
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on July 20, 2020, 10:21:00 PM
Makes the front of the motor terribly messy from mud, pebbles & road debris, but.  Fresh wet tar would be.... just awful.

I'd imagine quite a bit of detritus will collect on top of the bash plate (if you're keeping it) on wet gravel days.

I could see a foreshortened upper mudguard - sort of a quasi duckbill - complemented with a Caponord lower acting as a '"proper" mudguard to protect the motor from gunk flung up from the tyre.

Otherwise, I agree.  Having 2 full front 'guards would just look plain weird, although having a lower mudguard will necessarily detract from the "offroad" aesthetic.  Nevertheless, in black it would be more discrete than in bright red, & operationally more effective.
Nothing about any of that is untrue except the bash plate.
I have removed it, but even when fitted, there is a clear eflux for any contaminants to be hosed out easily. The GS Beemers run a black guard as well as the duck bill and they tend to get away with it in the main, so I have not ruled it out completely.
(https://i.ibb.co/P6xSxfV/40408-DF4-975-F-439-F-82-F4-34745-E35-D6-A4.png) (https://ibb.co/P6xSxfV)
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Knuckle Dragger on July 24, 2020, 02:05:51 AM
D'you think it's feasible to shorten the OEM 'guard to make it into a type of de facto duckbill?  Bit of a risk, I suppose...  it will either look really good (after surgery with a Dremel & sander & subsequent touchup with a nail polish bottle) or really shitty!

Somewhere on the other V85 thread there's a profile photograph of an example completely missing it's upper mudguard but with a dark Aprilia lower installed..  It just doesn't look "right".  As if something's missing, which of course it is...

The upper 'guard - as well as looking aggressively "offroad" - also serves the very real functional purpose (even in a vestigial form) of keeping the headlamps, air intake & rider protected from debris & mud flung up from the front tyre.
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on July 24, 2020, 03:25:46 AM
D'you think it's feasible to shorten the OEM 'guard to make it into a type of de facto duckbill?  Bit of a risk, I suppose...  it will either look really good (after surgery with a Dremel & sander & subsequent touchup with a nail polish bottle) or really shitty!

Somewhere on the other V85 thread there's a profile photograph of an example completely missing it's upper mudguard but with a dark Aprilia lower installed..  It just doesn't look "right".  As if something's missing, which of course it is...

The upper 'guard - as well as looking aggressively "offroad" - also serves the very real functional purpose (even in a vestigial form) of keeping the headlamps, air intake & rider protected from debris & mud flung up from the front tyre.
Your points are well made KD..
However, thereís as much chance of me taking a saw to the beak as a bull going into orbit. I will buggerise around with the black guard in addition to the beak though, the GSí make it look ok.
(https://i.ibb.co/p3MQFdG/3-B436361-2-E21-46-BD-802-C-9-DACACB95223.png) (https://ibb.co/p3MQFdG)

Some method of stopping it soiling itself up the front of the motor is being developed..
The next thing is an Akropovic muffler and the front caliper mounts in silver..
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Knuckle Dragger on July 24, 2020, 04:11:45 AM
Just wondering.... why the Akra?  There's so many nice alternatives out there.  Ago's, Mistral, & my personal fave (I like both the sound & the look), Zard.

Speaking of looks, the OEM exhaust is one of the handsome-est standard cans I've seen since Ducati stopped fitting Contis.  Pity about the weight, baffling & back-pressure, 'though.

If you're still going to keep the OEM muffler rather than sell it on, what about a bit of DIY surgery as an experiment or academic exercise?  I had a semi-successful cannibalisation of my Aprilia's cans, removing ALL the internal plumbing & replacing it with a fiberglass fabric wrap & wadding around a perforated core.

The results were..... loud.  Illegally so, despite having retained the internal catalysts.  In fact, sufficiently (well, excessively & window-rattlingly actually) loud enough to make dogs run for cover, & easily-impressed pubescent teenaged boys turgid with desire, & right royally piss off the neighbours.

Not my finest hour, I must admit, but once astride & not behind there's quite a sonorous bark to them 'ol cans.  There was never any legitimate excuse for not hearing me coming, despite the volume level of the latest top 40 hits on the ICE stereo of the Daewoo GCXL5, even from a mile or 2 away.

Travelling through the canyons & passes of the wilder & narrower roads of Tassie at night was truly.... epic!  Kept the 'roo, possums & wombats well away from the verges too.

Still, that Guzzi can's rear appears to have a nice neat oval of Allen Screws securing its end-cap.  I'd be itching to investigate......  It's in my jaded eyes one of the best looking original cans I've seen in years, veritably begging for some meddling.
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on July 24, 2020, 05:15:35 AM
I cannot conceive of anything sounding more mellow yet tonal, as the Akrapovic.
The choice of manufacturer is not cast in stone, Termignoni would also get a second look if I came across one.
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: SIR REAL ED on July 24, 2020, 07:37:18 AM
So am I mate..
I had high hopes to have the wheels back into the Ď85 this weekend but have not managed to. The wheels are trued and tyres fitted, but my compressor did not have the pressure/flow to inflate the tyres. There is a gap between the tyre and inside of the rim that usually flexes out enough for initial inflation but my setup was found wanting.
Tomorrow Iíll get them inflated, then balance and re fit.
The Sikaflex 291 did a great job sealing the spokes so cautious optimism there.
Here they are anyway.
(https://i.ibb.co/1LkXmqY/59-EB0922-FBDF-4-FF2-8139-2-DC14018904-A.jpg) (https://ibb.co/1LkXmqY)

(https://i.ibb.co/wYG0VN6/616-B12-DF-A34-E-4-A0-B-A9-DB-2-B95201335-A6.jpg) (https://ibb.co/wYG0VN6)


I'm sure most people know this, but sometimes removing the core from the valve stem will give you enough flow to seat the tire.

Really creative types will use a bit of lighter fluid or gasoline and light it to produce a small explosion inside the tire.  Never tried it, but physics says it should work.
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: SIR REAL ED on July 24, 2020, 07:42:30 AM
Ok
(https://i.ibb.co/NF7q6N4/5-EAB8705-F282-4267-9-DF9-9-E4-CE886879-C.jpg) (https://ibb.co/NF7q6N4)

(https://i.ibb.co/nrrvgPs/A1-DAA89-B-A39-F-4-DBB-9-CF8-EED619-F8248-A.png) (https://ibb.co/nrrvgPs)

(https://i.ibb.co/02gZsTS/394-B482-C-97-CF-4-CB0-9-BED-B4-DE057-FDB31.jpg) (https://ibb.co/02gZsTS)

(https://i.ibb.co/9nN7DyJ/B173-B290-BF1-B-48-FA-B479-A6-FB72-B75309.png) (https://ibb.co/9nN7DyJ)


Looks great Huzo!
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on July 24, 2020, 08:22:21 AM
Looks great Huzo!
Yes. It hasnít changed anything meaningful, but a nice exercise in aesthetics..
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: SIR REAL ED on July 25, 2020, 09:54:16 AM
Yes. It hasnít changed anything meaningful, but a nice exercise in aesthetics..

I think the red tank and black engine work well together.  Silvering out the engine might be a bit too much.  Although it would definitely make the bike look more 1970's-ish!

