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Details of the New Triumph Classics
« on: October 28, 2015, 05:18:17 PM »
Awesome.

A new 900 and 1200.

Bad to the bone.


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I already want one.  To heck with the $30k Norton.
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Re: Details of the New Triumph Classics
« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2015, 05:35:53 PM »
I didn't get a Ducati Sport Classic so I may need to buy the Thruxton R
I don't think I can handle clip ons and rearsets anymore so I may need to get it for my son ( wink wink)

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Re: Details of the New Triumph Classics
« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2015, 06:26:46 PM »
Interesting that there is a 2016 model year, 865cc Thruxton model in addition to the two new 2016 Thruxton 1200cc models (standard & R)
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Re: Details of the New Triumph Classics
« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2015, 07:00:03 PM »
I like the new Street Twin.  Wish they had posted prices.

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Re: Details of the New Triumph Classics
« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2015, 07:07:45 PM »
Looks good. I have a 2010 T100, it's a nice bike. MG needs to get it's new 850 V7II up to snuff.
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Re: Details of the New Triumph Classics
« Reply #5 on: October 28, 2015, 08:33:28 PM »
The one Triumph I have owned, 2012 Street Triple R was amazing.

When I went hunting for a more road worthy bike I wound up with the Eldorado.

Triumph is cool stuff if that is what you are after, and kudos to them for their modernization.

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Re: Details of the New Triumph Classics
« Reply #6 on: October 28, 2015, 08:34:45 PM »
Or not.  The V7 may end up in a class all by itself because of all of this.  It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

Yes, the bar has just been substantially moved from where it was before.


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Re: Details of the New Triumph Classics
« Reply #7 on: October 29, 2015, 01:14:28 AM »
it's nice to see they've joined the 20th century and added twin front brake discs to most of the lineup. The old thruxton with it's big engine and shit brakes was always a joke to me. This time they've actually thought about it at least a little bit.

I can see Guzzi finally water cooling their engines to keep up though, since triumph are their direct competitors and all


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Re: Details of the New Triumph Classics
« Reply #8 on: October 29, 2015, 05:51:22 AM »
They have been developing these bikes for five years and it shows in the details.

Has MG been developing anything for five years? I actually kinda hope so.
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Re: Details of the New Triumph Classics
« Reply #9 on: October 29, 2015, 06:42:17 AM »
Geez and I loved the '01 Bonneville when it came out, and was able to get one.  Now have an '08 T100 and an '06 Scrambler.  Their line-up for '16 is impressive.  It will be interesting how they price the new T120's and the Street Twin for this coming year.  Also be interesting to see if they continue to keep the 865 motored bikes beyond this coming year, I hope so, as that segment should continue to have a lot of followers.  If I didn't already have two Bonnevilles I might be interested in some of their new stuff.

Now if only Guzzi would make a new big engine standard modeled after a V7 Sport, T3 or 1000S - now there would be a bike to have - I know that topic has been talked to death already and nothing seems to be coming along those lines no matter how much old farts wish and hope for it.
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Re: Details of the New Triumph Classics
« Reply #10 on: October 29, 2015, 07:03:21 AM »
The R version of the new Thruxton is getting a lot of attention.

Several things stand out to me.

First these 1200's are posting 83 foot pounds of torque and an estimated 100 HP. A factory race kit is forthcoming in 2016 to boost it even more.

Also, and this is big, they feature a 270 degree crank that will give it a V-Twin lumpiness.  Handsome and fantastic-looking bike.  I'm interested to see the actual weight numbers.

I also like the rear-end treatment.  I've never been fond of the no-fender rear look but apparently Triumph is offering a kit to ditch the rear fender.

Notice the overhead view. In classic Triumph vertical twin fashion, they are wonderfully narrow, svelte.







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« Reply #11 on: October 29, 2015, 08:13:21 AM »
I am disappointed that they have moved from air cooled to all liquid cooled bikes.
I primarily bought my 2014 V7 last month because of its light weight, amazing looks, air cooled engine and overall balance.
These new bikes by triumph seem to be going with the trend of bigger-is-better. I like the V7 precisely because it is a simple motorcycle.
I'd rather drive a 50 hp bike at 70 mph than a 100 hp bike at 70 mph.
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Re: Details of the New Triumph Classics
« Reply #12 on: October 29, 2015, 08:30:48 AM »
I also prefer air cooled vs water cooled on a motorcycle but in order to meet the ever tightening regulations, they're all going to eventually be water cooled.  Triumph has done a nice job with integrating the radiator with the lines of the bike.
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Re: Details of the New Triumph Classics
« Reply #13 on: October 29, 2015, 08:42:14 AM »
I am shocked how much I keep coming back to this bike. It is the MOST I've ever been interested in a water-cooled bike (even more than the one I owned  :laugh:).


