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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Canuck750 on June 17, 2021, 09:28:41 PM
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I didn’t think any North American manufacturer would bring back a small 1/4 ton type truck, the reborn Ranger is almost as big as a full size pickup from the 70’s but Ford thinks there’s a market for a small truck. The Ford Maverick is kinda interesting to me as it’s more like the size of my 2010 Ranger extended cab 4x4 with convenience of four doors at the expense of a pretty short box. I think this ‘truck’ is based on a SUV platform and may not be up to carrying much and the ‘box’ looks to be integral with the cab, everything old is new again
I like the new Ranger but it costs almost as much as a full size F150, I wonder where this new mini truck will price out at and if there is really a market for it?
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I think this is a unibody truck like the Honda.
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I've only read a couple of introductory things about the Maverick. I think it's gonna start at $20k in the US, possibly all have a hybrid drivetrain, and I forget the platform to which it's supposed to be related.
I think the Bronco and Ranger are related so it's gotta be something else? Maybe like the Bronco Sport/Escape.
Unibody in and of itself doesn't bother me, hell I had a Subaru Baja (and loved it)!
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I like it
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I want VW to bring back the Rabbit truck!
99% of people living and driving in the US have no need for a full size truck. I think these will sell like hotcakes.
-AJ
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The unibody doesn't bother me, hell I would probably have an AWD Honda Ridgeline if they weren't so bloody expensive and ugly.
I wish there was a 2-door option, I have never had anyone in the backset of my current car in 8 years of ownership! The only other thing missing is 5000# towing capacity, and you can only get close to that on the pricey one. I dont have an RV yet but we have been talking about it.
But I guess people in hell want ice water.... So I will shrug and keep rolling in the Subaru. I am very glad to see a small US truck back in production tho.
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I kinda like it. My need for a truck is towing, and hauling stuff, so I would pass, but I like the looks of it, and specs seem pretty good. If that price point sticks, I bet they sell a ton of them.
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I think it will sell like hotcakes and I might be a customer. I too would prefer it just be a 2 door with a longer bed but with the standard hybrid powertrain I am sure they don't want people loading up the bed with 2,000lbs of stuff. I think lots of people will buy it as a 2nd or 3rd car, for those times when they just need to haul something.
Scott
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From what I read the hybrid is only available with FWD. This is the trim that is getting quoted as 40 mpg. In order to get 4WD you have to opt for the turbo 4 - no hybrid - so mileage drops to 21/26 mpg. Which, in my experience, means I would be getting 21 mpg.
I like to have 4WD in the winter, but need to have it pulling the boat out of the water. I can't imagine trying to pull a boat up a wet ramp with a FWD vehicle. RWD? Sure, I've done it. But FWD? Doesn't seem like a good idea to me.
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I've only read a couple of introductory things about the Maverick. I think it's gonna start at $20k in the US, possibly all have a hybrid drivetrain, and I forget the platform to which it's supposed to be related.
I think the Bronco and Ranger are related so it's gotta be something else? Maybe like the Bronco Sport/Escape.
Unibody in and of itself doesn't bother me, hell I had a Subaru Baja (and loved it)!
The Bronco and Maverick share the same unibody platform. The Ranger is a larger ladder frame truck. I bought a RWD ‘20 Ranger in November and am very pleased with it. It is a bit big for my needs though, and KBB says I could sell it now for more than I paid for it. Not sure I believe that and I probably won’t sell it, but I’m watching the Maverick with interest.
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It looks like the decked out price for a Maverick is about the same as the base price for a Ridgeline. Sounds like a good value if you don’t need a tow vehicle which neither really are.
Pete
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The Bronco and Maverick share the same unibody platform. The Ranger is a larger ladder frame truck. I bought a RWD ‘20 Ranger in November and am very pleased with it. It is a bit big for my needs though, and KBB says I could sell it now for more than I paid for it. Not sure I believe that and I probably won’t sell it, but I’m watching the Maverick with interest.