You might want to try a roll of duct tape first before disassembly and painting........  easy to apply, easy to strip.....  don't ask! 
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: jrt on July 25, 2020, 10:25:42 AM
Regarding the caponord fender-  in stock form it is still just a bit too short to prevent road debris from hitting the alternator cover.  I fitted a fender extender on mine...but dang it was ugly, so I took it off and replaced it with a semi-triangular piece of neoprene.   Like a mud-flap on a truck.  Used rivets to affix it to the fender- now it is unobtrusive and, so far, seems to work though I haven't (and won't) take it off-road.
I can take a picture if you would like.
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on July 25, 2020, 01:56:56 PM
Regarding the caponord fender-  in stock form it is still just a bit too short to prevent road debris from hitting the alternator cover.  I fitted a fender extender on mine...but dang it was ugly, so I took it off and replaced it with a semi-triangular piece of neoprene.   Like a mud-flap on a truck.  Used rivets to affix it to the fender- now it is unobtrusive and, so far, seems to work though I haven't (and won't) take it off-road.
I can take a picture if you would like.
Yes please !
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: jrt on July 26, 2020, 10:00:36 AM
Let's see if this works:  wide shot-
(https://i.ibb.co/HBmK9dp/IMG-5178.jpg)

Closer view of fender and fender-flap:
(https://i.ibb.co/gDkgSNk/IMG-5180.jpg)

And I also replaced the awful windscreen with this small abomination- it is simply cut and bent aluminum with a small Einstein sticker on it.  For when I approach relativistic speeds.  Oh, and I made new bar-ends out of stainless- sorry, they are a bit cut off:
(https://i.ibb.co/rQdK3yF/IMG-5181.jpg)
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on July 27, 2020, 06:12:42 PM

(https://i.ibb.co/ZV4hwXZ/ACC3-C4-A7-1864-4-B12-A5-BC-6-E5-CA69-FCF4-C.png) (https://ibb.co/ZV4hwXZ)
Typical of attractive Italian types.
Looks lovely but can fly off the handle without provocation or warning...
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: SIR REAL ED on July 27, 2020, 06:26:00 PM
Let's see if this works:  wide shot-
(https://i.ibb.co/HBmK9dp/IMG-5178.jpg)

Closer view of fender and fender-flap:
(https://i.ibb.co/gDkgSNk/IMG-5180.jpg)

And I also replaced the awful windscreen with this small abomination- it is simply cut and bent aluminum with a small Einstein sticker on it.  For when I approach relativistic speeds.  Oh, and I made new bar-ends out of stainless- sorry, they are a bit cut off:
(https://i.ibb.co/rQdK3yF/IMG-5181.jpg)

Looks good.  I like the red frame with yellow/white gas tank& bodywork.

I think I would have to remove the upper white front fender just to see how it looked without it.  Then maybe paint the lower fender white and add a mud flap to the front of the fender.

Hard to say if that would look better.
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: wyno on August 09, 2020, 02:14:49 AM
You don't have the garage space Pete, remember.
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on August 10, 2020, 03:55:56 AM
You don't have the garage space Pete, remember.
Ok mate..
Iíll give my shed a facelift... :thumb:
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on September 29, 2020, 04:15:49 AM
Oh well, I guess I always knew this would happen.
I bought one of these today..

(https://i.ibb.co/yk2XWQw/26-E70-EB7-5-F97-4-F1-A-ACD6-852735-DBDA63.png) (https://ibb.co/yk2XWQw)

Itíll be here by the weekend.
I had planned to mount it low such that it exited just behind the riderís foot peg and took a swoop so it passed just below the passenger Ďpeg and terminated just short of the rear caliper.

(https://i.ibb.co/LS4TCTB/F9-CF5-D5-B-0-FD7-4-C80-A98-F-3114-FAE312-B7.jpg) (https://ibb.co/LS4TCTB)
 I think the lines would have been very nice, but would have been prone to damage if used for itís intended purpose.
So I said ďbugger it allĒ and just got the Zard and will mount it as intended.
So pretty soon thereíll be a complete V85 exhaust system hanging on the wall.. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: v85kris on September 29, 2020, 09:26:14 AM
Interested to hear how you like the sound.  Iíve been hesitant as I canít stand loud pipes.  I put a y pipe on mine to reduce the heat but also got the benefit of a slightly throatier exhaust note. :boozing:
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on October 09, 2020, 12:53:19 AM
Hereís the latest..
Not much left to do, almost there.
https://youtu.be/ji_1RUDuRIg
Actually, it sounds like my mateís J1 Auster with the Gypsy Major motor at idle.
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Knuckle Dragger on October 09, 2020, 02:43:36 AM
Looking good Huzo.  All shined up & nowhere to go.....  too near "the wet" to do a Cape York run, even IF they allow you Victorians loose on the rest of Australia. 

Maybe winter 2021?  In the meantime there's always Halls Gap, (maybe) the Flinders Ranges in Summer, Oodnadatta, Birdsville, Uluru, or Mt. Buffalo/Hotham/Falls etc. along the spine of the Southern Alps if you're still not allowed out of Victoria!

There's plenty of lovely wild miles to explore fairly close to home, without leaving the state.

I think those Zard cans are the mellowest sounding available to date for the V85.  I'd still like to hear a cored modification of the standard can too.  Apart from the Zard, I think it's still one of the best looking mufflers for the bike available.
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on October 09, 2020, 03:23:02 AM
Looking good Huzo.  All shined up & nowhere to go.....  too near "the wet" to do a Cape York run, even IF they allow you Victorians loose on the rest of Australia. 

Maybe winter 2021?  In the meantime there's always Halls Gap, (maybe) the Flinders Ranges in Summer, Oodnadatta, Birdsville, Uluru, or Mt. Buffalo/Hotham/Falls etc. along the spine of the Southern Alps if you're still not allowed out of Victoria!

There's plenty of lovely wild miles to explore fairly close to home, without leaving the state.

I think those Zard cans are the mellowest sounding available to date for the V85.  I'd still like to hear a cored modification of the standard can too.  Apart from the Zard, I think it's still one of the best looking mufflers for the bike available.
If Italy is off the menu next year, Iím going from Cape Otway to Cape York and back on my Honda CT110.
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Knuckle Dragger on October 09, 2020, 08:57:04 PM
Back in '84 I met a couple of masochistic lads from Reggio di Calabria (deepest south Italy) @ the Austrian GP, Salzbugring .  Fast-Freddie Spencer won both 250 & 500 races incidentally.

Silly buggers were just starting a return trip to Nordkapp on old Lambrettas!   Those step-through postie bikes (Hondas, not Lambrettas) have a solid reputation as long-distance rides.  Those hundreds (thousands?) of kms. of corrugations won't be kind to either the Honda or pilot, however.  You'll need a suspension upgrade, a massage or 2 & regular Radox or Badedas baths methinks.
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on October 10, 2020, 04:14:21 AM
Back in '84 I met a couple of masochistic lads from Reggio di Calabria (deepest south Italy) @ the Austrian GP, Salzbugring .  Fast-Freddie Spencer won both 250 & 500 races incidentally.