I am disappointed that they have moved from air cooled to all liquid cooled bikes.
I primarily bought my 2014 V7 last month because of its light weight, amazing looks, air cooled engine and overall balance.
These new bikes by triumph seem to be going with the trend of bigger-is-better. I like the V7 precisely because it is a simple motorcycle.
I'd rather drive a 50 hp bike at 70 mph than a 100 hp bike at 70 mph.
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I agree with everything you said, except that they simply had no choice to move from air-cooled to water-cooled. The new EU standards that they must meet in 2017 forced their hands.

Actually I'm REALLY curious what Harley and Guzzi are going to do.

Harley COULD in theory just sells Streets, Vrods, and Wet-Head Glides, but I don't think that's a smart strategy. They must have something else in the pipeline - well, maybe an expansion of the wet-heads to other lines.

And GUZZI, other than something weird like Ural or Enfield, they're the loan holdout without a single water-cooled bike in the lineup.

I would morn the loss of ALL air-cooled models, but seeing how well this was executed I MIGHT JUST BE READY to see a water-cooled model from Guzzi too.

Gonna be an interesting year or two in the bike market because of these regulations.

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Re: Details of the New Triumph Classics
« Reply #14 on: October 29, 2015, 08:54:40 AM »
Actually I'm REALLY curious what Harley and Guzzi are going to do.
The 1400 is already Euro4 Compliant (it has been the first motorcycle engine to comply with the Euro4 standard).

The new Small Block 850, whose images had been already shown, is still air cooled, and will be obviously Euro 4.

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« Reply #15 on: October 29, 2015, 08:55:09 AM »
I am shocked how much I keep coming back to this bike. It is the MOST I've ever been interested in a water-cooled bike (even more than the one I owned  :laugh:).

Actually I'm REALLY curious what Harley and Guzzi are going to do.

Harley COULD in theory just sells Streets, Vrods, and Wet-Head Glides, but I don't think that's a smart strategy. They must have something else in the pipeline - well, maybe an expansion of the wet-heads to other lines.

And GUZZI, other than something weird like Ural or Enfield, they're the loan holdout without a single water-cooled bike in the lineup.

I would morn the loss of ALL air-cooled models, but seeing how well this was executed I MIGHT JUST BE READY to see a water-cooled model from Guzzi too.

Gonna be an interesting year or two in the bike market because of these regulations.

I do not expect H-D to do anything more drastic than their current hybrid water-cooled heads.  Distinguishing them from the standard non-water-cooled H-D takes a very keen eye. They may try to incorporate a minimal, oil-cooler sized radiator for the bikes without the big fairing of the WaterGlides.

Guzzi, who knows.  They're coming out with this new small-block motor.  I have hopes for it but I am suspecting a performance level maybe on par with the now-obsolete past-generation Triumphs - IF WE ARE LUCKY! lol

I do expect a water-cooled big-block Guzzi in the next few years.

As with any of these things, Triumph included (even though they have a relatively good track record), I am very cautious about buying a first-year new-design bike.

This new Trumpet really interests me.

It's very well done.  Notice how you can see daylight behind the motor. 


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Re: Details of the New Triumph Classics
« Reply #16 on: October 29, 2015, 08:58:54 AM »
The 1400 is already Euro4 Compliant (it has been the first motorcycle engine to comply with the Euro4 standard).

The new Small Block 850, whose images had been already shown, is still air cooled, and will be obviously Euro 4.

So those two models are good till when 2020? (Is that the next phase)?

And we can assume the rest of the line can be brought into compliance for 2017-19 in similar fashion?



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Re: Details of the New Triumph Classics
« Reply #17 on: October 29, 2015, 09:00:28 AM »
I do not expect H-D to do anything more drastic than their current hybrid water-cooled heads.  Distinguishing them from the standard non-water-cooled H-D takes a very keen eye. They may try to incorporate a minimal, oil-cooler sized radiator for the bikes without the big fairing of the WaterGlides.

Guzzi, who knows.  They're coming out with this new small-block motor.  I have hopes for it but I am suspecting a performance level maybe on par with the now-obsolete past-generation Triumphs - IF WE ARE LUCKY! lol

I do expect a water-cooled big-block Guzzi in the next few years.

As with any of these things, Triumph included (even though they have a relatively good track record), I am very cautious about buying a first-year new-design bike.



Yeah that all makes sense.


This new Trumpet really interests me.

It's very well done.  Notice how you can see daylight behind the motor. 


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I noticed that. The absolute clean look of these bikes from the side is one of the things that has caught my eye.
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« Reply #18 on: October 29, 2015, 09:05:33 AM »
 Hmm , wondering how a Pacifico Aerofoil would look on the new Thruxton ?