I think you're confusing the Bronco with the Bronco Sport (not hard to do since Ford was so dumb with their naming conventions).
The soon to debut Bronco is a RWD-based body on frame vehicle.
The already out there, Bronco Sport is a FWD-based, unibody, similar to the Escape.
https://www.trucks.com/2020/07/13/ford-unveils-2021-bronco-suv/
Every Bronco will have four-wheel-drive, with the larger two-door and four-door models having significant off-road capability. Ford is using one of its global truck platforms for the vehicles. They have a body-on-frame architecture. The smaller Bronco Sport has unibody construction – like current crossovers on the market.
https://www.caranddriver.com/ford/maverick
Instead of sharing parts and mechanicals with the Ranger, the Maverick rides on the same chassis as the Bronco Sport compact crossover.
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It looks cool!
but its not much of an innovation. Just the same platform as their Bronco/Escape SUV with the back chopped off.
What is a surprise is that they are selling a relatively cheap 'pickup-style' vehicle that might cannibalize some of their cowboy cadillac sales.
They must think the market share gained on Honda Ridgeline class segment will offset the loss of sales in Ford's "real" pick up trucks.
The marketing boys at Ford must be thinking that almost no one who would normally buy a F150 or Ranger would buy the lesser capable (base model) Maverick.
Probably a pretty good vehicle, but not to be confused with a workhorse. Pretty much the same capacity as a compact SUV. (and about the same as a 1973 Maverick sedan?)
Now if Ford would strip-down a non-hybrid v6 tudor Ranger and hit the 20,000 dollar price tag, that would be something. They could pump those babies out quick and cheap and without Chinese microchips. I will take mine with steel wheels, no hubcaps, no cupholders, no spare tire, vinyl bench seat, no radio or floormats. That is a wild fantasy to think they would do that...
I think this is the truck that would be dominating USA roads if the bureaucracy of regulators had not kept it out. The competition form Mahindra would have forced US car manufacturers to give the consumer what they want at a competitive price.
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It looks like the decked out price for a Maverick is about the same as the base price for a Ridgeline. Sounds like a good value if you don’t need a tow vehicle which neither really are.
Pete
My neighbor pulls his bass boat all over the state with his Ridgeline. I've towed U-Haul bike trailers all over the country with my Isuzu Trooper. OTOH, I have light 5th wheel toy hauler that I tow with a Duramax diesel.
I guess it depends what is meant by a "tow vehicle". IMO, TV means 3/4 ton +.
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I think you're confusing the Bronco with the Bronco Sport (not hard to do since Ford was so dumb with their naming conventions).
The soon to debut Bronco is a RWD-based body on frame vehicle.
The already out there, Bronco Sport is a FWD-based, unibody, similar to the Escape.
https://www.trucks.com/2020/07/13/ford-unveils-2021-bronco-suv/
https://www.caranddriver.com/ford/maverick
crap, I had no idea. TWO Broncos? No wonder no one can figure out all this hype. Perhaps they should've called the Sport, Maverick? And unibody truck something else?
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You guys are thinking about this all wrong, hung up on towing capacity and 4WD and what not. The Maverick only LOOKS like a truck, but it's not a truck. It's a Ford Escape with an open bed, or basically a car with a truck-like bed. It's for suburbanites who hardly ever need a truck, don't tow a boat, but need to put 10 bags of mulch in the back for their weekend flower bed project. Or take their kids to hockey practice and want to throw two rank smelling hockey bags in the back, outside. Or bring home a new grill or lawnmower as a gift for father's day.
It's not a truck.
-AJ
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The unibody doesn't bother me, hell I would probably have an AWD Honda Ridgeline if they weren't so bloody expensive and ugly.
I wish there was a 2-door option, I have never had anyone in the backset of my current car in 8 years of ownership! The only other thing missing is 5000# towing capacity, and you can only get close to that on the pricey one. I dont have an RV yet but we have been talking about it.