Silly buggers were just starting a return trip to Nordkapp on old Lambrettas!   Those step-through postie bikes (Hondas, not Lambrettas) have a solid reputation as long-distance rides.  Those hundreds (thousands?) of kms. of corrugations won't be kind to either the Honda or pilot, however.  You'll need a suspension upgrade, a massage or 2 & regular Radox or Badedas baths methinks.
I was a postie for 37 years.
(40 km a day) x (5 days a week) x (48 weeks a year) x (37 years) = 355,200 km in first and second gear delivering letters...(thatís not counting overtime..).
Piece of cake..
Also.
My round was 6 hrs. a day, and thatís after working indoors for 3 hrs.
The way I see it is as follows..
If I do 7 hrs a day seat time at an average of 70 kph, thatís just on 500 kís a day, so a 4,000 k one way trip is 8 days. Call it ten each way and youíre laughing.
Easier than Nordkapp and Iíve done that twice from London then down to Sicily via Romania....
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on October 17, 2020, 05:03:45 AM
Well hereís the latest..
Iíve decided Iím going with the low front guard/no beak option. I was always going to explore how to protect the front of the engine from debris from the front wheel. I have given the guard 25 mm clearance so as to be a compromise between on road/off road work.
I reckon Iíll eventually get the guard done in red with a small splash of red/white/green, or something similar.
Hereís the work so far..

(https://i.ibb.co/2tchK5g/58-E24-D15-0-EF6-4452-81-B4-6-DB20-A78301-D.jpg) (https://ibb.co/2tchK5g)

(https://i.ibb.co/4p2dz82/AA1-D57-ED-F15-F-455-F-AE7-F-D658-B47742-A5.jpg) (https://ibb.co/4p2dz82)

The now redundant space under the headlights, will get a couple of Touratech high intensity spotlights.

(https://i.ibb.co/tKYdqQ6/E43-DBEA1-EE50-4-A07-B6-B4-D0-F337-BDC218.png) (https://ibb.co/tKYdqQ6)
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: blu guzz on October 17, 2020, 06:48:33 AM
much more traditional looking without the beak.  i like it.  now, take off the dual head lights, replace it with a deer-hunter type 8 inch round light and add a bikini fairing.  get rid of the high exhaust and add a la franconi and your conversion will be complete.
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: j.davis on October 17, 2020, 09:05:02 AM
Putting these on my new V85tt when it is ready to pick up, mounting on the crash bars. Will run through a Skene controller to make them drl's as well as spots.
https://www.stedi.com.au/25-cree-led-motorcycle-driving-spot-light.html
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: SIR REAL ED on October 17, 2020, 09:12:25 AM
Hereís the latest..
Not much left to do, almost there.
https://youtu.be/ji_1RUDuRIg
Actually, it sounds like my mateís J1 Auster with the Gypsy Major motor at idle.

Looks great Huzo. One of the cleanest looking modern Guzzi's, or modern bikes I have seen in a long time.  All the hard work paid off in a classic, simplistic look. 

I imagine the aesthetics all go to Hell when you sit on the bike, but that's true for most of us.   :wink:
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: SIR REAL ED on October 17, 2020, 09:44:15 AM
much more traditional looking without the beak.  i like it.  now, take off the dual head lights, replace it with a deer-hunter type 8 inch round light and add a bikini fairing.  get rid of the high exhaust and add a la franconi and your conversion will be complete.

Good eye.  Going to the low front fender looks better and screams "replace the dual headlights with a single headlight!"
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on October 17, 2020, 05:58:42 PM
Putting these on my new V85tt when it is ready to pick up, mounting on the crash bars. Will run through a Skene controller to make them drl's as well as spots.
https://www.stedi.com.au/25-cree-led-motorcycle-driving-spot-light.html
Very interested to hear how they go... :popcorn:
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on October 17, 2020, 06:00:58 PM
Looks great Huzo. One of the cleanest looking modern Guzzi's, or modern bikes I have seen in a long time.  All the hard work paid off in a classic, simplistic look. 

I imagine the aesthetics all go to Hell when you sit on the bike, but that's true for most of us.   :wink:
Thank you and...Yes.
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on October 18, 2020, 03:14:55 AM
I needed to arrange some protection for the front of the engine and thought I would have the most success with a low mounted guard.
I donít suggest it is more attractive, but when done in red, it will begin to blend..
Before..

(https://i.ibb.co/pjKyDhn/CA16-BFBB-BE23-445-E-B970-686094-B55752.png) (https://ibb.co/pjKyDhn)

After..

(https://i.ibb.co/wcppkyF/DBD6-C6-A9-0-BFD-4-C13-BF6-B-0-CBF2-CCA660-A.png) (https://ibb.co/wcppkyF)

Walk around..
https://youtu.be/bT5mUS3_EKA
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Chethro on October 18, 2020, 05:34:47 AM
Very nice.  :thumb:
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on October 18, 2020, 06:17:28 AM
Very nice.  :thumb:
A work in progress..
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: v85kris on October 18, 2020, 09:27:56 AM
Looks great Huzo!  I wanted to go a similar route with mine, but my side cases are on most of the time which takes away from the looks.  I also had the Aprilia fender on mine with a 6 bulb led light mounted under the headlights, but still felt it didnít look right and went back to the beak.  I also blacked out the windscreen which helps make it disappear and hides all the mounting hardware underneath and makes the display easier to see.
I love the way you incorporated your headers into the y-pipe, really a clean look!  Keep up the great work!  :boozing:
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on October 19, 2020, 04:01:20 AM
Looks great Huzo!  I wanted to go a similar route with mine, but my side cases are on most of the time which takes away from the looks.  I also had the Aprilia fender on mine with a 6 bulb led light mounted under the headlights, but still felt it didnít look right and went back to the beak.  I also blacked out the windscreen which helps make it disappear and hides all the mounting hardware underneath and makes the display easier to see.
I love the way you incorporated your headers into the y-pipe, really a clean look!  Keep up the great work!  :boozing:
Well yes..
But if I were to draw a crass comparison. Does George Clooney think Amal looks bad in a raincoat ?
He has a pretty good idea whatís underneath... :wink:
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Roebling3 on October 19, 2020, 11:05:26 AM
Holy crap! I've not been able to keep up, Huso. Typical of my vintage? Your 8.5 is gorgeous, beak et. al. In my view terrific balance. Great focal points.  Very classy. I've never cared for those spear like fenders. Going into battle? Another story.
I added 5" to the trailing portion of the frt. fender on the V7 IIIR, b4 paint, stripe, saddle and cast wheels. It does a fairly good job and looks good, imnsho. Love the exhaust sound. 5 cyl. radial? :)
I put no emergencies front and center. i.e. no tubes, metal fuel pump, NGK spark plug connectors, radial mc w/4 piston frt. caliper. (Brembo). I lost faith in abs years ago.
I really enjoy seeing excellent thought process, put into 3 dimensions of entertainment on 2 wheels.
    Good fortune Huso.  R3~
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on October 19, 2020, 11:40:31 AM
Thanks R...
I cannot decide definitively whether to go on and complete the full transformation re front lower guard.
I now like both looks equally.
The lower guard looks nice and squat and when matched in red with a hint of green/white/red graphic, should ĎpopĒ like Peter North...Also the undeniable benefit of debris reduction on the front of the motor gets me engorged in an adolescent way.. :thumb:
Then thereís the beak option..
I do like the look of the fully exposed fork lowers and the splash of metal visuals without the Darth Vader staunchion protectors..If the lower guard remains, there will be some trimming to be done..
Decisions, decisions..
Iíll need two V85ís..
One of each.. :popcorn:
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: lcjohnny on October 19, 2020, 12:23:25 PM
I needed to arrange some protection for the front of the engine and thought I would have the most success with a low mounted guard.
I donít suggest it is more attractive, but when done in red, it will begin to blend..
Before..

(https://i.ibb.co/pjKyDhn/CA16-BFBB-BE23-445-E-B970-686094-B55752.png) (https://ibb.co/pjKyDhn)

After..

