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Re: Whatcha Workin' On ?
« Reply #30 on: July 04, 2022, 07:08:33 PM »
Tires update . Got them on with the help of my H F m/c tire changer . Not scratching the rims has been a challenge so after some trial & error on previous jobs decided to try wrapping the irons w/cowhide worked great ! Rode about 90 Mi. To scuff them in . WOW , like I rollerskated onto a cork floor . All the small irregularities & jarring , gone . Way smoother. In the last 20 Mi. I gained enough confidence to drag the pegs on both sides ! Nuff said.

I've been singing the praises of Conti RAs for a long time now. Glad to hear you testify.  :smiley:
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Re: Whatcha Workin' On ?
« Reply #31 on: July 04, 2022, 08:35:03 PM »
Not something I want to be working on! I got a fresh battery for my recently finished Moto Morini 3-1/2, filled the test bottle up with fresh gas and tried to start it, no luck so I went to check valve clearance and the timing by shifting the bike into high gear to rotate the rear tire and ....... the gear shift is stuck in neutral. damn.



No way its going to budge so out came the motor, spilt the cases and spent the better part of the day trying to figure out why it bench shifts but once I join the cases its stuck.



The crank, transmission input and output shafts rotate freely. I pulled out the transmission shafts/gears and just left the shift drum and shifter, the drum is stuck once the cases are torqued up. Using Yamabond to seal the cases is too thin, it needs a paper gasket and a thick one at that. I could get a light into the joined cases through a shaft opening and observe the drum while trying to turn it.

I fitted some spare Guzzi Loop intake gaskets (the thin ones) and torqued the cases together, the shift drum now turns freely with the gear selector, another lesson learned; if the manual calls for a paper gasket use it and don't rely on form a gasket



I need to make a case center gasket out of some thick gasket paper, hopefully this will be the last time the motor comes out. Education is expensive no matter how you earn it.

Another lesson learned, check each rotating shaft separately with the cases torqued to be certain free movement is maintained.
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Re: Whatcha Workin' On ?
« Reply #32 on: July 04, 2022, 11:21:29 PM »
  If you have a local supplier , either Garlock {the green stuff) or Vellumoid (vegetable fiber) material comes in various thicknesses. An option would be a pump repair shop usually carries it in sheets.

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Re: Whatcha Workin' On ?
« Reply #33 on: July 05, 2022, 05:53:40 AM »
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That has been part of my education..
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Re: Whatcha Workin' On ?
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Re: Whatcha Workin' On ?
« Reply #34 on: July 05, 2022, 08:57:06 AM »
Working on my Cal. Parked it a year ago when I had difficulties bleeding the front brake after replacing the line. Got it bled out now, need to get it running. The battery took a charge so no issues there. Will pull the carbs and clean them, that hasn't been done in at least ten years.
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Re: Whatcha Workin' On ?
« Reply #35 on: July 05, 2022, 12:23:48 PM »
I rode that exact bike for a couple years in New Orleans, same year, model, color ;-) Fun to ride. Rode it for like two years with no plates haha :copcar: It was my landlords and he never rode it. Eventually I bought it from him, then sold it for a touring BMW to ride across the country.

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Re: Whatcha Workin' On ?
« Reply #36 on: July 05, 2022, 05:09:05 PM »
local gasket shop gave me a scrap piece of fairly thick gasket paper, about twice the thickness of a manila file folder, traced and punched / cut a gasket, the shifter now rotates, hurrah!




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Re: Whatcha Workin' On ?
« Reply #37 on: July 05, 2022, 05:18:30 PM »
local gasket shop gave me a scrap piece of fairly thick gasket paper, about twice the thickness of a manila file folder, traced and punched / cut a gasket, the shifter now rotates, hurrah!








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Re: Whatcha Workin' On ?
« Reply #38 on: July 05, 2022, 05:28:32 PM »
It was toasty today and so we took some tires to be mounted and road force balanced.  This one belongs to our youngest son.  We were just the "hired help"    :boozing:





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Re: Whatcha Workin' On ?
« Reply #39 on: July 05, 2022, 06:51:02 PM »
local gasket shop gave me a scrap piece of fairly thick gasket paper, about twice the thickness of a manila file folder, traced and punched / cut a gasket, the shifter now rotates, hurrah!





That will get you an attaboy..  :smiley: :thumb:
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Re: Whatcha Workin' On ?
« Reply #40 on: July 06, 2022, 08:59:01 AM »
I'm still trying to figure out how to drop the pan on my EV to change the filter. 