But I guess people in hell want ice water.... So I will shrug and keep rolling in the Subaru. I am very glad to see a small US truck back in production tho.
As an RV owner of 12 years, who started with a 4.3 6cyl 1500, through two 5.3 V8s and now a Duramax diesel 3500. You can never have too much truck for towing, but you definitely can have too much for a lot of parking lots. :laugh:
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What is a surprise is that they are selling a relatively cheap 'pickup-style' vehicle that might cannibalize some of their cowboy cadillac sales.
They must think the market share gained on Honda Ridgeline class segment will offset the loss of sales in Ford's "real" pick up trucks.
The marketing boys at Ford must be thinking that almost no one who would normally buy a F150 or Ranger would buy the lesser capable (base model) Maverick.
Good point.
And I think they are sure. I realize it's not completely apples-to-apples, but they've got 125,000 orders for the upcoming RWD/4WD Bronco, so the earlier introduction of the Bronco Sport (other than the confusion it's causing) hasn't hurt the pre-sales of the larger, truck-based unit.
Sorta like the relationship between the Wrangler and the Renegade. MOST buyers of either aren't really considering the other.
crap, I had no idea. TWO Broncos? No wonder no one can figure out all this hype. Perhaps they should've called the Sport, Maverick? And unibody truck something else?
Yeah this crap has been going on for more than a year.
They announced the new Bronco with model info and engine platforms.
Then they RELEASED the Bronco Sport and lots of people were like WTF, those engines are smaller then they promised, and this doesn't seem like a Wrangler competitor etc.
Now they are finally releasing the actual Bronco and a good bit of the public have no idea it's a different vehicle from the Bronco.
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You guys are thinking about this all wrong, hung up on towing capacity and 4WD and what not. The Maverick only LOOKS like a truck, but it's not a truck. It's a Ford Escape with an open bed, or basically a car with a truck-like bed. It's for suburbanites who hardly ever need a truck, don't tow a boat, but need to put 10 bags of mulch in the back for their weekend flower bed project. Or take their kids to hockey practice and want to throw two rank smelling hockey bags in the back, outside. Or bring home a new grill or lawnmower as a gift for father's day.
It's not a truck.
-AJ
As an RV owner of 12 years, who started with a 4.3 6cyl 1500, through two 5.3 V8s and now a Duramax diesel 3500. You can never have too much truck for towing, but you definitely can have too much for a lot of parking lots. :laugh:
You're both completely right.
I mean this is probably the pendulum swinging back to something more practical.
So many people who drive these monster pickups really don't need THAT much truck. They are HUGE - tall, long, can't really fit in parking spots etc.
The "compact" or "mid-sized" trucks (Colorado, Ranger, Tacoma, Ridgeline) are now as big (or bigger) than what full-size trucks were years ago.
This Maverick is a return to something that's actually a COMPACT truck, though I bet it's still bigger than the original Ranger, S10, VW etc.
But again, it's all MOST of us probably need, just like my Subaru Baja was fine! I even carried a motorcycle in the bed once. No worries.
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Interesting comments and good information/ links. I will probably keep my 2010 Ranger for a long time, it’s over 10 years old but has just over 100,000 km on it and it’s a third vehicle that all my kids and relatives borrow when they need to take junk to the dump, pick up furniture or get some sod or mulch for landscaping. It is pretty basic just air/ cruise and PW but it came with carpet delete option, all plastic interior, just open the doors and hose it out. The jump seats are pretty useless in the back but the bed length is decent and the 4x4 system gives me no trouble. It’s my second Ranger, the last one had almost 300,000 km and was faultless, probably still on the road. I live in a harsh climate and calcium chloride is used in winters on the roads but neither of my Rangers had or have rust issues.
The Maverick may be too fancy for me but for what I use a truck for the unibody platform is not an issue. A $20K US base price is impressive in today’s world.