(https://i.ibb.co/wcppkyF/DBD6-C6-A9-0-BFD-4-C13-BF6-B-0-CBF2-CCA660-A.png) (https://ibb.co/wcppkyF)

Walk around..
https://youtu.be/bT5mUS3_EKA

IMHO that is so much better Huz

I rode a v85 just to see ..... as everyone said it was good and sensible

and i think that they are finally getting some more heart in the small block motor
but it is ugly especially in Mcdonalds paint and with a beak

 - i dont mind a real motocross bike with high flappy front mudguards
but on a 100% road bike the beak a cosmetic thing that is not at all cosmetic  :violent1:
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on October 19, 2020, 12:31:42 PM
IMHO that is so much better Huz

I rode a v85 just to see ..... as everyone said it was good and sensible

and i think that they are finally getting some more heart in the small block motor
but it is ugly especially in Mcdonalds paint and with a beak

 - i dont mind a real motocross bike with high flappy front mudguards
but on a 100% road bike the beak a cosmetic thing that is not at all cosmetic  :violent1:
Hmmmm..Yes.
But the issue is going to be, that mine will not be exclusively on road, (although predominately so..).
BTW..
Hands up who went to Google after reading reply #142..?  :popcorn:
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Knuckle Dragger on October 19, 2020, 05:45:13 PM
Although much better now, you'll still be copping a fair bit of road grime thrown up from the front tyre that'll end up oven-baked to your black engine casings.

Would one of those Pyramid Plastics "Fenda-Extanda" not look too ugly on the trailing edge of your new front mudguard?  Assuming of course it's actually available for Aprilia's Dorsoduro mudguard.
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on October 19, 2020, 06:14:16 PM
Although much better now, you'll still be copping a fair bit of road grime thrown up from the front tyre that'll end up oven-baked to your black engine casings.

Would one of those Pyramid Plastics "Fenda-Extanda" not look too ugly on the trailing edge of your new front mudguard?  Assuming of course it's actually available for Aprilia's Dorsoduro mudguard.
Thatíll be the go KD..
Probably only fitted for more serious expeditions, will still be better than the high one in that respect.
The final decision will be made to keep or reject the low setup, once I see how much I can trim the fork covers..
They look pox.
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: jrt on October 19, 2020, 06:25:21 PM
Trim the fork covers?  They keep the road crap off the stanchions (tubes?  what are they called on USD forks?).  I would be concerned that the seals would see a lot more wear.

If you don't like whatever pyramid plastics has to offer- then just roll your own.  I used a piece of neoprene, cut to a sort-of triangle shape, that is unobtrusive.  Cost less than a (US) dollar. 
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: SIR REAL ED on October 19, 2020, 06:54:30 PM
Thatíll be the go KD..
Probably only fitted for more serious expeditions, will still be better than the high one in that respect.
The final decision will be made to keep or reject the low setup, once I see how much I can trim the fork covers..
They look pox.

Real Men makes fender extenders out of plastic bleach bottles, old motorcycle tires, or dumbstruck mudflaps.

If you want that bike to be a real head turner, next time you go riding, stop by the grocery store, get two nice size Cantalopes and stuff them in the front of your jacket. 

Trust me, works great!
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on October 19, 2020, 07:26:13 PM
get two nice size Cantalopes and stuff them in the front of your jacket. 
I already have two in my pants... :rolleyes:
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on October 20, 2020, 04:18:58 PM
Trim the fork covers?  They keep the road crap off the stanchions (tubes?  what are they called on USD forks?).  I would be concerned that the seals would see a lot more wear.

If you don't like whatever pyramid plastics has to offer- then just roll your own.  I used a piece of neoprene, cut to a sort-of triangle shape, that is unobtrusive.  Cost less than a (US) dollar.
Yes that little fact had not eluded me..
However, the section that runs on the seals will receive treatment before being exposed to aggravation.
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: jrt on October 20, 2020, 09:34:28 PM
If there is one thing I've learned in this life, it is 'don't aggravate your seals'.   :boxing:
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on October 20, 2020, 10:27:41 PM
Now Iíve started this..
Before..

(https://i.ibb.co/Fzc1QNc/1-B819-BE5-FDEA-4722-8658-8460-D240-DD02.png) (https://ibb.co/Fzc1QNc)

After..

(https://i.ibb.co/zPS8bYC/414777-DF-40-E9-4831-9-F9-E-608-E34-E99-C0-F.jpg) (https://ibb.co/zPS8bYC)

(https://i.ibb.co/bNSt2yh/2699-D18-A-4-A4-A-4325-9664-1-CA757-B716-DC.jpg) (https://ibb.co/bNSt2yh)

(https://i.ibb.co/WxXJ4s9/37-F24-A94-337-C-48-EC-A727-2-E49599-EDEDC.jpg) (https://ibb.co/WxXJ4s9)

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Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: lucky phil on October 21, 2020, 01:36:23 AM
I needed to arrange some protection for the front of the engine and thought I would have the most success with a low mounted guard.
I donít suggest it is more attractive, but when done in red, it will begin to blend..
Before..

(https://i.ibb.co/pjKyDhn/CA16-BFBB-BE23-445-E-B970-686094-B55752.png) (https://ibb.co/pjKyDhn)

After..

(https://i.ibb.co/wcppkyF/DBD6-C6-A9-0-BFD-4-C13-BF6-B-0-CBF2-CCA660-A.png) (https://ibb.co/wcppkyF)

Walk around..
https://youtu.be/bT5mUS3_EKA

I cant decide.

Ciao
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on October 21, 2020, 03:24:20 AM
I have now LP.
The low one stays, with abbreviated fork guards.
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: v85kris on October 21, 2020, 09:44:55 AM
How about this?


(https://i.ibb.co/CH4NRYk/66-F1-B5-E0-5-A98-4-F94-B511-3-C68898-A2-A1-D.jpg) (https://ibb.co/CH4NRYk)

wrx 0 60 2017 (https://statewideinventory.org/subaru-0-60-times)
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on October 21, 2020, 12:58:44 PM
Seen worse.. :thumb:
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: SIR REAL ED on October 21, 2020, 06:48:49 PM
I already have two in my pants... :rolleyes:

I would guess either a serious STD or some form of blunt force, repetitive motion injury akin to carpal tunnel syndrome.

Pictures would help experienced WG personal provide a better diagnoses.   :grin:
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on October 22, 2020, 11:52:46 PM
Iíve chopped away a hell of a lot of the bulk featured in the Caponord fender design.
The triangulation remains for structural integrity and the movement area of the staunchions is still protected from front on assault..
Here Ďtis..
(https://i.ibb.co/hHmzSq3/AF46-B40-C-D2-EF-4-BA2-A89-C-B62477289216.jpg) (https://ibb.co/hHmzSq3)

(https://i.ibb.co/R4y7kQG/0688453-A-A423-4-C4-C-8-A87-0-CD5-E174-F923.jpg) (https://ibb.co/R4y7kQG)

(https://i.ibb.co/QkRJpgt/499-DD5-EB-2-FDF-4-A6-F-B926-19-FE219084-ED.jpg) (https://ibb.co/QkRJpgt)

(https://i.ibb.co/B36PjJt/CD211-A69-2934-4-C40-BA5-C-F7-F2-F17-BF620.png) (https://ibb.co/B36PjJt)

https://youtu.be/6cDbkQxgCyA
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: jrt on October 23, 2020, 08:52:52 PM
That looks really good.  I'm surprised that the fender originally sat so close to the wheel.
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on October 24, 2020, 02:02:13 AM
That looks really good.  I'm surprised that the fender originally sat so close to the wheel.
Iíve given it 25-30 mm.
You cannot raise it too much or the radii will not match.
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: lcjohnny on October 24, 2020, 09:06:43 AM
(https://ibb.co/hHmzSq3)
Looking better and better
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: jrt on October 24, 2020, 02:49:10 PM
Hey Huzo, you're a trend-setter! 

