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Re: What is the future for MG?
« Reply #90 on: April 20, 2021, 07:24:56 AM »
Only 250 hp?  Sigh.   If they could get to 270 then Iíd be interested. 
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Re: What is the future for MG?
« Reply #91 on: April 20, 2021, 07:33:07 AM »
I visited the local H-D dealer to check out the PanAm; I knew more about it than the salesman, and the manager had no idea when they would get one.
They had one of their electrics on the floor so I asked if I could sit on it. I'm long in the waist, about like your typical 6'3" guy.  On the bike I was stretched like this young lady - there was no way I would take that bike for a test ride.

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While waiting to have tires put on my Stornello rims a couple weeks ago, I drove over to my local Harley dealer and did the same. No Pan Americas yet, but he took my number. They also had one of the electrics on the showroom floor. Was a decent looking bike and F&F was impressive. I asked how many they sold, and all I got was a blank stare. They also had a few AMF color schemed Sportster 1200 Irons that caught my eye. Not bad for around $10K.

As I wandered the floor, I was shocked at the sales prices.... Many bikes were in the mid #30K range!
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Re: What is the future for MG?
« Reply #92 on: April 20, 2021, 07:42:21 AM »
The dealer experience has to change I've never met a sales person who knew even minimal history of the brand or any past models plus they never even stock basic maintenance items

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Re: What is the future for MG?
« Reply #93 on: April 20, 2021, 01:02:58 PM »
The dealer experience has to change I've never met a sales person who knew even minimal history of the brand or any past models plus they never even stock basic maintenance items
And worse than that, there are states now with no or maybe one minimal one like in my state, does not help the cause.

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Re: What is the future for MG?
« Reply #93 on: April 20, 2021, 01:02:58 PM »

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Re: What is the future for MG?
« Reply #94 on: April 20, 2021, 01:06:28 PM »
Has the dealer situation ever been good from a national stand point?
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Re: What is the future for MG?
« Reply #95 on: April 20, 2021, 01:21:35 PM »
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In the 40 plus years of ownership, nothing much changes.

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Re: What is the future for MG?
« Reply #96 on: April 20, 2021, 01:52:19 PM »
In the 40 plus years of ownership, nothing much changes.

Everybody say it is going broke, but it just soldiers on.
Yep, I think your take is right and the loyal owners club, as you are, is what has proped the brand up over the years. The folks on this forum makes this evident. 
This being the way it is, my original question is still Revelant. The company now has two motor platforms, small and smaller, is that substantial for any motorcycle company? I know it would put any of the other brands down in short order, I know HD and Honda would fall.

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Re: What is the future for MG?
« Reply #97 on: April 20, 2021, 02:17:42 PM »
The may Ď21 mgnoc newsletter has a very interesting article on the Guzzi small block. The article originally appeared in cycle world. I found it very informative.

Also an interesting press release from Piaggio about forming a consortium with KTM, Honda, and Yamaha to develop battery technology for bikes. Iím pretty excited about having the option as I get older to have an electric bike for runabout duty.

Electric will be a game changer for bikes IMO. Especially if theyíre direct drive, no shifting. And power? Just watch Tesla p100d drag races. Solid 10.5 quarter miles out of a family sedan.

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Re: What is the future for MG?
« Reply #98 on: April 20, 2021, 08:35:31 PM »
I was given a Zero as a loaner while my V7 was getting its first and last dealer service. I liked riding it. I liked it a lot. I would have one as a local bike but the price will have to come down, quite a bit btw.
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Re: What is the future for MG?
« Reply #99 on: April 20, 2021, 09:22:01 PM »
Yes, I guess we are really splitting hairs here.   
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Re: What is the future for MG?
« Reply #100 on: April 20, 2021, 10:03:46 PM »
Yep, I think your take is right and the loyal owners club, as you are, is what has proped the brand up over the years. The folks on this forum makes this evident. 
This being the way it is, my original question is still Revelant. The company now has two motor platforms, small and smaller, is that substantial for any motorcycle company? I know it would put any of the other brands down in short order, I know HD and Honda would fall.