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If the price between a 4x4 ICE Maverick and the Hyundai Santa Cruz are similar, I would choose the Hyundai styling any day of the week. Similar size, unibody construction, utilitarianism, etc.
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a36125131/2022-hyundai-santa-cruz-pickup-revealed/
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If the price between a 4x4 ICE Maverick and the Hyundai Santa Cruz are similar, I would choose the Hyundai styling any day of the week. Similar size, unibody construction, utilitarianism, etc.
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a36125131/2022-hyundai-santa-cruz-pickup-revealed/
But since people aren't wearing masks anymore then people will SEE YOU driving a Hyundai. :boozing:
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I think you're confusing the Bronco with the Bronco Sport (not hard to do since Ford was so dumb with their naming conventions).
Damn. I sure am. That explains my confusion when I saw a Bronco Sport in the neighborhood and wondered, that’s what people are excited about?!
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But since people aren't wearing masks anymore then people will SEE YOU driving a Hyundai. :boozing:
I was hunting for a clean first gen Ridgeline and spread the news at work.
No less than 3 Ford/Chevy guys informed me that
"Ridgeline owners pee sitting down" ...funny bunch of guys :shocked:
STILL, would love that Ridgeline.
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I was hunting for a clean first gen Ridgeline and spread the news at work.
No less than 3 Ford/Chevy guys informed me that
"Ridgeline owners pee sitting down" ...funny bunch of guys :shocked:
STILL, would love that Ridgeline.
Ha ha - though I do like the under-bed storage in the Ridgeline (the new model still has that right?).
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Not sure. My buddy just bought a new Ridgeline, loves it. I haven't passed on the pee joke to him yet, though it's just a matter of time :evil:
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I’ve been a mopar guy since I was 16 years old. However Ford motor company definitely has my attention with three of their pickups, the Maverick, new Ranger and the old workhorse F150.
Personally if the Ranger gets close to the same highway MPG ratings, I’d probably go there first and if the F150 V6 Ecotec gets anywhere close to the bigger motor Ranger, then I’d probably go with the 1/2 ton Ford.
I guess what I’m saying is for my use it would not be practical to go with a small pickup over a larger one with a 12k + towing capacity, for only a 5MPG difference. Especially when the 1500 Ford is capable of 25 MPG highway miles numbers.
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I was hunting for a clean first gen Ridgeline and spread the news at work.
No less than 3 Ford/Chevy guys informed me that
"Ridgeline owners pee sitting down" ...funny bunch of guys :shocked:
STILL, would love that Ridgeline.
How any man who cleans their own bathroom, doesnt pee sitting down-- baffles me. I know this clearly places me in the minority. But again, I haven't pissed on my pants, shirttail, bathroom floor, shoe, or hand in 20+ years because of it. I get out all my macho standing to pee quota out in the yard or in public restrooms
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Yes,sir.
Like I said, "funny bunch of guys".
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I’ve been a mopar guy since I was 16 years old. However Ford motor company definitely has my attention with three of their pickups, the Maverick, new Ranger and the old workhorse F150.
Personally if the Ranger gets close to the same highway MPG ratings, I’d probably go there first and if the F150 V6 Ecotec gets anywhere close to the bigger motor Ranger, then I’d probably go with the 1/2 ton Ford.
I guess what I’m saying is for my use it would not be practical to go with a small pickup over a larger one with a 12k + towing capacity, for only a 5MPG difference. Especially when the 1500 Ford is capable of 25 MPG highway miles numbers.
eeeehhhhhhhhh.
If I were buying tomorrow I'd be looking at Mopar or GM for a NA motor. I don't want a turbo on my truck if I don't have to have it.
I mean don't get me wrong I've owned turbos and supercharged motors. Jenn's Defender motor is pretty damn impressive and all that. But for my simple needs, I'll take NA if I can get it.
Plus, in the past decade all of the NA motors I've owned/driven could meet or beat EPA numbers, while all the forced induction motors STRUGGLED to match EPA ratings (and this was borne out by consumer reports and the like, the EPA ratings even the revised methods have conditions that favor the forced induction motors, but the real world is still the real world).