Mistral now offers 'big bore header pipes'
https://www.mgcycle.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=26_336&products_id=5675

Cheers,
jrt
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on October 24, 2020, 04:38:54 PM
Hey Huzo, you're a trend-setter! 

Mistral now offers 'big bore header pipes'
https://www.mgcycle.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=26_336&products_id=5675

Cheers,
jrt
They look ok too..
I made mine with more degrees of bend exiting the head with no crossover, for what I think is a more elegant sweep down past the engine and the line matches the protection bar

(https://i.ibb.co/xSyGBsM/D960-E557-781-F-49-ED-8108-3-B0838960-AFB.png) (https://ibb.co/xSyGBsM)
but thatís only asthetics, the result is the same.
My O2 sensors are downstream further.
I am booked in for a dyno pull in two weeks and am having the map re done to bring things up to scratch mixture wise.
There is the slightest hint of flat spot right at 2,900-3,100 rpm under certain TGPS settings so that will be good.
Iím running the dB killers in the Zard muffler full time. It sounds more mellow under load and I think nicer overall.
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on November 06, 2020, 03:33:05 AM
Putting these on my new V85tt when it is ready to pick up, mounting on the crash bars. Will run through a Skene controller to make them drl's as well as spots.
https://www.stedi.com.au/25-cree-led-motorcycle-driving-spot-light.html
Have you got your V85 yet..?
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: j.davis on November 06, 2020, 06:51:22 AM
Yep


(https://i.ibb.co/LgqH8sL/20201103-DSC02615.jpg) (https://ibb.co/LgqH8sL)


Waiting for loom fitting to fit spot lights and flasher to tail light.

Just made an inquiry to bloke in Spain about a seat.
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on November 06, 2020, 09:21:18 AM
Very nice..
Am interested to hear about the lights.
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on November 07, 2020, 03:12:18 PM
If left stock, I reckon they are the prettiest...
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: j.davis on November 08, 2020, 05:45:41 AM
Mounted my Spots today, only wired through  standard relay to work with High Beam though. Will put my Skene controller in when the propper loom fittings arrive.
Work extremely well, 25w Stedi Spot beam.


(https://i.ibb.co/R9BhFDT/20201108-213714.jpg) (https://ibb.co/R9BhFDT)



(https://i.ibb.co/c6Ynn10/20201108-213743.jpg) (https://ibb.co/c6Ynn10)
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Knuckle Dragger on November 08, 2020, 04:58:51 PM
Just thinking....  would a short - say 150-200mm - LED lightbar fit where the upper 'guard had been removed?  I have one mounted to the handlebars of my Nuda, which makes a world of difference at night:  greater penetration & spread. This would still leave room for a pair of crashbar mounted foglamps wired to the low beam circuit. 

Vaguely reminiscent of a Mod's Vespa from the '60s?  Without all the mirrors of course.
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on November 08, 2020, 07:37:51 PM
Just thinking....  would a short - say 150-200mm - LED lightbar fit where the upper 'guard had been removed?  I have one mounted to the handlebars of my Nuda, which makes a world of difference at night:  greater penetration & spread. This would still leave room for a pair of crashbar mounted foglamps wired to the low beam circuit. 

Vaguely reminiscent of a Mod's Vespa from the '60s?  Without all the mirrors of course.
Yes, but I donít want that look..
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on November 10, 2020, 09:42:10 PM
Mounted my Spots today, only wired through  standard relay to work with High Beam though. Will put my Skene controller in when the propper loom fittings arrive.
Work extremely well, 25w Stedi Spot beam.


(https://i.ibb.co/R9BhFDT/20201108-213714.jpg) (https://ibb.co/R9BhFDT)



(https://i.ibb.co/c6Ynn10/20201108-213743.jpg) (https://ibb.co/c6Ynn10)

Is it possible to get a night time shot of them in use and give us a bit of a report ?
I am going to get a couple, but did not know whether the Touratech or Denali was a worthwhile course.
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on November 10, 2020, 09:46:11 PM
a world of difference at night:  greater penetration & spread.
Who among us would argue with that logic... :popcorn:
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: j.davis on November 11, 2020, 07:54:14 AM
Is it possible to get a night time shot of them in use and give us a bit of a report ?
I am going to get a couple, but did not know whether the Touratech or Denali was a worthwhile course.

Got the wiring bits I needed and now have running lights and spots.
Low beam

(https://i.ibb.co/6WbnCP7/20201111-DSC02668.jpg) (https://ibb.co/6WbnCP7)


Low beam

(https://i.ibb.co/jDX067M/20201111-DSC02678.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jDX067M)


High beam

(https://i.ibb.co/2jM1t81/20201111-DSC02679.jpg) (https://ibb.co/2jM1t81)

Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on November 11, 2020, 12:00:56 PM
Thank you very much, that looks very good from here. I think I will order some today.
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on November 12, 2020, 02:37:27 AM
Got the wiring bits I needed and now have running lights and spots.
Low beam

(https://i.ibb.co/6WbnCP7/20201111-DSC02668.jpg) (https://ibb.co/6WbnCP7)


Low beam

(https://i.ibb.co/jDX067M/20201111-DSC02678.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jDX067M)


High beam

(https://i.ibb.co/2jM1t81/20201111-DSC02679.jpg) (https://ibb.co/2jM1t81)

Are they LED ?
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: j.davis on November 12, 2020, 04:38:28 AM
Are they LED ?
Yes, they look yellow in these pics due to me not being head on to the lens, and running them at 30% as DRL's.
I have the spots angled slightly outwards towards the side of the road where the skippies hide.


(https://i.ibb.co/pbPYvyy/20201112-DSC02689.jpg) (https://ibb.co/pbPYvyy)



(https://i.ibb.co/GxvyKSX/20201112-DSC02688.jpg) (https://ibb.co/GxvyKSX)



(https://i.ibb.co/wS9y37s/20201112-DSC02687.jpg) (https://ibb.co/wS9y37s)
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on November 15, 2020, 01:46:38 AM
They do look vaguely similar..
(https://i.ibb.co/HnNPT08/150-BE681-27-FE-40-E3-9670-CD026-EDA60-A0.png) (https://ibb.co/HnNPT08)

(https://i.ibb.co/376Z8fh/5-F83-F179-9-EC8-47-E0-A17-E-216654879-CFC.jpg) (https://ibb.co/376Z8fh)

upload images online free (https://imgbb.com/)
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: jrt on November 15, 2020, 08:39:39 PM
I like that yours are 'cleaner'.  Do I recall correctly that you have the O2 monitor bungs downstream a bit?  They are well hidden.  Personally, I could do without the tangs to fit the skid plates.  I don't do that kind of riding on this bike. 
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on November 15, 2020, 08:58:19 PM
I like that yours are 'cleaner'.  Do I recall correctly that you have the O2 monitor bungs downstream a bit?  They are well hidden.  Personally, I could do without the tangs to fit the skid plates.  I don't do that kind of riding on this bike.
Yes, they are removed in that shot but are visible now since refitting.