You guys are so much more mechanically inclined than me.   :sad:
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Re: Whatcha Workin' On ?
« Reply #41 on: July 06, 2022, 10:36:47 AM »
I'm still trying to figure out how to drop the pan on my EV to change the filter. 

You guys are so much more mechanically inclined than me.   :sad:
Well, I'm assuming you have all the bolts out, including bolts toward the middle?  Is is glued on? Are you serious?  :grin:
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Re: Whatcha Workin' On ?
« Reply #42 on: July 06, 2022, 11:33:20 AM »
I'm still trying to figure out how to drop the pan on my EV to change the filter. 

You guys are so much more mechanically inclined than me.   :sad:

Well, I'm assuming you have all the bolts out, including bolts toward the middle?  Is is glued on? Are you serious?  :grin:

Yeah, those last four can be elusive...even if you 'knew' about them once, but it's been a long winter....   :undecided:


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Re: Whatcha Workin' On ?
« Reply #43 on: July 06, 2022, 11:53:43 AM »
as for me... This bike is the ongoing challenge. One I've not thrown myself at it adequately. Finally finished with the rebuilt linked brakes on Independence Day, and they are wonderful. Engine is all buttoned up. Coils mounted in a manner I'm actually pretty proud of, but...

The headlight and tailight do not illuminate in standard 'running' mode. The headlight flashes bright, and the parking light operates. The taillight flashes when braking. So bulbs are good and power is there. I have to assume I fouled a connection somewhere during the refresh, rather than that the switchgear is responsible? Open to suggestions.



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Re: Whatcha Workin' On ?
« Reply #44 on: July 06, 2022, 12:38:30 PM »

Using Yamabond to seal the cases is too thin, it needs a paper gasket and a thick one at that.

I fitted some spare Guzzi Loop intake gaskets (the thin ones) and torqued the cases together, the shift drum now turns freely with the gear selector, another lesson learned; if the manual calls for a paper gasket use it and don't rely on form a gasket


Very odd as every 3 1/2 engine I've torn down (four so far) hasn't had a gasket between the halves, and the three I've built back up haven't needed one during reassembly. All shift very well.
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Re: Whatcha Workin' On ?
« Reply #45 on: July 06, 2022, 03:19:58 PM »
Well, I'm assuming you have all the bolts out, including bolts toward the middle?  Is is glued on? Are you serious?  :grin:

serious as freakin' heart....  anyway.

I got the oil pump replaced at Don's shop more than a year ago.  So I'm doing a fluid change & tune up.  Of course I drained the oil first and then I tried to change the filter - and I remembered the 4 middle bolts- and it's STUCK, like mallet hit stuck.  Like one piece.  And this one has a spacer so it's three pieces.  And I noticed the "tech" overtightened everything.  I saw his lipstick marks and they were way tighter than I ever put it on.  I'm guessing he got his metrics mixed up with his SAE.

I worked on it in my dirty garage, head to toe with dead leaves, grit and grease, lying on the concrete floor, wishing I had a heavier mallet.  I had anticipated a couple of hours for the entire fluid, valves and plug job, so I saw little need to clean up the place before I started.  And I was pissed.   :evil:  Then former AMA Flat Tracker Ronnie Jones shows up at my house and wants my vote for County Commissioner, I reminded him that we'd had lunch before and I wasn't part of his political party.. I forgot to tell him he never thanked me after I dropped off that photo I took of him at Springfield. I digress... So....

OK, Don, the shop owner told me the tech (no longer there) used gasket sealer and that he'll take care of it on the next oil change.  Why he used sealer?  There has never been sealer on it before, so why did he put it on?  And I can only hope it's nothing stronger.   :sad:

yeah, I'm still pissed about it.  :evil:  And it's been a month.  I could go on... but I guess everyone gets the general idea.  I could use one of Fubar's Coors now.    :boozing:



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Re: Whatcha Workin' On ?
« Reply #46 on: July 06, 2022, 03:55:43 PM »
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Re: Whatcha Workin' On ?
« Reply #47 on: July 06, 2022, 04:46:49 PM »
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OK, Don, the shop owner told me the tech (no longer there) used gasket sealer and that he'll take care of it on the next oil change.

Well, at least he will take care of it. It won't hurt anything to go a little longer on the filter change.
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« Reply #48 on: July 06, 2022, 06:30:00 PM »
serious as freakin' heart....  anyway.