So no Eco-Boost motors for me if I can avoid them thanks.
That said, when I was in Denver last month I rented a 2.0 turbo Wrangler Rubicon which was pretty damn impressive. I guess if I lived at altitude I wouldn't hesitate. But I don't.
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I believe they're counting on short memories of the consumer as the Explorer SportTrac was not a success they had hoped. We shall see......
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Paul B :boozing:
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You guys are thinking about this all wrong, hung up on towing capacity and 4WD and what not. The Maverick only LOOKS like a truck, but it's not a truck. It's a Ford Escape with an open bed, or basically a car with a truck-like bed. It's for suburbanites who hardly ever need a truck, don't tow a boat, but need to put 10 bags of mulch in the back for their weekend flower bed project. Or take their kids to hockey practice and want to throw two rank smelling hockey bags in the back, outside. Or bring home a new grill or lawnmower as a gift for father's day.
It's not a truck.
-AJ
BINGO!! And they will sell like hotcakes. I know three guys who have already been to the local dealership and plan on buying one. There is a market for these "trucks" and I would buy one if/when I ever decide to own four wheels again. I had an original Tacoma and my son still has a pre-steroidal Ranger. These smaller trucks were perfect for my needs and I'm sure many others out there will agree.
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You guys are thinking about this all wrong, hung up on towing capacity and 4WD and what not. The Maverick only LOOKS like a truck, but it's not a truck. It's a Ford Escape with an open bed, or basically a car with a truck-like bed. It's for suburbanites who hardly ever need a truck, don't tow a boat, but need to put 10 bags of mulch in the back for their weekend flower bed project. Or take their kids to hockey practice and want to throw two rank smelling hockey bags in the back, outside. Or bring home a new grill or lawnmower as a gift for father's day.
It's not a truck.
-AJ
yeah, if it doesn't a have diesel engine, it's not a truck.
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Confushion you say! How about a V7-750 and a V7-850.
Anybody own an original maverick? POS!!!
Furthermore, how many ridgelines do you think Honda sells. Very few I bet.
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Confushion you say! How about a V7-750 and a V7-850.
Anybody own an original maverick? POS!!!
Furthermore, how many ridgelines do you think Honda sells. Very few I bet.
Around 30,000 per year.
-AJ
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I'd guess there might some local delivery, small appliance and landscape use for them. Especially if you can get 40 mpg around town, I'd imagine it would attractive deal. Perhaps cheaper than a EV with a bump in fuel economy/emissions?
Heck, Fiat imports a Dodge FWD commercial van that Winnebago makes into an RV. Weird, since MOPAR invented the minivan.
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I really like this truck....thinking of selling my 2006 Ridgeline and going with this Maverick.....my Ridgeline has been a great truck but the new ones are crazy expensive....I have no need for the “BIG” trucks....they are getting as big as semi’s....Ford is gonna sell a ton of these Maverick’s.
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crap, I had no idea. TWO Broncos? No wonder no one can figure out all this hype. Perhaps they should've called the Sport, Maverick? And unibody truck something else?
Range Rover does something similar with their Discovery and Discovery Sport. I think Ford did a great job with the new Escape based Bronco Sport and F150 Based Bronco.
I fondly remember the days of the little pickups from Mitsubishi, Toyota, etc, and always wanted a Rabbit Pickup or Subaru Brat. The new trend is going to be more of the smaller unibody pickups. Several models are launching the next few years.
I'll stick with my Tundra TRD PRO. It's paid for and will likely outlast my driving abilities.
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I am on my 5th F 150. Last 3 were standard cab short wheelbase, 6 ft bed. I own a 2020 XL model now. I use it as a truck. Center seat removed and only 2 seats. Over 200 hp, will carry a load, pull a trailer and has a real frame that makes it safe. It has all the features that the high end models without chrome, leather or carpet. It is fast/quick and handles great. I would take a swb over a Ranger any day. Bigger cab and real man size seats. And cheaper. By in the fall when model year clearance is going on.