(https://i.ibb.co/YyJ9gR2/8655-CBD9-6410-4762-99-CF-E99-FE8294-F3-A.png) (https://ibb.co/YyJ9gR2)

Clearly, this is an earlier shot with the standard muffler and high guard, but you can see the sensors.
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Kiwi_Roy on November 15, 2020, 09:07:28 PM
When I took my Griso to the Arctic circle I wrapped a simple piece of rubber mat about 6" wide around the bottom of the engine to deflect stones, this kept it very clean.
How about something similar on the V85 e.g 3mm carbon fibre or even polythene starting about mid way down the alternator to back about the start of gearbox.

I really like what you have done so far, something to strive for.
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on November 16, 2020, 01:16:26 AM
When I took my Griso to the Arctic circle I wrapped a simple piece of rubber mat about 6" wide around the bottom of the engine to deflect stones, this kept it very clean.
How about something similar on the V85 e.g 3mm carbon fibre or even polythene starting about mid way down the alternator to back about the start of gearbox.

I really like what you have done so far, something to strive for.
I like the rubber idea.
My mental image is a piece about 1/4Ē thick. The cushioning effect would be advantageous.
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Knuckle Dragger on November 16, 2020, 03:24:11 AM
Short length of conveyor belt?
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on November 16, 2020, 04:05:46 AM
Short length of conveyor belt?
Clark Rubber... :thumb:
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on November 17, 2020, 02:15:05 AM
Personally, I could do without the tangs to fit the skid plates. 
Four bolts to take them off, mine werenít even done up ex factory.. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on December 24, 2020, 02:16:48 AM
These finally turned up today.

(https://i.ibb.co/9qcTCm9/A87-B104-C-2539-4-C2-B-AA8-B-EF3537-B362-B6.jpg) (https://ibb.co/9qcTCm9)
Theyíre going in here..

(https://i.ibb.co/2vrV1r7/7-E43-E66-F-5-D61-4-E85-B080-4-E25-B8-FE93-C8.png) (https://ibb.co/2vrV1r7)


(https://i.ibb.co/bbjHvJy/2-ABA4-EC9-DC7-A-49-B6-AD70-8-E2459161-B2-D.png) (https://ibb.co/bbjHvJy)

(https://i.ibb.co/rdrKMRk/B3-B84683-6-EAF-492-F-A6-F4-4-D7728-A46558.png) (https://ibb.co/rdrKMRk)

Should go ok..
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: j.davis on December 24, 2020, 04:45:49 AM
Mounted my Stedi 25w on the crash bars, but might still raise them up a bit.


(https://i.ibb.co/Nx7wQDK/20201224-DSC02789.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Nx7wQDK)



(https://i.ibb.co/g3s9XFj/20201224-DSC02790.jpg) (https://ibb.co/g3s9XFj)
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on December 24, 2020, 04:51:56 AM
Mounted my Stedi 25w on the crash bars, but might still raise them up a bit.


(https://i.ibb.co/Nx7wQDK/20201224-DSC02789.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Nx7wQDK)



(https://i.ibb.co/g3s9XFj/20201224-DSC02790.jpg) (https://ibb.co/g3s9XFj)

Jeez, they look Damn good from here mate..
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Knuckle Dragger on December 24, 2020, 05:09:43 AM
The higher the mount, the greater the penetration.  Huzo, I'm assuming you mean atop the lower triple-clamp?
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on December 24, 2020, 05:12:29 AM
The higher the mount, the greater the penetration.  Huzo, I'm assuming you mean atop the lower triple-clamp?
Yes mate.
Between the existing lights and triple clamp.
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: j.davis on December 24, 2020, 12:52:47 PM
The clamps I have for the spot lights will fit the outer bars on the headlights, so they might end up there.


(https://i.ibb.co/bKBT74Q/131985785-2504716759829425-7901631450594824428-o.jpg) (https://ibb.co/bKBT74Q)
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on December 24, 2020, 07:39:07 PM
The higher the mount, the greater the penetration.
Now THAT sounds like good advice.. :wink:
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: SIR REAL ED on December 24, 2020, 07:41:54 PM
Huzo,

any plans to strip the black paint off the engine and/or transmission?
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on December 24, 2020, 07:50:24 PM
Huzo,

any plans to strip the black paint off the engine and/or transmission?
If I thought I could have gotten into the fins without stripping the engine, I would have mate.
I would be prepared to remove the engine/gearbox, but not strip the donk.
To have silver with black underneath is not acceptable.
Cylinders would require chemical removal or vapour blast, complete dissassembly.
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: SIR REAL ED on December 24, 2020, 10:43:33 PM
If I thought I could have gotten into the fins without stripping the engine, I would have mate.
I would be prepared to remove the engine/gearbox, but not strip the donk.
To have silver with black underneath is not acceptable.
Cylinders would require chemical removal or vapour blast, complete dissassembly.

Yeah.  I don't think that "hiding" the cylinders by painting them black did anything for the looks of the bike.  Guzzi cylinders should be at least seen and preferably highlighted.

On air cooled most bikes. black cylinders and polished fin edges look good to my eye.  I think by just taking the paint off the tops of the "fins" on the valve covers, it would do a surprising amount to highlight the cylinders.  If it were my bikes, I'd try a rubber sanding block and maybe some 220 grit paper as a quick experiment.  You can always repaint in black easily.

The pewter color of some bike engines might look better than black.  Easier to paint than strip.
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on December 24, 2020, 11:48:45 PM
The rocker cover thing is something I seriously considered, but not convinced enough to commit to it.
If I did that, it would command attention somewhere else IMO.
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: SIR REAL ED on December 25, 2020, 09:01:56 AM
The rocker cover thing is something I seriously considered, but not convinced enough to commit to it.
If I did that, it would command attention somewhere else IMO.

Yeah, different color, excuse me, colour, valve covers almost always look lazy and/or cheap to me.

That Guzzi engine, lacking side covers, does not lend itself to easy detailing.

Tough to evaluate without the bike in front of me.

I think it would be surprising how much just highlighting the valve cover "fins" would make those cylinders "pop" out.

At a minimum, I would try some pin striping tape or maybe a bottle of White Out which could be easily reversed.

The quest continues.... much easier than losing weight or getting Botox injections on a regular basis.....
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on December 26, 2020, 03:45:15 AM
Hmmm..yeah.
Anyway, I went about mounting the auxiliary lights on the V85.
I had a couple of methods kicking around, but the longer I thought about them, the less keen I got. After a lot more thinking, I decided to do this.l
(https://i.ibb.co/xCk2kLT/0-D4-FBF24-7-FEB-4-DC7-8-E39-3-D3-BAAB7-C45-B.jpg) (https://ibb.co/xCk2kLT)

That meant I could mount the lights directly by their own fittings, accept for one small glitch.
The front surface of the lower clamp is not straight, so the lights would have been ďtoed inĒ and I was not going to except that.
So I made two thick packers with an angled rear face, so that careful rotating would result in the lights being aligned straight and then pitched up or down to suit the attitude of the bike.
So that got me to here..
(https://i.ibb.co/16cksqY/0-CB68537-E982-49-CE-AF38-7-E877-BA6-BB0-C.jpg) (https://ibb.co/16cksqY)

(https://i.ibb.co/1TLdMkQ/6-FC20985-88-BA-43-CE-93-C1-51418747633-B.jpg) (https://ibb.co/1TLdMkQ)