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« Reply #19 on: October 29, 2015, 09:32:20 AM »
Stunningly beautiful bikes! A real game-changer! :thumb:
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« Reply #20 on: October 29, 2015, 09:38:59 AM »
Hmm , wondering how a Pacifico Aerofoil would look on the new Thruxton ?

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Re: Details of the New Triumph Classics
« Reply #21 on: October 29, 2015, 09:40:45 AM »
The R version of the new Thruxton is getting a lot of attention.

Several things stand out to me.

First these 1200's are posting 83 foot pounds of torque and an estimated 100 HP. A factory race kit is forthcoming in 2016 to boost it even more.

Also, and this is big, they feature a 270 degree crank that will give it a V-Twin lumpiness.  Handsome and fantastic-looking bike.  I'm interested to see the actual weight numbers.

I also like the rear-end treatment.  I've never been fond of the no-fender rear look but apparently Triumph is offering a kit to ditch the rear fender.

Notice the overhead view. In classic Triumph vertical twin fashion, they are wonderfully narrow, svelte.






That is a good looking bike.


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Re: Details of the New Triumph Classics
« Reply #22 on: October 29, 2015, 09:53:20 AM »
So those two models are good till when 2020? (Is that the next phase)?

And we can assume the rest of the line can be brought into compliance for 2017-19 in similar fashion?
2021 for the bikes (2020 only for 50cc).
I don't know for the 750 and 1200. It's possible they will be homologated Euro4 next year (existing models can be still sold in 2016), or that, from 2017, all the Guzzi lineup (or at least the air-cooled lineup) will be composed of 850 and 1400.

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« Reply #23 on: October 29, 2015, 09:55:56 AM »
2021 for the bikes (2020 only for 50cc).
I don't know for the 750 and 1200. It's possible they will be homologated Euro4 next year (existing models can be still sold in 2016), or that, from 2017, all the Guzzi lineup (or at least the air-cooled lineup) will be composed of 850 and 1400.

It will be an interesting year or two...
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Re: Details of the New Triumph Classics
« Reply #24 on: October 29, 2015, 10:35:15 AM »
The 1400 is already Euro4 Compliant (it has been the first motorcycle engine to comply with the Euro4 standard).

The new Small Block 850, whose images had been already shown, is still air cooled, and will be obviously Euro 4.

Motorcycles must comply with Euro 5 in 2017.

Category and yearEuro level    Carbon monoxide (CO)    Total hydro-carbons (THC)    Nitrogen oxides (NOx)    Particulate matter (PM)    Non-methane hydro-carbon (NMHC)
Motorcycle 2014    Euro 4    1970    250    170    -    -
Motorcycle 2017      Euro 5    1140    170    90    -    -
Motorcycle 2020    Euro 6    1000    100    60    4.51    68
Moped 2014     Euro 3    1000     12002   --    -
Moped 2017    Euro 4    1000    630     170-    -
Moped 2020     Euro 5    1000    100    60    4.51    68

I'll bet those new Triumphs are Euro 5 compliant, or can be made so with minor changes.

So, the real question is, can the 1400, or any other Guzzi be easily made Euro 5 compliant.    We'll see.  If they do go water cooled, I hope they do as nice a job as Triumph have.

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Re: Details of the New Triumph Classics
« Reply #25 on: October 29, 2015, 10:38:26 AM »
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That is a good looking bike.

Agreed, Dean.

(Sacrilege from elders in the Church of Guzzi.. )

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Re: Details of the New Triumph Classics
« Reply #26 on: October 29, 2015, 11:06:54 AM »
I, too, am in love with the new Thruxton R. It is incredibly good looking. It is better looking and undoubtedly better performing than the Norton Commando that I have wanted, for significantly less money.
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Re: Details of the New Triumph Classics
« Reply #27 on: October 29, 2015, 11:27:56 AM »
Motorcycles must comply with Euro 5 in 2017.
Sorry.

The 1400 is already Euro5 ready (it has been announced to be Euro5 ready when it was presented in 2013, and obviously the bagger version that is to be presented soon, and whose prototypes had been caught around testing, will be Euro5).

The new Small Block 850, whose images had been already shown, is still air cooled, and will be obviously Euro5 (They will not present an engine they can't sell).

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« Reply #28 on: October 29, 2015, 11:37:57 AM »
I, too, am in love with the new Thruxton R. It is incredibly good looking. It is better looking and undoubtedly better performing than the Norton Commando that I have wanted, for significantly less money.
Mah...

To me the Commando aestetically still has more than an edge.




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Re: Details of the New Triumph Classics
« Reply #29 on: October 29, 2015, 11:44:15 AM »
I am not really enamored with water cooled bikes being dressed with fins.  Sorta what the Japanese bikes did with their V twin/ Harley clones. 

I am quite sure these bikes are great performers, I am just not into the "dolled up" approach.  It's hard to make a water cooled engine look pretty.
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