I traded in my 10 y.o. truck with a blown motor and wrote a check for $8,500 after buy downs, rebate, and a plan sharing programs. Truck I bought set on dealer lot for almost a year.
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There are two Ford truck plants near my home Louisville KY. Many Thousands of trucks are sitting in several storage lots waiting for computer chips. When these trucks come on to the market, the 2022 model years will be rolling out. Expect deep discounts on the 2021 models.
There is 1,000 sitting 2 miles from my home.
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has a real frame that makes it safe.
Ok, I have to ask about that logic.
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You guys are thinking about this all wrong, hung up on towing capacity and 4WD and what not. The Maverick only LOOKS like a truck, but it's not a truck. It's a Ford Escape with an open bed, or basically a car with a truck-like bed. It's for suburbanites who hardly ever need a truck, don't tow a boat, but need to put 10 bags of mulch in the back for their weekend flower bed project. Or take their kids to hockey practice and want to throw two rank smelling hockey bags in the back, outside. Or bring home a new grill or lawnmower as a gift for father's day.
It's not a truck.
-AJ
Exactly my thoughts!
I would definitely consider it to replace my 02 Nissan Frontier XE; I never tow anything; I just use the bed for the occasional hauling of garden supplies, big screen TV, and have even rescued my son's 1976 Convert once without any issues.
I just don't understand the reason for crew cab/4-door configuration-only as offered on the new Maverick. For a family vehicle, I want only (and have) a 4-door sedan.
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So, it is more like the Ford Explorer Sport Track than the old Ranger design.
(https://i.ibb.co/Xsh8Nt6/2010-Ford-Explorer-Sport-Trac-Limited.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Xsh8Nt6)
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You guys are thinking about this all wrong, hung up on towing capacity and 4WD and what not. The Maverick only LOOKS like a truck, but it's not a truck. It's a Ford Escape with an open bed, or basically a car with a truck-like bed. It's for suburbanites who hardly ever need a truck, don't tow a boat, but need to put 10 bags of mulch in the back for their weekend flower bed project. Or take their kids to hockey practice and want to throw two rank smelling hockey bags in the back, outside. Or bring home a new grill or lawnmower as a gift for father's day.
It's not a truck.
-AJ
Really though, Ill go out on a limb and say that what? 90% of all pickups sold are used for those reasons? No its not going to tow a big camper, or boat. The good news is that they sell other trucks that do. A lot of people want a small truck for as you said.. trip to a garden center, or trips to the dump. They might not be hailing 2000lbs of stone, but a handfull of bags of mulch sure thing. You cant argue that trucks have gotten REAL big over the years. Even the small trucks are huge. Heck a new ranger is about the size of my 74 Dodge Powerwagon. Remember how many small trucks were around in the 70's, and 80's? The small imports, and the slightly bigger US models? There is still a need for them, as there was then. Small light duty trucks, that are easy to drive, park, big enough bed to hold a normal ammount of dirty cargo.. Good MPG, at a price that doesnt break the bank.. There is still a need, and I think a want for that kind of truck. Its not for everyone, or every need, but either were the old Datson, Toyota, Mazda trucks from the past.. I guess the numbers will tell the tale after it hits the market.
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You guys are thinking about this all wrong, hung up on towing capacity and 4WD and what not. The Maverick only LOOKS like a truck, but it's not a truck. It's a Ford Escape with an open bed, or basically a car with a truck-like bed. It's for suburbanites who hardly ever need a truck, don't tow a boat, but need to put 10 bags of mulch in the back for their weekend flower bed project. Or take their kids to hockey practice and want to throw two rank smelling hockey bags in the back, outside. Or bring home a new grill or lawnmower as a gift for father's day.
It's not a truck.
-AJ
Yes.