(https://i.ibb.co/R3230NM/9-F157-CE5-BFBC-4-CF6-9-EE7-FE838-A0333-BE.jpg) (https://ibb.co/R3230NM)

Youíd think that would be wonderful and it (mostly) is, but the eagle eyed among you will notice that whilst the auxiliary lights are facing directly forward, the main headlight cluster faces off to the right, (as viewed by the rider..)
Bugger it all..!
Now I have to fix that mess..!
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Knuckle Dragger on December 26, 2020, 09:02:23 AM
Having cross-eyed spotties might not be such a bad thing.  It might look weird, but could prove useful for spotting & deterring those dusk-time Skippys lurking on the verges.
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on December 26, 2020, 11:24:39 AM
Having cross-eyed spotties might not be such a bad thing.  It might look weird, but could prove useful for spotting & deterring those dusk-time Skippys lurking on the verges.
Itís not quite that way though KD.
The spots can be aimed as you say, but they are currently straight forward. Itís the main headlights that are off centre and it looks pox.
Iíll fix it today...(somehow..).
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Trialsman on December 26, 2020, 12:54:11 PM
My headlights were off center as well.  Loosen the two bolts that hold the bracket to the frame.  There is enough room in the holes to shift the head lights centering them.  Hold them in place until you snug the bolts and you are good to go.  Merry Christmas Huzo.
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on December 26, 2020, 12:59:45 PM
My headlights were off center as well.  Loosen the two bolts that hold the bracket to the frame.  There is enough room in the holes to shift the head lights centering them.  Hold them in place until you snug the bolts and you are good to go.  Merry Christmas Huzo.
You bloody beauty Trialsman..!
Well spotted, I had not investigated that as a cause.. :bow: :thumb:
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on December 26, 2020, 03:45:10 PM
Had a look this morning and did this..

(https://i.ibb.co/6rxL2jD/430-AD2-F3-16-D0-4-FDE-AC54-D2-E0470512-BD.jpg) (https://ibb.co/6rxL2jD)

With the front wheel IN LINE it became possible to manipulate the packers to align the spots and get them in line with the headlights.
Now they look like this.

(https://i.ibb.co/NxGgCzz/5-FA00129-9-E0-F-40-C9-8-B2-E-CA637-EACC1-EA.jpg) (https://ibb.co/NxGgCzz)

I donít think Iíd put my vernier on them, but they will do until a night time run is done.
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Trialsman on December 26, 2020, 04:29:16 PM
 :thumb: :thumb:
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on December 26, 2020, 05:50:46 PM
:thumb: :thumb:
Thanks T.
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on December 26, 2020, 08:04:16 PM
Mounted my Stedi 25w on the crash bars, but might still raise them up a bit.


(https://i.ibb.co/Nx7wQDK/20201224-DSC02789.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Nx7wQDK)



(https://i.ibb.co/g3s9XFj/20201224-DSC02790.jpg) (https://ibb.co/g3s9XFj)

Hi mate.
Can you e mail me your phone number to
peterhughesxx@gmail.com
I am somewhat perplexed as to which wire/s to tap into behind the headlight.
I have found two wires that are live when high beam is on, but they stay live when low beam is selected.
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on December 27, 2020, 04:33:58 AM
Ok.
Well I ended up finding the wire that powers up the high beam circuit to the headlights from the left hand cluster (white), and ran it through a relay.
I have the spots so they come on with high beam. I donít have a controller to adjust illumination and would not rule out fitting one, but for now Iíll keep it as it is.
Tomorrow Iíll check the aiming and call it quits.
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on December 29, 2020, 04:00:10 PM
Iím really starting to think that black needs to come off the engine/gearbox.
Would vapour blasting do the job ?
Walnut shell maybe ?
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: lucky phil on December 29, 2020, 10:04:04 PM
Iím really starting to think that black needs to come off the engine/gearbox.
Would vapour blasting do the job ?
Walnut shell maybe ?

If you don't mind the possibility of oil seeps.

Ciao
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on December 30, 2020, 01:28:53 AM
If you don't mind the possibility of oil seeps.

Ciao
Do you expect the engine to leak if I change the colour ?
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: lucky phil on December 30, 2020, 05:01:24 AM
Do you expect the engine to leak if I change the colour ?

No, but stripping the original paint does risk oil leaks, not a massive risk but it's there. Even repainting after stripping you need to bare in mind that a significant part of the factory painting process is to mitigate porosity issues. I've dealt with these casting porosity issues a lot over the years including the Daytona/Centy engines.

Ciao 
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on December 30, 2020, 05:40:19 AM
No, but stripping the original paint does risk oil leaks, not a massive risk but it's there. Even repainting after stripping you need to bare in mind that a significant part of the factory painting process is to mitigate porosity issues. I've dealt with these casting porosity issues a lot over the years including the Daytona/Centy engines.

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Ok that seems to make sense, but I do intend to repaint the castings in silver like my Norge.
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: v85lover on January 03, 2021, 05:52:51 AM
Those cylinder heads need to go back to bare metal, would break up the black for sure.
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Unkept on January 03, 2021, 12:51:30 PM
I've liked your changes to your V85 Huzo.

Ever since I saw the new upcoming V7 with a new headlight, I've wondered what it might look like on your bike.

This is really poorly and quickly done but...


(https://i.ibb.co/G3mcjrt/V85-Headlight.png) (https://ibb.co/G3mcjrt)
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on January 03, 2021, 02:07:25 PM
I've liked your changes to your V85 Huzo.

Ever since I saw the new upcoming V7 with a new headlight, I've wondered what it might look like on your bike.

This is really poorly and quickly done but...


(https://i.ibb.co/G3mcjrt/V85-Headlight.png) (https://ibb.co/G3mcjrt)

Looks better than I imagined.
What does the engine and gearbox look like in the same colour as the swingarm ?
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: v85lover on January 03, 2021, 08:13:42 PM

(https://i.ibb.co/h8q360N/135870726-860677121427061-8874052962705737727-n.jpg) (https://ibb.co/h8q360N)
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Kiwi_Roy on January 03, 2021, 08:25:45 PM
I really like what you have done so far, I wouldn't strip the paint off the engine though, the black hides the dirt.
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Unkept on January 04, 2021, 06:12:55 AM
Looks better than I imagined.
What does the engine and gearbox look like in the same colour as the swingarm ?

I'm not really practiced in that kind of editing but...


(https://i.ibb.co/6gts9Rn/V85-Headlight-Silver-Engine.png) (https://ibb.co/6gts9Rn)


And a quick no luggage look...


(https://i.ibb.co/HYdKwqw/V85-Headlight-Silver-Engine-No-Luggage.png) (https://ibb.co/HYdKwqw)
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on January 05, 2021, 05:28:53 AM
Had a look this morning and did this..

(https://i.ibb.co/6rxL2jD/430-AD2-F3-16-D0-4-FDE-AC54-D2-E0470512-BD.jpg) (https://ibb.co/6rxL2jD)

With the front wheel IN LINE it became possible to manipulate the packers to align the spots and get them in line with the headlights.
Now they look like this.