It seems to work for Royal Enfield. IMHO, that's where Piaggio has now placed Moto Guzzi due to engine size and quirkiness (uniqueness). Except that Royal Enfield is one of the worlds largest motorcycle manufacturers where Moto Guzzi is one of the smallest. At this point though, Moto Guzzi is limited to the smaller end of the road bike spectrum. 

Earlier this week a colleague in Chicago said he's wanted a 750cc Moto Guzzi for years. He looked around at his 'local' dealer options and was not at all impressed. I suggested taking a ride over to Blue Ash, OH to Cadre Cycle. He said: "why, the local Royal Enfield dealerships are fine and supportive. I think I'll just go that route. Plus they'ye making great bikes now." No point to argue with those facts.
 

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Re: What is the future for MG?
« Reply #101 on: April 20, 2021, 11:00:31 PM »
I was talking to one of my forum Pals last night and after our conversation ended a question became apparent to me, what is the future of the moto Guzzi brand of motorcycle.
They no longer produce the newest line, 1400s, which was their future for touring  and cruiser bikes at the time of introduction. They no longer offer the ole work horse 1100 series, which was used in most all of the versions of riding needs and desires of Guzzi riders, so whatís left?
Personally for the kind of bikes I prefer being cruiser/ tourers, the future looks kind of bleak:(.
What say my fellow Guzzi enthusiast?

Since its introduction in 2009, the clear road ahead for Guzzi has been the V7 Classics and other small block offerings.

1100 Tonti ended a decade ago with the Calvin 90th Anniversary bike.

Tha CARC era ended with the Grist 8V SE.

The big block era ended with the Cal14.

Nothing followed those cancelations, except more new versions of small block bikes.

The future is chiseled in stone. 

Piaggio electric bikes with Guzzi badges will follow the small blocks.

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Re: What is the future for MG?
« Reply #102 on: April 20, 2021, 11:06:42 PM »
Since its introduction in 2009, the clear road ahead for Guzzi has been the V7 Classics and other small block offerings.



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Re: What is the future for MG?
« Reply #103 on: April 21, 2021, 05:59:55 AM »
I will be very surprised if MG comes out with an electric. MG has been known, at least lately, for a couple things that make them desirable - the transverse V-twin and their affordability. Electric throws out both of these. If anyone in the Piaggio stable gets electric, itíll be Aprilia for performance, or the scooters because it makes way more sense for scooters to be electric at this point. I just donít see MG going electric, at least not for a while yet. Besides, if they did, that move would be AHEAD of the competitionóhow often do we see that from the brand? Liquid-cooling just makes senseókeep the looks, maintain emissions standard, stay in business.

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Re: What is the future for MG?
« Reply #104 on: April 21, 2021, 08:01:29 AM »


Piaggio electric bikes with Guzzi badges will follow the small blocks.


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Re: What is the future for MG?
« Reply #105 on: April 21, 2021, 08:33:57 AM »
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Re: What is the future for MG?
« Reply #106 on: April 21, 2021, 09:32:13 AM »
Vespa already has two electric scooters.  The Elettrica.
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Re: What is the future for MG?
« Reply #107 on: April 21, 2021, 09:42:19 AM »
Vespa already has two electric scooters.  The Elettrica.

i want the big wheels and the concept bike's styling... plus a MG badge on it!
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Re: What is the future for MG?
« Reply #108 on: April 21, 2021, 02:52:39 PM »
 Can't come up with a name for an E Guzzi that matches PlugIndian , the best I have so far is MotoElectrica ,which is really weak .

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Re: What is the future for MG?
« Reply #109 on: April 21, 2021, 05:16:34 PM »
I still think a Guzzi could be electric; heads and cylinders are the motors, with a big bevel gear on the crankshaft, gearbox replaced with a battery bank. Then you have that hot torque monster!
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Re: What is the future for MG?
« Reply #110 on: April 21, 2021, 06:45:01 PM »
Since its introduction in 2009, the clear road ahead for Guzzi has been the V7 Classics and other small block offerings.

1100 Tonti ended a decade ago with the Calvin 90th Anniversary bike.

Tha CARC era ended with the Grist 8V SE.

The big block era ended with the Cal14.

Nothing followed those cancelations, except more new versions of small block bikes.

The future is chiseled in stone. 

Piaggio electric bikes with Guzzi badges will follow the small blocks.