That is probably what the majority of truck owners need. They are not going to haul a load of gravel, or tow a camper. They just needs to haul a few bags of mulch a couple times a year, so 363 days out of the year that are driving more vehicle than they need. Me, I go to Home Depot or Lowes and rent a truck for $30 once a year.
Plus it may help Ford meet some CAFE average, so they can upsize the motors in the larger trucks. Like the PT Cruiser did for years ago. Most people don't know the the PT Cruiser was classified as a truck. If the PT Cruiser can be a truck, this is certainly a truck.
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I would find this truck useful for a number of reasons. If I need anything bigger, I'll hit up a friend or simply rent one for a day. Something that is not a gas hog is a good thing! Since I'm used to getting 36mpg with my car, I am not willing to take a big hit in that department for something I would not need everyday.
As for safety, since many unibody vehicles carry a 5 star crash safety rating, I have to take exception on a full frame vehicle being any safer than the more predominate vehicles on the road.
John Henry
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a36125131/2022-hyundai-santa-cruz-pickup-revealed/
How about one of these then?
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The myth that vehicles with frames are safer than those without was busted years ago.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_r5UJrxcck
Pete
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How any man who cleans their own bathroom, doesnt pee sitting down-- baffles me. I know this clearly places me in the minority. But again, I haven't pissed on my pants, shirttail, bathroom floor, shoe, or hand in 20+ years because of it. I get out all my macho standing to pee quota out in the yard or in public restrooms
A real man knows how to swing a mop on the bathroom floor
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eeeehhhhhhhhh.
If I were buying tomorrow I'd be looking at Mopar or GM for a NA motor. I don't want a turbo on my truck if I don't have to have it.
I mean don't get me wrong I've owned turbos and supercharged motors. Jenn's Defender motor is pretty damn impressive and all that. But for my simple needs, I'll take NA if I can get it.
Plus, in the past decade all of the NA motors I've owned/driven could meet or beat EPA numbers, while all the forced induction motors STRUGGLED to match EPA ratings (and this was borne out by consumer reports and the like, the EPA ratings even the revised methods have conditions that favor the forced induction motors, but the real world is still the real world).
So no Eco-Boost motors for me if I can avoid them thanks.
That said, when I was in Denver last month I rented a 2.0 turbo Wrangler Rubicon which was pretty damn impressive. I guess if I lived at altitude I wouldn't hesitate. But I don't.
When my old 1980 F250 was getting a little long in the tooth and my wife was pushing me to buy a new truck I went to the local Ford dealer to look at new F250's. My wife, being uber curious, asked the salesman if she could look at 250 to see what they look like. I rolled my eyes and went along. Crap.......when I stood next to that monster I new immediately that there was no reason for me to own anything that size. My old F250 was basically the same body as a F150 just with heavy duty everything.
So I went back to the drawing board and started looking a 150's. I told the salesman I did not want the Ecoboost V6 because I have had a 300 Straight 6 in the 250 and I wanted a V8. He shook his head and said "No you don't. Come on, lets take a ride". I decided to humor him and took the keys and went for a short ride. Holy crap......I was impressed immediately. Great acceleration. That motor was really nice. Now, mind you, my 1980 F250 had a 300CI straight six with a 5 speed straight drive and could not get out of it's own way if it needed to, so this was a world of difference. I was sold.
I have owned this 2013 F150 for 8 years and almost 90K miles and I have no regrets. It gets an average 19MPG between highway and local driving. I can get as much a 22MPG on long trips. The most I have hauled with it was my dad's Ford Escort. I hauled it from Northern Illinois to Columbia, SC and it didn't skip a beat using the Tow-Haul switch on the gear selector, it was flawless.
(http://www.ulterior-design.net/photos/Dads-car.jpg)
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When my old 1980 F250 was getting a little long in the tooth and my wife was pushing me to buy a new truck I went to the local Ford dealer to look at new F250's. My wife, being uber curious, asked the salesman if she could look at 250 to see what they look like. I rolled my eyes and went along. Crap.......when I stood next to that monster I new immediately that there was no reason for me to own anything that size. My old F250 was basically the same body as a F150 just with heavy duty everything.