I got the oil pump replaced at Don's shop more than a year ago.  So I'm doing a fluid change & tune up.  Of course I drained the oil first and then I tried to change the filter - and I remembered the 4 middle bolts- and it's STUCK, like mallet hit stuck.  Like one piece.  And this one has a spacer so it's three pieces.  And I noticed the "tech" overtightened everything.  I saw his lipstick marks and they were way tighter than I ever put it on.  I'm guessing he got his metrics mixed up with his SAE.

I worked on it in my dirty garage, head to toe with dead leaves, grit and grease, lying on the concrete floor, wishing I had a heavier mallet.  I had anticipated a couple of hours for the entire fluid, valves and plug job, so I saw little need to clean up the place before I started.  And I was pissed.   :evil:  Then former AMA Flat Tracker Ronnie Jones shows up at my house and wants my vote for County Commissioner, I reminded him that we'd had lunch before and I wasn't part of his political party.. I forgot to tell him he never thanked me after I dropped off that photo I took of him at Springfield. I digress... So....

OK, Don, the shop owner told me the tech (no longer there) used gasket sealer and that he'll take care of it on the next oil change.  Why he used sealer?  There has never been sealer on it before, so why did he put it on?  And I can only hope it's nothing stronger.   :sad:

yeah, I'm still pissed about it.  :evil:  And it's been a month.  I could go on... but I guess everyone gets the general idea.  I could use one of Fubar's Coors now.    :boozing:

Maybe black gasket sealer?  If dude used the black silicone-type product called The Right Stuff, you’ll need more than one beer and a little bit of swearing.  That stuff really works.

If it was me and there weren’t any solid or hollow dowels locating the pan into the block (no idea how that bike is configured), I would get out some of my trusted Spider Wire or similar hi test braided fishing line and use it like dental floss to cut/break the seal on all corners as deep as I could between pan & block.  That may help get the pan started enough that you can get it loose.  You can even use a couple of loops of it in place to help pull the pan without typical pry-bar damage.

I use that braided line for lots of non-fishing stuff since my father-in-law introduced me to it during our surf fishing outings.  Think the spool I have in shop now is 30lb test Spider wire from Walmart.  Really tough stuff. It’s saved my bacon more than once.
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Re: Whatcha Workin' On ?
« Reply #49 on: July 06, 2022, 06:41:23 PM »
- and it's STUCK, like mallet hit stuck.  Like one piece.  And this one has a spacer so it's three pieces.  And I noticed the "tech" overtightened everything.  I saw his lipstick marks and they were way tighter than I ever put it on.  I'm guessing he got his metrics mixed up with his SAE.

yeah, I'm still pissed about it.  :evil:  And it's been a month.  I could go on... but I guess everyone gets the general idea.  I could use one of Fubar's Coors now.    :boozing:

A prybar wedged between the bellhousing and oil drain plug should pop it right off. The spacer should a nub on it to facilitate doing the same thing.
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Re: Whatcha Workin' On ?
« Reply #50 on: July 06, 2022, 08:57:18 PM »
Well, at least he will take care of it. It won't hurt anything to go a little longer on the filter change.

We'll see.  I botched job could total the dang bike.  I've got 55k miles of filter change under my belt, I would guess 6 or 8 times.  I was thinking the fishing line might work to cut the seal.  I shudder to think about it.....
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« Reply #51 on: July 06, 2022, 08:58:14 PM »
A prybar wedged between the bellhousing and oil drain plug should pop it right off. The spacer should a nub on it to facilitate doing the same thing.

thanks  :thumb:

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« Reply #52 on: July 06, 2022, 09:03:32 PM »
Maybe black gasket sealer?  If dude used the black silicone-type product called The Right Stuff, you’ll need more than one beer and a little bit of swearing.  That stuff really works.

If it was me and there weren’t any solid or hollow dowels locating the pan into the block (no idea how that bike is configured), I would get out some of my trusted Spider Wire or similar hi test braided fishing line and use it like dental floss to cut/break the seal on all corners as deep as I could between pan & block.  That may help get the pan started enough that you can get it loose.  You can even use a couple of loops of it in place to help pull the pan without typical pry-bar damage.

I use that braided line for lots of non-fishing stuff since my father-in-law introduced me to it during our surf fishing outings.  Think the spool I have in shop now is 30lb test Spider wire from Walmart.  Really tough stuff. It’s saved my bacon more than once.

I thought about fishing line.  Charlie's wedge idea is pretty good too.

