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Quote from youcanrunnakled:My 8V does not have any fueling problems and only during the first 500 miles or so did I have a low-speed hesitation, but not since. The driveline snatchiness I do not consider a problem but then I may just be used to it, remember I came from a T-3. There is still some popping on overrun but I do not see that as a problem or a negative. The windscreen buttons could be better placed but I have learned to use them on the move with minimal inconvenience and mostly adjust it when stopped anyway. The 8V either eliminated or significantly improved most of the complaints of the older Norges. Since the Norge is not really a sport bike I do not see a need for a slipper clutch. The throttle response is smooth enough that riding in the rain or on dirt does not require a "mode". Cruise control would be a nice touch however.GliderJohn
I would have to agree with this as well. I have over 18000 k's on mine and never experienced pinging or fueling problems, apart from a stepper motor issue that is now resolved the bike is faultless. I can tell you that I have spent quite a bit of time on a friends fjr and in comparison to the 8v Norge it felt quite a lot heavier through the corners and to me lacked a bit of bottom end and mid range (which really surprised me) but had really good top end, which is really not that usefull in the canyans but is fun in the straight stuff
Can understand your impresion the FJR is heavier which might have been influenced by an old front tire or maybe it just felt heavier, who knows. But the last thing I'd say about my 09 FJR is that it "lacked a bit of bottom end and mid range." Well most spec's on the FJR show about 7 seconds from 0 to 100 MPH. For me that's performance in the low to mid range and I think its impressive. Personally I've not experienced its top end but it should be around 155 MPH or so. The FJR will fool you. It's so smooth and quiet (stock), and the slight lean forward positon hides the G forces of its awesome acceleration. After about 6000 RPM watch the speedo, you'll be in the triple digits in seconds. Don't misunderstand my comments. I'd love to have a new Norge, but I wouldn't expect it equal my FJR at bottom to mid range acceleration.Best wishes, Bill :pop
When I said it lacked a bit of bottom end and mid range performance I was not referring to speed in any way, I was referring to engine RPM ie the engines performance throughout its operating range. Of corse if you wanted to talk speed the FJR has a lot more horsepower up high in the RPM and it is obviously a lot faster
I think your butt dyno might need recalibration. Between the Norge and the FJR, the two bikes have nearly identical bottom-end torque figures:Norge 8V -- 60 ft / lb @2,200 rpmFJR 1300 -- 60 ft / lb @2,000 rpmAfter they pass that threshold, it's no contest. The FJR stomps the Norge:@ 2,700 rpm -- Norge = 61 ft / lb; FJR = 70 ft / lb@ 3,100 rpm -- Norge = 58 ft / lb; FJR = 74 ft / lb@ 3,500 rpm -- Norge = 56 ft / lb; FJR = 79 ft / lbCompared to the Norge, which has a significant flat spot in its torque curve just off 2,200 rpm, the FJR is a powerhouse. Even without the comparison, however, your "impression" of a "lack of bottom end and mid range performance" is simply false. The FJR has a huge swell of torque from 1,800 rpm all the way to 3,800 rpm, and then another surge of torque at 5,000 rpm.If you think 85 ft /lbs @ 5,200 rpm is a "weak" mid-range, what exactly are you riding?
Yes, Firesign Theater. On paper the bikes do not compare. I bought my Norge to tour though and Yamaha does not recommend the FJR be loaded with a tourpack and passenger. As far as dyno graphs they show full throttle response, who rides a touring bike like that?
I think there's a bit of a discrepancy here. As evidence....
I sat on a FJR 1300. Too tall for me. I did not have to ride it, it simply didn't fit.I did not want an inline 4, I wanted a twin. I do not want to ride a sewing machine, and I don't want to cruise at 100mph.A friend of mine from Church has a FJR 1300 and he has done a 1500 mile day on it. I don't think that would be possible on the Norge
I don't think that would be possible on the Norge
FJR have some things going for them in long distance riding, speed, decent distance mileage, ergos, reliability. If I had to drive across the country in a short period of time, the FJR would be my first choice. If I had to choose a back road all day riding machine, it wouldn't be the FJR.