So I went back to the drawing board and started looking a 150's. I told the salesman I did not want the Ecoboost V6 because I have had a 300 Straight 6 in the 250 and I wanted a V8. He shook his head and said "No you don't. Come on, lets take a ride". I decided to humor him and took the keys and went for a short ride. Holy crap......I was impressed immediately. Great acceleration. That motor was really nice. Now, mind you, my 1980 F250 had a 300CI straight six with a 5 speed straight drive and could not get out of it's own way if it needed to, so this was a world of difference. I was sold.
I have owned this 2013 F150 for 8 years and almost 90K miles and I have no regrets. It gets an average 19MPG between highway and local driving. I can get as much a 22MPG on long trips. The most I have hauled with it was my dad's Ford Escort. I hauled it from Northern Illinois to Columbia, SC and it didn't skip a beat using the Tow-Haul switch on the gear selector, it was flawless.
(http://www.ulterior-design.net/photos/Dads-car.jpg)
Thanks for this post SD as the F150 with the V6 definitely is in my radar👍
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When my old 1980 F250 was getting a little long in the tooth and my wife was pushing me to buy a new truck I went to the local Ford dealer to look at new F250's. My wife, being uber curious, asked the salesman if she could look at 250 to see what they look like. I rolled my eyes and went along. Crap.......when I stood next to that monster I new immediately that there was no reason for me to own anything that size. My old F250 was basically the same body as a F150 just with heavy duty everything.
So I went back to the drawing board and started looking a 150's. I told the salesman I did not want the Ecoboost V6 because I have had a 300 Straight 6 in the 250 and I wanted a V8. He shook his head and said "No you don't. Come on, lets take a ride". I decided to humor him and took the keys and went for a short ride. Holy crap......I was impressed immediately. Great acceleration. That motor was really nice. Now, mind you, my 1980 F250 had a 300CI straight six with a 5 speed straight drive and could not get out of it's own way if it needed to, so this was a world of difference. I was sold.
I have owned this 2013 F150 for 8 years and almost 90K miles and I have no regrets. It gets an average 19MPG between highway and local driving. I can get as much a 22MPG on long trips. The most I have hauled with it was my dad's Ford Escort. I hauled it from Northern Illinois to Columbia, SC and it didn't skip a beat using the Tow-Haul switch on the gear selector, it was flawless.
(http://www.ulterior-design.net/photos/Dads-car.jpg)
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I hear all that. I'm sure it's a great truck.
But FOR ME, I'll still take a smaller truck with a NA motor. The 300 hp Pentastar 3.6 is enough for me.
That said the wife's supercharged 400 hp Defender is fun at times.
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So I went back to the drawing board and started looking a 150's. I told the salesman I did not want the Ecoboost V6 because I have had a 300 Straight 6 in the 250 and I wanted a V8. He shook his head and said "No you don't. Come on, lets take a ride". I decided to humor him and took the keys and went for a short ride. Holy crap......I was impressed immediately. Great acceleration. That motor was really nice. Now, mind you, my 1980 F250 had a 300CI straight six with a 5 speed straight drive and could not get out of it's own way if it needed to, so this was a world of difference. I was sold.
(http://www.ulterior-design.net/photos/Dads-car.jpg)
That was my same impression, my older son bought a used 2018 F150 off a Ford dealership last year, I thought he should look for a V8, salesman took us out on the V6 Eco Boost, was I impressed! he bought the big 4 door 4X4 and he loves it, its a beautiful riding truck, all the bells and whistles but its just too big for my needs + I get to borrow his when I need something that can pull a big trailer.
Those turbo charged motors have some real snap, they make a V6 really jump. My 4 door sedan has a twin turbo V8 with an 8 speed auto and that thing will snap your head back on WOT.