"And that's the way it is, cause Stone Cold says so"
If your assessment comes to be, I simply canít see a very large percentage of this forums generation supporting future bike sales for the MG brand. I realize Iím just an individual and possibly not the majority, however Iíd be surprised to find out Iím the Minority in the subject. Unless, like Dusty and I agreed to that an 850 touring bike in either sport touring and/or cruiser style both dressed like a true touring bike should be in the future plans. And thatís not like my 1400 came as a so called Touring bike, which it was far from such.
Also let me clarify this. Iím not saying MG is going out of business or that Iím not going to own and ride a MG because I really love these bikes, just that I would probably not want to go out a buy one of the newer models 👍
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Re: What is the future for MG?
« Reply #111 on: April 21, 2021, 06:52:37 PM »
Know body here has any clue.
Time reveals what will be.
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Re: What is the future for MG?
« Reply #112 on: April 21, 2021, 06:57:49 PM »
I suppose I'm a old dinosaur, but I think MG hit their high mark with the Calvin 90th Anniversary bike. My Cali's were my favorite MGs and that one really struck me as "right" in so many ways. Still wish I could've afforded one back in the day. The EV with tubeless rims was pretty damned awesome as well.
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Re: What is the future for MG?
« Reply #113 on: April 21, 2021, 07:20:02 PM »
I suppose I'm a old dinosaur, but I think MG hit their high mark with the Calvin 90th Anniversary bike. My Cali's were my favorite MGs and that one really struck me as "right" in so many ways. Still wish I could've afforded one back in the day. The EV with tubeless rims was pretty damned awesome as well.
And thatís exactly where Iím at also, SC👍

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Re: What is the future for MG?
« Reply #114 on: April 22, 2021, 02:09:24 AM »
Emissions regulations are going to dictate more of all future motorbikes harder than anything else regardless of manufacturers plans unfortunately. This ludicrous push to end gasoline engines by 2025/2030/2035 etc stuff, is going to be a gigantic cluster in how it affects motorcycles as well and may well kill the industry as we know it.
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Re: What is the future for MG?
« Reply #115 on: April 22, 2021, 04:40:57 AM »
I suppose I'm a old dinosaur, but I think MG hit their high mark with the Calvin 90th Anniversary bike. My Cali's were my favorite MGs and that one really struck me as "right" in so many ways. Still wish I could've afforded one back in the day. The EV with tubeless rims was pretty damned awesome as well.

I couldn't agree more. I currently have 4 "older" Guzzi's and if I keep them up as I do will out last me. If my EV or Cali ever get too heavy for me to ride I'll just quit, toss in the towel and just go fishing on the bank.
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Re: What is the future for MG?
« Reply #116 on: April 22, 2021, 09:31:33 AM »
if the biggest bike Guzzi had in 2001 was an 850, I'd be riding a Triumph T-bird triple.
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Re: What is the future for MG?
« Reply #117 on: April 22, 2021, 10:24:37 AM »
Yes, bleak.

I was at a local event for the 100th Anniversary a couple of weekends ago (thanks Mario, good fun).

There were 100-ish bikes there. One V85 and a V7, I think. And a single. Every other bike was a big block. And very few riders looked under 50, if any.

You know what they say about languages when there are no longer any native speakers under about 5 years old? Yeah...we're some way past that stage...

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Re: What is the future for MG?
« Reply #118 on: April 22, 2021, 10:29:50 AM »
Yes, bleak.

I was at a local event for the 100th Anniversary a couple of weekends ago (thanks Mario, good fun).

There were 100-ish bikes there. One V85 and a V7, I think. And a single. Every other bike was a big block. And very few riders looked under 50, if any.

You know what they say about languages when there are no longer any native speakers under about 5 years old? Yeah...we're some way past that stage...

Maybe younger riders don't want to hang out with a bunch of old guys anyway.

Maybe the younger riders are riding V85s and V7s and not going to stupid "anniversary" celebrations they don't care about (yet).

Maybe those same younger riders will become older riders and go to the 125th or 150th anniversary celebrations because they will be old and boring then too?!?

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Re: What is the future for MG?
« Reply #119 on: April 22, 2021, 10:31:53 AM »
Different times - different cultures. This thread is quickly starting to look like old curmudgeons vs new owners.
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