(https://i.ibb.co/NxGgCzz/5-FA00129-9-E0-F-40-C9-8-B2-E-CA637-EACC1-EA.jpg) (https://ibb.co/NxGgCzz)

I donít think Iíd put my vernier on them, but they will do until a night time run is done.
Yeah...
They work.. :thumb:

(https://i.ibb.co/wLD8JNX/8-C614-BE0-D25-D-466-C-8892-FC84-D411-CE7-E.jpg) (https://ibb.co/wLD8JNX)

(https://i.ibb.co/7nPSHp8/25-AB1890-D94-E-4-FDC-ACB2-8-AF1-A1-A25395.jpg) (https://ibb.co/7nPSHp8)
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on January 20, 2021, 05:32:39 AM
Not a facelift thing, but an improvement I think..
Iím of the opinion that the twist grip on the V85 is unnecessarily heavy.
Just letting anyone whoís interested know, that I had a new one on the shelf and performed some home surgery on it with a view to making it lighter in itís action.
I ran a small blade through the joint line and cut the connecting screw/s that hold the halves together. Upon separation of the halves, it became apparent that the spring has about one and a half turns of preload on it,
(https://i.ibb.co/bbWk5dH/DC714526-7-A8-B-4-F36-BCB2-5-A0-FEF9-E55-A8.jpg) (https://ibb.co/bbWk5dH)

(https://i.ibb.co/hDRXhcP/06511-AEC-6-EF3-45-BF-8056-8-E0-DBD2-D8-C13.jpg) (https://ibb.co/hDRXhcP)


I reduced the pre load to half a turn and needless to say, the action is now nice and light.
Before you ask, yes the twist grip snaps shut when you release it. Hereís the modified one... (https://500pxdownload.com/)
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Vagrant on January 20, 2021, 07:43:14 AM
Instagram doesn't work for me. Can it be done while still on the bike by a dummy?
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on January 20, 2021, 08:43:45 AM
Instagram doesn't work for me. Can it be done while still on the bike by a dummy?
Would be possibly doable, but I donít know why you would purposely make it harder.
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on January 26, 2021, 11:04:36 PM
I took the crappy carbon guard off the Zard can.
Also the metallic badge thing. I thought it looked like something from a decomissioned Bulgarian circus cart..
(https://i.ibb.co/Wf4yBML/CF2-C36-B6-93-A0-4154-8-F6-F-584-F54-EA7-B4-B.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Wf4yBML)

(https://i.ibb.co/gDFntx7/369-CFE83-3-B3-F-4446-A767-15-C9-D9-A25002.jpg) (https://ibb.co/gDFntx7)
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on February 05, 2021, 04:24:12 PM
Bump.
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Bulldog9 on February 05, 2021, 05:28:23 PM
Any concerns about porosity from a motor or gearbox stripped of paint could easily be addressed with PJ1 case paint. They used to sell it in gloss and satin clear, as well as silver, etc. Stripped and painted several XS1100 engines over the years and used this to good effect.
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on February 05, 2021, 05:30:45 PM
Any concerns about porosity from a motor or gearbox stripped of it's paint could easily be addressed with PJ1 case paint. They used to sell it in gloss and satin clear, as well as silver, etc. Stripped and painted several XS1100 engines over the years and used this to good effect.
Yes.
That silver that I used is brake caliper paint.
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on April 13, 2021, 01:22:19 PM
Not a facelift thing, but an improvement I think..
Iím of the opinion that the twist grip on the V85 is unnecessarily heavy.
Just letting anyone whoís interested know, that I had a new one on the shelf and performed some home surgery on it with a view to making it lighter in itís action.
I ran a small blade through the joint line and cut the connecting screw/s that hold the halves together. Upon separation of the halves, it became apparent that the spring has about one and a half turns of preload on it,
(https://i.ibb.co/bbWk5dH/DC714526-7-A8-B-4-F36-BCB2-5-A0-FEF9-E55-A8.jpg) (https://ibb.co/bbWk5dH)

(https://i.ibb.co/hDRXhcP/06511-AEC-6-EF3-45-BF-8056-8-E0-DBD2-D8-C13.jpg) (https://ibb.co/hDRXhcP)


I reduced the pre load to half a turn and needless to say, the action is now nice and light.
Before you ask, yes the twist grip snaps shut when you release it. Hereís the modified one...
 (https://500pxdownload.com/)
Bump for ďV85 cruise control failĒ thread.
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: egschade on April 13, 2021, 02:02:38 PM
Not a facelift thing, but an improvement I think..
Iím of the opinion that the twist grip on the V85 is unnecessarily heavy.
Just letting anyone whoís interested know, that I had a new one on the shelf and performed some home surgery on it with a view to making it lighter in itís action.
I reduced the pre load to half a turn and needless to say, the action is now nice and light.
Before you ask, yes the twist grip snaps shut when you release it. Hereís the modified one...

Now that you've put this out I'm starting to agree that the pull Is a bit heavy (thanks a lot  :undecided:). I put some Biltwell Renegade grips on my V85 which have a larger diameter so maybe that will help. The modification looks straightforward enough though a bit fiddly. Did you have to re-calibrate the throttle when you were done?
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on April 13, 2021, 02:21:26 PM
Now that you've put this out I'm starting to agree that the pull Is a bit heavy (thanks a lot  :undecided:). I put some Biltwell Renegade grips on my V85 which have a larger diameter so maybe that will help. The modification looks straightforward enough though a bit fiddly. Did you have to re-calibrate the throttle when you were done?
Maybe it was unnecessary, but I did a throttle re learn anyway.
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: redhawk47 on April 13, 2021, 08:31:13 PM
Not a facelift thing, but an improvement I think..
Iím of the opinion that the twist grip on the V85 is unnecessarily heavy.
Just letting anyone whoís interested know, that I had a new one on the shelf and performed some home surgery on it with a view to making it lighter in itís action.
I ran a small blade through the joint line and cut the connecting screw/s that hold the halves together. Upon separation of the halves, it became apparent that the spring has about one and a half turns of preload on it,
(https://i.ibb.co/bbWk5dH/DC714526-7-A8-B-4-F36-BCB2-5-A0-FEF9-E55-A8.jpg) (https://ibb.co/bbWk5dH)

(https://i.ibb.co/hDRXhcP/06511-AEC-6-EF3-45-BF-8056-8-E0-DBD2-D8-C13.jpg) (https://ibb.co/hDRXhcP)


I reduced the pre load to half a turn and needless to say, the action is now nice and light.
Before you ask, yes the twist grip snaps shut when you release it. Hereís the modified one...
 (https://500pxdownload.com/)
So I missed something.  Why did you cut the screws?  Why not just unscrew them?
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: egschade on April 13, 2021, 09:54:01 PM
So I missed something.  Why did you cut the screws?  Why not just unscrew them?

Huzo said that the OEM throttle uses glued/pressed pins, not screws. He cut the pins, drilled them out and replaced with screws when he re-assembled the throttle
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on April 14, 2021, 02:26:06 AM
Huzo said that the OEM throttle uses glued/pressed pins, not screws. He cut the pins, drilled them out and replaced with screws when he re-assembled the throttle
Thatís almost exactly right.
However, the pins wind in on a thread and have a toothed clip hidden down a hole. Once the pin is cut, half will fall out and the other half can be wound out.
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on April 28, 2021, 03:42:36 PM
Iím not going to do this, but I thought it wasnít too bad a styling exercise and nice workmanship.
https://youtu.be/z5yQVyINB_Y
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: egschade on April 28, 2021, 08:04:23 PM
Nice workmanship. Wonder if we'll see this racing cowl / number plate on eBay some day.
Title: Re: V85 facelift
Post by: Huzo on April 28, 2021, 08:44:28 PM
Nice workmanship. Wonder if we'll see this racing cowl / number plate on eBay some day.
Mmmmm...