I haven't a clue what's glued it together.   I can't imagine why in the hell anyone would do that.  I mean if you take off the pan and see that it's a naked gasket, why in the world would glue the damned thing on?  And I gave them gaskets from my own stash in the first place rightly assuming they didn't have any in stock.   :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry:
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Re: Whatcha Workin' On ?
« Reply #53 on: July 06, 2022, 09:13:25 PM »
     The job list never ends, but for myself the most interesting thing I've been working on lately, is a challenging piece of music,  wwaaayyy outside my wheelhouse, "God We Need You Now" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2pWOD1nk7g

     I'm always in the hunt for interesting gospel style tunes and I stumbled across this beauty that was adopted as one of the theme songs for the Freedom Convoy. It's a very powerful tune, but the verses are done rap style by Struggle Jennings, and the chorus' are done by Caitlynne Curtis. I'm no rapper, so I'm doing a style of spoken verse, and I sure don't have the angelic pipes that Caitlynne does. It's been very challenging, making my Low C tuning, finger pick style fit, pushing the timing and chord structure around to make it work for me, but it's a good feeling, as it's starting to gel and work for me.

   
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Re: Whatcha Workin' On ?
« Reply #54 on: July 06, 2022, 09:28:01 PM »
I thought about fishing line.  Charlie's wedge idea is pretty good too.

I haven't a clue what's glued it together.   I can't imagine why in the hell anyone would do that.  I mean if you take off the pan and see that it's a naked gasket, why in the world would glue the damned thing on?  And I gave them gaskets from my own stash in the first place rightly assuming they didn't have any in stock.   :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry:

with you providing new gaskets, I bet dude expected to wreck a glued-on gasket pulling the pan like you do on every 350 or 302 V8….  Then he got it apart and said “huh- look at that.  some idiot forgot to put any sealer on the gasket last time they worked on it..  I’ll fix that”.   No good deed goes unpunished.     

Charlie’s prying instructions sound great.  I know you can pry against the installed drain plug on older bikes like mine, but I’m reluctant to suggest that on bikes I don’t know.  I’m trying not to break things like I used to

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Re: Whatcha Workin' On ?
« Reply #55 on: July 06, 2022, 10:57:49 PM »
Try a heat gun on that sealer.
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Re: Whatcha Workin' On ?
« Reply #56 on: July 07, 2022, 06:20:35 AM »
Two major projects going on. First is my 74 Dodge Powerwagon that im getting road worthy. Been in family since 76 and only 19k miles. Off the road since the 80's.





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« Reply #57 on: July 07, 2022, 06:56:27 AM »
It's been 100+ degrees around here with a lot of humidity.  Fortunately, there's a 44" door on our walkout basement.  And a radio.  And snacks.    :boozing:

Time to get to cleaning and shining.





And then there's the service, and a general "once-over"









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Everything else is cleaned and shined.  The service (s) are up to date and tires are in order.
The lawn is burnt out, and the cars have been washed and interiors cleaned.

I'm looking hard for my next project !


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Re: Whatcha Workin' On ?
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Quote from: Antietam Classic Cycle on July 06, 2022, 06:38:30 PM
Very odd as every 3 1/2 engine I've torn down (four so far) hasn't had a gasket between the halves, and the three I've built back up haven't needed one during reassembly. All shift very well.
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Never worked on a Morini but last year I had to replace the gearbox in my Ducati M900 as it lost some teeth from the 6th gear on the output shaft.
The bike was built with a gasket between the case halves but I reassembled using just threebond, of course the crank preload and gearbox/shift drum end floats needed to be set accordingly and that is done by adding/removing shims on the shafts - do Morinis not have a similar setup?


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Re: Whatcha Workin' On ?
« Reply #59 on: July 07, 2022, 08:48:53 AM »

Quote from: Antietam Classic Cycle on July 06, 2022, 06:38:30 PM
Very odd as every 3 1/2 engine I've torn down (four so far) hasn't had a gasket between the halves, and the three I've built back up haven't needed one during reassembly. All shift very well.
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Never worked on a Morini but last year I had to replace the gearbox in my Ducati M900 as it lost some teeth from the 6th gear on the output shaft.
The bike was built with a gasket between the case halves but I reassembled using just threebond, of course the crank preload and gearbox/shift drum end floats needed to be set accordingly and that is done by adding/removing shims on the shafts - do Morinis not have a similar setup?


Morinis do have shims on a few shafts, but nothing too critical - certainly not like a Ducati. Remember the Morini v-twin was designed to be built by semi-skilled workers.
Charlie

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