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Hello all, getting in here kinda late, but here it is.1) Born and raised in California, come here or don't, like the place or don't, like the people or don't.2) As far as lane splitting being a problem that needed to be solved, that is incorrect. The practice wasn't, isn't a problem.Lane splitting in Ca. isn't unlawful. That is the big major difference. It isn't legislated her like most everywhere else. There are other violations in the California Vehicle Code that reflect on various practices, that would stem from a squid dashing along at 60 between stopped traffic. The problem is a matter of practicality, do you chase said squid doing 60 by going 90 to catch him ? Do you wait for the collision, where Mr. Squid has now involved some innocent in his actions? No real good answer.3) Personal observation: The C.H.P. put out some public affairs guide lines about motorcycles and lane splitting a year or so ago. I commute from Ventura county into Calabasas every weekday. Calabasas is the epicenter for texting, calling, distracted and entitled drivers, period. I actually had folks moving over when I was splitting traffic, more so than normal. I thought, wow, this P.R. stuff actually worked to a degree that I did not expect. I was impressed. There were still squids.4) Then someone sent an angry letter to the Governors office saying he didn't like that the C.H.P. was endorsing this kind of behavior, and thought that Jerry should do something about it. Yep it takes 1 angry letter to kill a project. So the website came down, the P.R. campaign stopped, and not as many people are moving as before. There are still squids.5) I understand that the State will legislate lane splitting. This will probably not have an effect or affect on me or my actions.However, I have seen the process in action and the frankenstien like monstrosity that comes from these sessions, and I know I am just going to shake my head and say bad words under my breath. No it wasn't a problem that needed to be fixed.The fix, is generally not a good thing.6) Anyway, I hope other places can educate the masses and lane splitting can become a common practice most everywhere else.7) Gotta go, a friend has just bought some big $ Harley Electra Glide, so we gotta go have a looksee, a cup of coffee and such.kjf
Seems the new legislation is to fine tune the previous regulation concerned with filtering through traffic. There is no need to lane split at speeds higher than 45mph. I have been passed by squids while I was on the 405. They were going way faster and the traffic was moving at 30mph.
Law or no law. CHP can do what they want to do.
Rodekyll, I'm kind of surprised at you, taking a grudge against a whole state full of people, 39.8 million at last count.
Well, it's kind of hard NOT to assume that there's some arrogance and control-freaking going on when the majority of packages of EVERTHING I eat, drink, wash with, or clean with says:"The State of California has determined that this product contains ingredients that cause cancer". That's an overblown, BS statement, so if you don't want California impugned, make 'em take it off. You won't do it? Then a majority of you 39 million people are the problem.Lannis
Dear state representative,A member on a motorcycle list is annoyed with that carcinogen warning on various products & is of the opinion that it is BS. He's on the verge of pronouncing us Kalifornians as arrogant & controlling, I beseech you to reconsider this program.Cordially yours,
Hope that does it.
This is exactly right. Lane splitting in Kalifornia has been legal for decades if you follow the rules. It's the asshats that give it a bad name.
I hope other places can educate the masses and lane splitting can become a common practice most everywhere else.
Don't hold your breath. Lane sharing will not become common or legal outside Kalifornia in the lifetimes of anyone currently posting in this thread.It just won't.It would take a huge change in the status quo. "Wait your turn" is taught to people from kindergarten. "Don't cut line" is taught to people from kindergarten. Sorry, but most citizens will not be able to handle the sea change of allowing others to cut line and get an "unfair advantage" in traffic, regardless of how much it would help congestion. The culture just won't allow it.......It just won't happen anytime soon.
The lane sharing guidelines from the CHP were published in the LA Times and even on this forum. After that I saw where the attorney general of CA wanted these guidelines withdrawn because being issued by the CHP made them a "de-facto" law and it was determined that is was too soon to issue such guidelines until the legislature actually approved. In other words it could open a real can of worms in the courts.
Don't hold your breath. Lane sharing will not become common or legal outside Kalifornia in the lifetimes of anyone currently posting in this thread.It just won't.
As for the study, I find it unconvincing. They point out the problem with their analysis as if it supports them: the riders they're looking at apparently have better safety skills - apparel, alcohol, acceleration (they speed less.) So sure, they're able to [fill in the blank] and get away with fewer accidents than you might think - and that thoroughly disqualifies them as a statistically representative sample.
Curious statement, seems they all are somewhat related more or less, about normal for a thread no?
Well, some folks, if any comment on the thread is not SPECIFICALLY and EXACTLY related to the original post, they don't like that. In this case, the topic was the Berkeley Lane Splitting Study, so a comment on Lane Splitting that doesn't include the Study is "Off Topic" and needs to be commented on or suppressed ...If it's all in good fun, that's fine, but if it's not, then control-freakism may be raising it's ugly and prune-faced head .... Lannis
It always makes me happy to hear people bad mouthing California for any reason. And I'm glad when they're afraid of earthquakes and fires as well.Anything that discourages even one more person from moving here or staying here just makes my life that much better.
You can write what you like, Lannis, but those looking for information about a topic never get back the time they spend reading off-topic blather, like your comment. I get a bit impatient about it at times. Carry on as you like, but have you ever considered whether you really have over seven (7.275) useful remarks to contribute per day? I don't think you do. P.S. Don't call me prune faced.
Well, if me old mucker Dusty can have 13.9 remarks per day, and I'm only half as useful as him (a conservative estimate), then 7.2 remarks per day doesn't sound so bad. That's only one comment every three hours or so; I think it shows admirable restraint.Not only that, I make SURE I have my name at the top of every one of them, so anyone who wants to say "There's that Lannis again dammit" can just skip them and (now here's a shocking and radical concept) NOT READ THEM! Our friend "The Bailey" has already said that he doesn't read my BS at all, although for some reason he can't help responding to what he hasn't read, which leads to some interesting interchanges, like a blind guy fencing with someone who can see.If everyone has to wait their turn and raise their hand and say Mother May I and certify that they are On Topic before responding, the board's going to slow down some. There's probably some software (which comes with a stick up its butt, a hair bun in the back, and a real prune-ey face) which does that .... Lannis
You slow down the board by being off-topic. I hope that the Topics will lead to material I'm interested in, rather than to more of your bile and self-indulgence. You just waste my time more than you should, though you make an occasional worthwhile contribution.
I'm confused. When I lived in LA I split lanes all the time (almost always at stop lights and traffic jams, not at speed) and so did everyone else. I thought it already *was* legal?? The article implies that it is not currently legal, but may be if the new law passes. Am I missing something?
Christ, this subject has turned into the equivalent of an oil thread just because 1 person in Kalif. complained about it not even because of what it was for originally for, saving the over heating of an air cooled MC motor in stalled traffic. Cars are water cooled and their drivers don't understand that unlike them , a MC rider can't sit there w/o destroying his motor doing it. Even W/C MC motors can't stay stationary as long as car motors w/o overheating.
Christ, this subject has turned into the equivalent of an oil thread just because 1 person in Kalif. complained about it not even because of what it was originally for, saving the over heating of an air cooled MC motor in stalled traffic.